Teddy!

Teddy, they can’t possibly make a 51st state. What would that do to the flag? 3 rows of 17 stars each? This would NEVER work!

But, dude, please — let us have Humboldt, won’t you?

Teddy, I may be an idiot but I think they need to keep Humboldt County in the “Innie Cali” state. Cuz I think they must be smoking the finest kine sh*t to think they would have enough money from the farms to do a damn thing much less pay off the debt.

They even elected a governor in a non-binding vote. But the effort came to a halt after the start of World War II, though there are still signs at the Siskiyou County line welcoming travelers to the “State of Jefferson.”

OK, that is very funny!
And yeah, we’re keeping the ‘boldt.

Hey Teddy… Dugg right here.

ecotopia will secede!

gotta leave humboldt in coastal ca – the only farming done up there is not the kinda farming the rubes would wanna acknowledge. of course, if they license and tax production of the (sorta illegal) leafy green vegetative matter, they could pay off the debt – maybe that is their plan teddy

Hiya Betsy!

BTW the car czar is dead. Instead the bailout of the American auto industry will be overseen by Geithner and Summers. This is not an improvement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02…..=1&hp

Okay, but they don’t get to watch any of our movies or get gay-married.

Thanks for the Digg, newtie

Teddy! I guess they would have all the food, but y’all would have all the money, industry, and jobs. I suspect that they actually have higher welfare rates (like most rural areas) as well. I say go for it.

On the brighter side, two Californias would allow the enlightened coastal counties to throw off the chains of Prop 8….

If we kept the ‘boldt, make their product legal, and tax it — we could call ourselves Mellow California.

oh, i like that – hell, i would maybe even think about moving back

With the current economy, it would probably be their only source of serious cash.

You bet, Teddy.
Now if neuro or nahant don’t come along and traipse all over the thing…

And Mellofornia ain’t bad, either.

I’m pretty sure Barbara Boxer and her husband have moved to Palm Springs. I bet she can’t get elected from there, and I doubt DiFi could get elected from Western California.

So we’d have four new Senators — two very liberal (Gavin and Antonio?) and two very wingnut (Dan Lungren and Darrell Issa?)

dugg

Yeah, that’s kinda what I was thinkin’ above. The only area with heavy industry would be San Diego and it would not take long for the good folks of San Diego to get tired of caring the financial load for the rest of the proposed state.

caring = carrying

North and South split was tried and gravity brought it back gown to Earth.

Actually the typical way of dividing the State was on a North-South gradient. The major issue was water, the environment and urbanization. It’s also interesting that these people really aren’t splitting the State so that all the Democratic Party “blue” counties are forming their own State. They are siphoning off enough of the “coastal” counties so that it would be just enough to lord over the remaining counties they accept. It’s pretty clear that this is a gerrymandering approach to gain more Republican Congressmen, They’d split Yolo, Solano, Sacramento, Mendocino, Humboldt, Napa and Marin up in ways to make sure that every district would have a majority of Republicans.

Wouldn’t surprise me if this was put out by the same people that forwarded the “proportionate vote” for Presidential Electors Initiative.

Digg it up, folks!

it would be so worth splitting the state – just to get rid of difi

On the NPR station or stations in those counties, they always say they’re broadcasting from the State of Jefferson.

Oh, I think those Proportional Electors folks are too smart to hang with this crew.

Who is backing the downsize California plan? Giant Agribiz would be the group that would be most angered and affected by the imposition of some humane treatment for farm animals.

OTOH, the secessionist movement seems so radical, foolhardy and destined to fail that one would think that Giant Agribiz leaders would have more sense than to attempt such an endeavor.

Two points:

1) This is big business we are talking about and we have ample evidence that they aren’t the sharpest tacks in the box;
2) It could also just be a ploy to stir up the rubes and get the legislation overturned.

I kind of favor number 2, but 1 is also a strong contrender.

How willing do you think the OC is to go along into Rural California?

you know that some of us are not Californians, right?

i think it would depend on if rural california let brown people vote or not

And there is this in these times of budget trimming. The Pentagon had an automatic cost overrun circuitbreaker go into effect in a $11.2 billion program to buy 28 helicopters to transport the President. Why this many helicopters and why this expensive? Because this was another gold-plated Pentagon procurement disaster.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02…..opper.html

To put this in perspective the original Detroit bailout from the TARP was $13.4 billion. So the Pentagon wanted to spend about as much on these aerial limousines as what was spent to keep the whole American auto industry afloat until some kind of long term deal could be worked out.

But that would mean they also get to drive.

Why don’t we divide ALL the blue states into three or four new states, giving the Dems a super-duper mega majority. Being incompetent they’d still have trouble getting any legislation passed but it would be worth it just to watch the goopers reaction.

Easy! Stars on a narrow band on the left side of the flag, stripes on the right. See?

Sonoma and Mendo Counties belong in this state too!

Yes, but California is the center of America’s entertainment universe. Just because all the fruits and nuts roll this way doesn’t mean all the ideas don’t flow back towards the rest of America.

