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	<title>Comments on: The G7 and Geithner Refuse to Take the Financial Bull by the Horns</title>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IMHO he’s more trying to avoid a run on the banks than he is trying to protect the shareholders.  The shareholders are toast anyway.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO he’s more trying to avoid a run on the banks than he is trying to protect the shareholders.  The shareholders are toast anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: CanuckStuckinMuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>CanuckStuckinMuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since  you’re here now, Ian, mind answering a q from a fellow C.a.n.u.c.k.?&lt;br /&gt;
I’m probably repeating fifty comments, but I, like you, just arrived. Forgive me. Question: Is Geithner trying to minimize the shareholder losses that would accrue if he announced, ahead of time, that he’s ready to “nationalize” banks? I’m enough of a rube that I can’t see all the possibilities at a time like this (useless chess player, too). So?&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks. OH, and could you please post the url to the last set of fearless predictions you made about where things will head if such and such isn’t done? I’m sure your othe fearful readers would appreciate it, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since  you’re here now, Ian, mind answering a q from a fellow C.a.n.u.c.k.?<br />
I’m probably repeating fifty comments, but I, like you, just arrived. Forgive me. Question: Is Geithner trying to minimize the shareholder losses that would accrue if he announced, ahead of time, that he’s ready to “nationalize” banks? I’m enough of a rube that I can’t see all the possibilities at a time like this (useless chess player, too). So?<br />
Thanks. OH, and could you please post the url to the last set of fearless predictions you made about where things will head if such and such isn’t done? I’m sure your othe fearful readers would appreciate it, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lol, there’s plenty of BS though&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(sorry for the late responses, couldn’t be here for when this was live)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, there’s plenty of BS though</p>
<p>(sorry for the late responses, couldn’t be here for when this was live)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t mind fractional reserve banking, so long as it’s done right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t mind fractional reserve banking, so long as it’s done right.</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
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		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s an interesting comment:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Sex and corrupt politics in DC is nothing new. For example, during the Civil War there were 450 brothels in the capital. Part of the mythology of Washington, however, is what might be called the Jim Lehrer Illusion, which is to say that all people in DC do is sit around and rationally debate policy alternatives. In fact, Washington politics is also heavily driven by cowardice, bribery, blackmail, deceit, fear, loyalty to old buddies and even older bodies, cooptation, sex, and just plain crime. Journalists who pretend otherwise either don’t understand what is going on or are covering for someone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The public often misunderstands the importance of Washington scandals, assuming them to be a simple dalliance, individual failing, or private offense. What makes both sex and crime in DC different, at least when those in power are involved, is that there is far more opportunity for blackmail and far more skill at covering things up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The blackmail may be used by members of one branch of government against those of another, by lobbyists against members of Congress, by the police against whomever they wish, and by foreign powers. For example, one way to keep a congress member bought is for a lobbyist to provide him with high class prostitutes. And it is noteworthy that both the Israelis and Boris Yeltsin apparently knew about Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky before the American public did.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s an interesting comment:</p>
<p>“Sex and corrupt politics in DC is nothing new. For example, during the Civil War there were 450 brothels in the capital. Part of the mythology of Washington, however, is what might be called the Jim Lehrer Illusion, which is to say that all people in DC do is sit around and rationally debate policy alternatives. In fact, Washington politics is also heavily driven by cowardice, bribery, blackmail, deceit, fear, loyalty to old buddies and even older bodies, cooptation, sex, and just plain crime. Journalists who pretend otherwise either don’t understand what is going on or are covering for someone.</p>
<p>The public often misunderstands the importance of Washington scandals, assuming them to be a simple dalliance, individual failing, or private offense. What makes both sex and crime in DC different, at least when those in power are involved, is that there is far more opportunity for blackmail and far more skill at covering things up.</p>
