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Early Morning Swim

By: Blue Texan Friday February 20, 2009 4:59 am

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  • Partying like its 1939.
  • Not good.
  • A trillion-dollar key.
  • But…but…tax increases just make things worse.
  • Some advice for 44  from 42.
  • Coates’ advice for Steele.
  • Uh, GOP? It’s the message, not the medium.
  • The Post’s ‘apology.‘
  • Amplifying the echo chamber.

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51 Responses to “Early Morning Swim”

solai February 20th, 2009 at 5:05 am
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FWIW, I agree with Clinton. Obama’s talking to us like adults, laying out the perils we face. I get it. That’s what we said we wanted. Now, I say, fuck that. O gives a speech, I feel like committing suicide. Give us back some hope.

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solai February 20th, 2009 at 5:06 am
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Now, I must leave and go earn my paycheck.

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Elliott February 20th, 2009 at 5:19 am
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I wish more people would listen to Turley

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foothillsmike February 20th, 2009 at 5:23 am
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Good morning all,
Noon today will be Obama’s one month anniversary. It has been a busy time in Dee Cee

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 5:24 am
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Glenzilla is goning to be on democracynow in a couple of minutes. With Jane Mayer. Talking about a1 Maari.

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foothillsmike February 20th, 2009 at 5:28 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 5

It is 6:30 here and democracy now doesn’t come on until 9

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SouthernDragon February 20th, 2009 at 5:29 am
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Mornin’, BT, pups

From CNN.com

Bank of America’s CEO is subpoenaed

Bank of America CEO and Chairman Kenneth Lewis has been issued a subpoena by the New York State Attorney General’s Office, which is investigating whether the bank violated state law by withholding information from investors, a source familiar with the investigation told CNN.

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SouthernDragon February 20th, 2009 at 5:29 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 7

CNN.com

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Elliott February 20th, 2009 at 5:30 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 7

o.O

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 5:31 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 6

It’s webcasting at democracynow.org.

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foothillsmike February 20th, 2009 at 5:37 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 10

Thanks,

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Jkat February 20th, 2009 at 5:38 am
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ummm.. if obama wants the blogosphere to be his echo chamber .. he’s going to have to stop doing things which go “splat!!” … FISA .. state secrets .. karl rove delay …

no echoes there …

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 5:39 am
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Jane Mayer sez that she thinks O is siding with W in torture cases so as not to raise politically devisive issues. If that’s accurate, he’s a moral pigmy.

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 5:39 am
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No offense to pigmies.

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foothillsmike February 20th, 2009 at 5:39 am
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Hotline on C-span saying that Kennedy maybe to ill to return to senate.

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 5:43 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 15

Oh dear, that’s so sad.

What’s the replacement situation? Another gov appointment?

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selise February 20th, 2009 at 5:44 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 13

i have been wondering if it’s not also to protect dems – and not just those who went along with bushco.

A Challenge for Joe Conason and for Us

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SouthernDragon February 20th, 2009 at 5:44 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 15

Quite the end to a dynasty in govt.

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acquarius74 February 20th, 2009 at 5:45 am
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DIGG IS OPEN

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foothillsmike February 20th, 2009 at 5:45 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 16

Yes, they said that the kennedys have been trying to set the stage for kennedy’s wife to succeed him

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Elliott February 20th, 2009 at 5:47 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 20

here’s the article

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SouthernDragon February 20th, 2009 at 5:47 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 20

That sounds more like something to get the reichwingnuts all fired up. I doubt seriously she’d be willing to go that route.

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NCDem February 20th, 2009 at 5:48 am
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The New Times article listed above under “The Trillion Dollar Key” offers some numbers on the “shadow banking system” that gives the best explanation I have seen on our credit crunch. It also explains why the credit crunch was first experienced in late summer and fall of 2007 but did not blow up until 2008.

The market for new securities backed by mortgages and other types of loans has collapsed. Last year, investors bought $313.9 billion of these securities, down from $1.6 trillion in 2007 and $2.1 trillion in 2006, according to Dealogic.

The article indicates that Geither and the Fed are choosing to deal with the problems currently on the table and avoiding the problem with “securitization” of loans where the large banks can move them off their books quickly with maximum profit but little transparency down the line as these bundled products are sold and then resold.

Our economy will not improve until we decide to attack the underlying problem. Obama and Geither must move quickly to determine what large banks are basically insolvent and take them over. Yes, nationalize. Then once under control, they need to be broken into a hundred smaller pieces and sold to smaller and mid sized banks that are then regulated by a government that understands that unless there is transparency and a proven method for “valuing” the asset, it can not be sold. No more bundling. No more rapid expansion of banks by turning a quick profit at our nation’s expense. If a bank refuses to move quickly in this direction and continues to look at quick profit versus consistent slower growth, the regulators need to shut them down.

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foothillsmike February 20th, 2009 at 5:49 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 22

The Hotline reporter said that she is a good attorney and very active politically.

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Bilbo February 20th, 2009 at 5:49 am
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Good morning folks. So, Obama is sending 17,000 additional soldiers to Afghanistan while at the same time the Kyrgyz parliament OKs closing air base that’s crucial to U.S. Can you say Dien Bien Phu? See, I knew you could.

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 5:49 am
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In response to selise @ 17

On KO (or Rachel, I forget which) last night someone mentioned that Nancy isn’t going after the lies that led to the Iraq War for that reason, but, according to that person, torture and illegal wiretapping are on her table. And that she is in opposition to O on those issues, so protecting the Ds is not the reason for O doing what he’s doing.