Including, apparently, the idea that a very small minority can cause a giant economy to grind completely to a halt:

California legislators trudged through a second day of trying to close a $40-billion hole in the state’s budget this afternoon, still one Republican vote short of approving a package that contains $14.3 billion in tax increases.

State Sen. Abel Maldonado, a moderate Republican from Santa Maria, indicated in an interview with The Bee that he was willing to consider casting the decisive vote if he was satisfied with the final version of the tax proposal.

California’s GOP legislators don’t have the moderation of Spectre, Collins, and Snowe.

Oops… They get the wine country, and we get the dope?
We need to rethink this.

It wouldn’t be Mellofornia without Laura.

Could be tricky given that many blue states have large conservative areas (which are overwhelmed by urban populations in statewide elections). Might make work in Cali if you divided it into northern and southern states. Illinois and New York on the other hand would probably add new red states.

I was unhappy to see Napa and Sonoma, along with Mendocino and ‘boldt, in Innie California. I don’t want to have to pay a toll to go visit wine country. I think Napa should probably be Mellofornia’s only non-coastal county.

OC means Orange County.

As you likely know if you watch teen-teevee.

thanks. that’s where all the rich repiglicans live, right?

OC better not join the rural madness!!

It could be done with a little creative gerrymandering, for instance states could be comprised of widely dispersed, non-contiguous segments.

Some of them. Also, there is a fairly heavy presence of Bible thumpers in the OC(Rick Warren and the Schuler clan among them).

Yes, but California is the center of America’s entertainment universe.

Ahem. Very close to starting a NY vs LA argument here.

Just out of curiosity, what would the populations of the two states be?

WTF? How come San Diego isn’t in the yellow zone? Ain’t it enough that I have to live with Darrell Issa???

Along with substantial Hispanic and Asian populations. Not sure that the Hispanic third of the county would be delighted by the prospects of joining the Wholinneeheads.

.
What if we just take all the redneck *ssh*les in the whole country, and make them a new country on the backside of the moon? Moonbatabama. Expensive, but worth it.

Happy Valentine’s Hangover Day! Mick Jagger sings along with Joni Mitchell.
.

teddy, can we build a wall to keep those rurals outta mellofornia?

Uh, lemme get this straight. We have the all population (…’specially since they probably won’t let any immigrant-based lifeforms vote…), and yet somehow they get to kick us out? I must be missing something.

This is heehawlarious, Teddy!

I’m an “outie” but it might surprise many people to know that my coastal county is mostly agricultural. So is SLO and there is tons of food in Gilroy and Watsonville, too.

So it’s okay with me if the secessionists want to stay stuck in Lodi. Again.

Hey, this is kind of funny. Check out the map of the results of Prop 2, county-by-county, at this link.

Doesn’t look much like the proposed New California breakdown, does it?

Then change the filter to look at Prop 8. That looks more like their proposal.

I wonder if this is really about farm animals, or about scaring the farm animals?

I really think that this is one of those cases where the punishment should be giving them exactly what they’ve asked for. You get your new state and $40+ billion debt, and you can treat the chickens however you like.

yes, but what can they do to the sheep?

But they won’t be allowed to gay-marry their chickens, right?

Welcome cosanostradamus.
Keep coming back, and just a reminder to limit links to your affiliated pages so as not to get labeled or anything.
Thanks.

Don’t ask.

OC has been getting more Democratic for a long time. When I moved to Santa Ana in the 70’s, “B-1″ Bob Dornan was getting re-elected with 75% of the vote. When I left in the early 90’s, he was beaten by Loretta Sanchez.

Now, Sanchez is way more conservative than I’d prefer, but she’s way better than Bob Dornan.

I notice the military bases are on the non-mellow territory for the most part…

Tehama, Sutter, and Fresno counties are No on 2 only by the slimmest of margins, too.

As long as Moonbatabama has very aggressive family planning, I’m all for it.

And welcome.

i noticed that too – i think that is why they wanna keep san diego – gotta have that industrial military complex thing to bilk the feds outta lotsa money yanno

Although we get Monterey Language Institute, where the gay service personnel train until they get DADTd.

Already get a ton of federal money from the federal lands and agricultural subsidies.

And, of course, Laguna Seca.

Well, screw it. How’s about we just Californ I A just the way it is?

yes, but what can they do to the sheep?

Whatever they want, of course.

Thanks for the great thread Teddy.

I’m off to get some sleep so I can wake up early and they can put me back to sleep at the surgery center. Doing the same thing to the right side of my spine that they did to the left two weeks ago. Hoping it goes just as well and is just as easy a recovery.

Prayers, good wishes and hugs are always welcome.

Former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), MIT Sloan School of Management professor and senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, Simon Johnson examines President Obama’s plan for economic recovery.

Obama is blowing it bigtime…all you fokls that disgree… youneeds to listen up. He has brokem his word again by hireing LOBBYIST in his administration from the failed banks we bailed out.
Obama is taking us down the wrong roads. To little stimulus means a long deep reccession for the people in the economy…for the 60 million plus that are out of the work force it is a full blown depression. Listen to Bill Moyers a respected journalist as he interviews his MIT guest. It is disturbing to say the least.