<p>The blackmail may be used by members of one branch of government against those of another, by lobbyists against members of Congress, by the police against whomever they wish, and by foreign powers. For example, one way to keep a congress member bought is for a lobbyist to provide him with high class prostitutes. And it is noteworthy that both the Israelis and Boris Yeltsin apparently knew about Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky before the American public did.”</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that the G7 meeting shows that the rest of the industrialized world is as clueless as Obama and his economic team about how to address the spin toward depression.  We are certainly not exercising any leadership and they aren’t either.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for stress tests, they are a sham.  We have known since August 9, 2007 when the housing bubble burst that the banks were insolvent.  That was 18 months ago, and the answer of our elites to this is to remain in denial about it.  What Geithner is talking about is making the Titanic seaworthy again after it broke in two and is sitting on the ocean floor.  Good luck with that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the G7 meeting shows that the rest of the industrialized world is as clueless as Obama and his economic team about how to address the spin toward depression.  We are certainly not exercising any leadership and they aren’t either.  </p>
<p>As for stress tests, they are a sham.  We have known since August 9, 2007 when the housing bubble burst that the banks were insolvent.  That was 18 months ago, and the answer of our elites to this is to remain in denial about it.  What Geithner is talking about is making the Titanic seaworthy again after it broke in two and is sitting on the ocean floor.  Good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;US Savings Bonds (Bombs)?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, our principle (snort!) ‘manufacturing’ capacity (given ‘off-shoring’ and the ‘new’ economy) does appear to be centered around war material … &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which suggests a certain ’symmetry’ in recognizing and ‘investing’ in same.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to whether it is a wise, long-term investment ’strategy’ for the little people remains, obviously, ‘debatable’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to whether such ‘policy’, as the larger national ‘direction’, is proof against future ‘riskiness’ or massive ‘disappointment’ (what other ’serious’ consequence could befall God’s Chosen People?), only time (and the consciences (?) of ‘Those Who Must Be Obeyed’) will tell.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally, my ‘investments’ such as they are, are in people, the environment and the audacious hope that we shall muddle through sufficiently well to actually have a future for my children.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know, that is selfish in the extreme.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, may I claim to be an honest victim of Human Nature and leave it at that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;~D&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US Savings Bonds (Bombs)?</p>
<p>Well, our principle (snort!) ‘manufacturing’ capacity (given ‘off-shoring’ and the ‘new’ economy) does appear to be centered around war material … </p>
<p>Which suggests a certain ’symmetry’ in recognizing and ‘investing’ in same.</p>
<p>As to whether it is a wise, long-term investment ’strategy’ for the little people remains, obviously, ‘debatable’.</p>
<p>As to whether such ‘policy’, as the larger national ‘direction’, is proof against future ‘riskiness’ or massive ‘disappointment’ (what other ’serious’ consequence could befall God’s Chosen People?), only time (and the consciences (?) of ‘Those Who Must Be Obeyed’) will tell.</p>
<p>Personally, my ‘investments’ such as they are, are in people, the environment and the audacious hope that we shall muddle through sufficiently well to actually have a future for my children.</p>
<p>I know, that is selfish in the extreme.</p>
<p>So, may I claim to be an honest victim of Human Nature and leave it at that?</p>
<p>;~D</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;abdicating is not the best approach&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Agreed&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>abdicating is not the best approach</p>
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<p>Agreed</p>
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		<title>By: McMia</title>
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		<dc:creator>McMia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the Great Depression the country suffered years of hand wringing and ineffective policy before it elected FDR, who was willing to do what it took and had a Congress in which both parties were begging him to do so.  I hope we aren’t going to have to wait that long this time for those in power to take the bull by the horns and start putting the country and ordinary citizens first.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So then, would that make Obama Hoover?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if Obama is Hoover, who will the next FDR be?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe the Plumber?…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In the Great Depression the country suffered years of hand wringing and ineffective policy before it elected FDR, who was willing to do what it took and had a Congress in which both parties were begging him to do so.  I hope we aren’t going to have to wait that long this time for those in power to take the bull by the horns and start putting the country and ordinary citizens first.</p>
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<p>So then, would that make Obama Hoover?</p>
<p>And if Obama is Hoover, who will the next FDR be?</p>
<p>Joe the Plumber?…</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
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		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes it is investing in the US government and it does bad things.  Couldn’t agree with you more on that. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Admittedly it’s hard to invest ethically, but it can be done and abdicating is not the best approach.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is investing in the US government and it does bad things.  Couldn’t agree with you more on that. </p>
<p>Admittedly it’s hard to invest ethically, but it can be done and abdicating is not the best approach.</p>
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