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SouthernDragon February 20th, 2009 at 5:50 am
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In response to Elliott @ 21

From the article

Should Kennedy be unable to finish out his senate term, which ends in 2012, a special election must be held within 145 to 160 days of the seat becoming vacant.

No appointments in MA I guess.

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SouthernDragon February 20th, 2009 at 5:52 am
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In response to Bilbo @ 25

Kinda hard to cover Afghanistan with artillery man-hauled up mountains.

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 5:53 am
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In response to Elliott @ 21

Here’s Vicky’s wiki.

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Bilbo February 20th, 2009 at 5:54 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 28

OK, metaphor’s a bit loose. From the reading I’ve done, the base closing will create significant supply line problems for the U.S. in Afghanistan.

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selise February 20th, 2009 at 5:55 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 26

thanks. i think being lied into an illegal war was what clinton did wrt kosovo. would like to see that and torture investigated in a nonpartisan way.

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 5:55 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 28

There was a brief mention, about a month ago, of U.S. trying to get supplies into Afghanistan thru Iran. Heh. That route is over desert I think.

Short version of U.S. foreign policy: enemies become friends and friends become enemies.

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SouthernDragon February 20th, 2009 at 5:56 am
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In response to Bilbo @ 30

It certainly will. I can foresee negotiations with Pakistan to open a base there or have joint use of a Pakistani airbase, although that would prove to be problematic with the locals.

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 5:57 am
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In response to selise @ 31

Most U.S. wars are started thru lies. The only diff with W is the elaborate way they did it, and how widely it was reported not too long after the fact.

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SouthernDragon February 20th, 2009 at 5:59 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 33

Meant to add that would be in addition to the access we already have.

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demi February 20th, 2009 at 5:59 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 34

I’m thinking about starting a war against lies.

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selise February 20th, 2009 at 6:00 am
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In response to NCDem @ 23

couple of things re nationalization – number one is: the stockholders are SOL and the bondholder must take a deep loss. otherwise nationalization is just code for the taxpayer taking on the debt to protect the bondholders. beware greenspan.

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Elliott February 20th, 2009 at 6:00 am
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In response to demi @ 36

hope you win!

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 6:00 am
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In response to demi @ 36

Sisyphus?

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demi February 20th, 2009 at 6:02 am
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In response to Elliott @ 38

Yessee.
Actually, I think folks like some firepups are already engaged in that fight. Must. Keep. It. Up.

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Bilbo February 20th, 2009 at 6:02 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 35

Anyhow, Juan Cole writes about the closing on Informed Comment this morning, citing the McClatchy story

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Elliott February 20th, 2009 at 6:03 am
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Christy’s got
Things That Make You Go Hmmmmm. . .

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demi February 20th, 2009 at 6:03 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 39

Maybe a smaller boulder.
Rolling pebbles.
Rolling flowers.
Dunno.

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Bilbo February 20th, 2009 at 6:04 am
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In response to selise @ 37

couple of things re nationalization – number one is: the stockholders are SOL and the bondholder must take a deep loss.

The thing I’ve been worrying about: What percentage of the “bondholders” are actually retirement and pension funds?

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 6:05 am
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R on WJ complaining about Rs’s insensitivity. What took him so long to figure it out?

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eCAHNomics February 20th, 2009 at 6:06 am
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In response to Bilbo @ 44

The ownership society.

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selise February 20th, 2009 at 6:10 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 34

i don’t disagree with the history of lies (although i think bush 43 was spectacularly bad at it) – but kosovo had other parallels to iraq, for example in the refusal to go through the un security council because any resolution would have been vetoed. it was the explicit rejection of bush 41’s appeal to international law for gulf war 1 (of course we were lied to there as well) that was supposed to be the new world order (rule of law that even the us followed). i don’t know of any accusation we’ve made against bush 43 re iraq for which there is evidence that clinton did similar re kosovo.

part of my point, that i tried to express in that diary, is that if we call for accountability re bushco without including the clinton administration then we are proving the claim made by conason and others that what we are after is partisan revenge and not accountability

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selise February 20th, 2009 at 6:15 am
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In response to Bilbo @ 44

and foreign central bankers, and other politicly powerful interests.

answer: we don’t know.

which brings me to my number 2: i think nationalization has got to be done with some amount of international coordination to manage the risks. one of those risks is what do the bond holders do re global capital markets.

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SouthernDragon February 20th, 2009 at 6:21 am
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In response to selise @ 48

My understanding is that if a bank is nationalized the share and bond holders are wiped out. I can see the taxpayers helping out pension plans like TIAA-CREF who lose a bunch of dust but private holders, tough shit.

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selise February 20th, 2009 at 6:25 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 49

depends on how it’s done.

i’m pretty sure when greenspan says “nationalization” he means the us taxpayer taking on all or most of the bond debt. and fwiw, i am very very serious about this warning.

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acquarius74 February 20th, 2009 at 6:26 am
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In response to selise @ 17

That was an excellent diary at our link, Selise. I had missed it. Discussion there by the Lake’s finest also contributed much to further understanding of America’s entry into the rendition and torture business.

For all who missed Selise’s diary, it is a very important read. Click her link at # 17.

As I read there the thought kept coming to me that the 9/11 attacks probably had their seed in those rendition/torture policies of the 1990’s or earlier.

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