Well this is stupid. Only 12 counties voted No on 2. everybody else, including San Diego, voted Yes.

But they won’t be allowed to gay-marry their chickens, right?

Nope. They won’t even be allowed to straight-marry them. And for good measure, they won’t be allowed to straight-divorce anyone, either.

pain free sleep wishes and fingers and toes crossed it goes well for ya tomorrow tex

(((tex!)))

good luck sweetie!

Sleep well. Hopes for a successful and pain free tomorrow.

Simon Johnson examines President Obama’s plan for economic recovery.

Including most of the rural eastern counties.

i think we should tell them rural if they don’t like callyfornia the way it is, move the hell out

i STILL wanna see how you cross them toes!

i can pick up stuff with them too tex – years of practice as a kid and teen simply because i was told that it was impossible to do

I think you are beginning to understand Will Roger’s comment that when all the Okies moved out to California, they raised the average IQ in both states. Remember where they are concentrated.

there ya go.

Is this going to involve a fence?

We want Humboldt !! No doubt about IT!
No Humboldt no deal!

New thread up.

i bet them rural innies won’t like a fence that keeps them out – yet they are the most ardent supporters of border fences

Wait, I feel a moneymaker coming on…lots of central valley folks love to come to the coast to beat the heat. toll ways, please! Beach usage fees, please! ka ching!

Best of everything, Tex.

make them get passports and apply for a visa first

Sure, and by their own calculations, the necessary labor to build it (and the accompanying toll-based border crossings) will be on their side.
Let them have their fence :-).

Best to ya, Betsy

Thin I will head off to bed. Take care all.

LOL.

g’nite dr (pause) dick

can’t have them harshing our mello yanno

*****notice*****

tech crew is going to be taking the lake down in about 5 minutes for no more than 10 minutes.

I’ll happily live in outie-CA (also known as Paradise!) We’ve got plenty of strawberries and celery and cilantro and none of the stink of the cattle pens that make one vow never to eat beef again — ah, the 5; I can live without it.

Me too!

*shakes head*
wha’happen?

What would the state of East California put on its state quarter? A jackass?

see my 97 – tech took us down for a few minutes

late late nite 2 flights up

These people want a new state because they are being forced to allow pigs to stand up? Jeezus, the right is beyond parody.

I’d miss the east side of the Sierras, but I sure wouldn’t miss the foul air of the south end (the armpit) of the Central Valley. But let’s have all of the Chile-strip (okay, San Diego County can opt out if they choose) but we want those northern coastal counties …. Paradise gets all of its parts.

Oh look, Orange county is now a “rural county”.
This a Republican/Democratic split, not a urban/rural split, or Monterey County would be in the rural part, and Orange County in the urban part.

Wow, this used to be a joke,..splitting up the 2 Californias.I’m so old.
Give Humbolt to Upper Cal,i.e. San Fran, Marin,etc.
Let So Cal keep the slave trade,Mex. heroin,etc.
Commerce is commerce.

And where would “Coastal California” get its water?

In CA, it’s always “follow the water.”

Where will any Californians get their water?
The water wars start higher up the river than Ca.
Just saying,..as a child of the dry western states.

SF owns Hetch Hetchy. It’s our power and our water. I doubt we’ll give it up in any state division.

Why would anyone on the coast vote to separate themselves from their water supply?

Why would the sizeable bloc of votes in CA-04 that when for Charlie Brown vote to align with the GOPigs?

Why would Humboldt, Mendocino, Napa, Sonoma, Yolo and Solano Counties (and even Sacramento County) vote to align with the GOPigs?

A majority of San Diego (the city if not the county) is Democratic. There are a respectable number of Democrats in Orange County. And I think Riverside County is slightly Democratic, too. Why would they vote to align with the GOPigs?

That’s enough votes to shoot this one down.

Finally, why would the Democrats in Congress approve this? (Required by Article IV, Section 3 of the U. S. Constitution.) It would be throwing away a significant number of electoral votes.

“when” = went

Also, Imperial County is heavily Democratic.

IF California were divided, the state with the water source would find uses for it all within that state. In this hypothetical case, that would be agriculture. They’d do it all legal and proper, with votes and everything.

I’d say water politics is one reason why CA will not be split up, but it is also a major reason why Californians often talk about splitting up.

Just popping into comments to agree that we are gonna want to keep Humbolt. San Diego too because we have to keep TBogg and his Lovely and Talented family.

OTOH, maybe keeping Humbolt is how they plan to pay off the debt.

Or the US could give the green part back to Mexico. Makes just as much sense.

Not apropos, but I still like the idea of a horizontal three way split, to be called: Logland (Northern Ca.) — Fogland (Central Ca.) — and Smogland (Southern Ca.).

Hey we still get Santa Clara, Monterey, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara wine country…

A north-south split of CA makes sense to me. Northern CA gets the water and damn near everything worthwhile about CA… Southern CA has to, well, live with itself.