Ledeen’s "argument," such as it is, is that Newsweek is wrong to say that "We’re All Socialists Now," because socialists don’t want to abolish private property, like Obama doesn’t. Instead, Obama just wants to do stuff like limit the amount of money executives of financial firms can take home if they accept federal bailout money, which is exactly the sort of thing Mussolini did, not to mention FDR, who was exactly the same as Mussolini. Huzzah! Ledeen then takes a bow, and all the monkeys applaud and gibber and gleefully defecate.
This is so much poo-flinging. Ledeen says the reason nobody wants to call Obama a "fascist" is that everyone except himself is an idiot and therefore uses the term as an "epithet," when really it’s just the accurate term for anything proposed in the 1930s that wasn’t either laissez-faire capitalism or Bolshevism. But that’s stupid, as is the whole dumb Jonah Goldbergian premise. Mussolini did not invent corporatism; the Catholic Church did. Nobody who is serious about history or indeed anything but poo-flinging would exclude from the definition of "fascism" the casual brutality, mindless nationalism, worship of physical force, and contempt for the rule of law. Fascism should be an epithet, which is why it’s used as such, and why people like Ledeen ball up their tiny fists in adorable rage when it’s applied to them. But if the jackbooties fit, you know?
For years the Monkeys of Wingnuttia howled and howled about how the Bush administration posed no threat, no threat at all to civil liberties, and was not, no most certainly not, engaged in fearmongering in order to put through stuff like the ability to wiretap whoever they liked without anything even remotely like oversight. So it’s more than a little rich now in February, 2009 to start shrieking about Il Duce in the fucking stimulus bill.



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Does that mean Ledeen supports Obama? Because he was a very strong supporter (in his Ph.D. thesis) of Italian fascism. Thought it was just the thing or whatever the 1920s phrase was. I forget.
Thers!
’cause Ledeen makes the trains run on time, too.
poo flinging monkeys? dammit, i knew better than to wear white when its sathersday nite
It’s Thersday on Saturday!
Digg it!
dugg, thanks to neuro for opening the digg
aren’t these the boyz who rolled on the “hitler was a leftist” theme ??
Dugg and left comment !
Hi Thers, Knut, newt (are those two pronounced the same?) and Suzanne
let the flinging commence
I don’t know who this guy is ,but he sure sounds like a kook
Did the doughy pantload discuss Obama’s fascism in his “liberal fascism” screed? Or did it go to press too late for him to work that in?
Amen to that!
thanks, billy1
fork, i guess i should change into my yellow slicker so the poo doesn’t stain
i did not know this – guess it takes one to know one?
I don’t even know who Michael Ledeen is, or why lefty bloggers dignify his babble by writing about it.
Michael Ledeen, Jonah Goldberg etc are two of the hundred monkeys typing away and trying to duplicate Shakespeare. They’ve produced a predictable amount of gibberish, but no masterpiece. Unless one considers their output as a mountain of monkey poo, but that’s a masterpiece of a different, errmm, aroma.
It’s amazing to me that wingnuts can be so utterly stupid and still manage to be an existential threat to good government.
Begin here.
from his wiki:
Hi, y’all – it hardly seems worth saying,it’s so obvious, but – remember how freaked out the righties got when anyone pointed out the factual resemblance of Bush admin’s actions to the textbook definition of fascism?
I recall shouts of traitor! Extremeist! Bush Derangement Syndrome!
I should have links and such, but I bet FDL readers remember. Besides, I just feel too lazy to go looking. Sorry!
the wiki also said he was involved in the fake yellowcake forgery that plame was outed over
knew i knew that fucker’s name from somewhere
I guess they both “experts” (Defintion- Ex = the unknown factor, Pert = a squirt under pressure) on fascists.
thanks, newt. that gives me a better idea of who/what he is.
I once had a tour of Walpole State Prison’s DDU the unit that houses the worst of the worst .
The walls were stained brown and yellow from inmates slinging pooh at the COs
I just wondered if there was any connection?
and thanks Suz, too
is Thers amongst us tonight?
From Suzanne’s wiki link:
I’m sure you remember the original source of the reports about Atta meeting with Sadaam Hussein operatives that was so often quoted by Shooter? Sismi, the Italian intelligence service…
Evening all. Clogged tubes, very slow connection…
he should be – ‘xpect he is wrassling a toddler again
hi thers
Thers!
Heeeellooooo, thhhhheerrrrrsssss
those forking nsa guys had better move their forking white van off thers’ tubes or else it will be exlax in their brownies again
hasn’t O fired or reassigned them yet?
Thanks for the post Thers
let them go park on Michael Ledeen’s toobz for a change
‘lo everyone.
I have to say his stupidity for even wailing about this is amazingly loud. People aren’t falling for it anymore. Especially when they have more important things to worry about.
I’m tired as hell from yesterday, but still rather hard headed. I know what i’ll likely be doing, but not sure about the details. Those i won’t know about until monday, anyway. With about 6 phone calls made, and hoping i can keep my temper in check…
rage all you want to here, alias
Bless you for the link! It’s got the wife’s fave poster.
Good evening pups. Thanks Thers.
My son and his friends all celebrated “Hug a Fascist Dictator Day” in world history class. Should they have invited Michelle Obama?
Damn this is taking forever… not sure what it is, sometimes the connection just is for crap. Rural broadband is kinda not fantastic…
Mrs. Feinstein will trade you infrastructure to get fiber-optic if only you will cede net neutrality.
Give me Roland Burris over DiFi as my Senator any day.
The thing that kills me is how limiting executive pay is ”fascism” but limiting autoworker’s compensation is ”fiscal responsibility.”
Hi, Betsy! Um, is that, um – snark?
Btw, anybody watching SNL? The opening sketch may be a clue to the MSM –
the theme is entirely How-stupid-and-tone-deaf-about-Obama-and-obstructionism the Republicans are.
Heh.
doesn’t she want us to have to pay more for the semi faster speed – creating more money for her
sponsorscampaign contributors so they can give her even more moneybut if we limited executive pay, they might quit, and then we would have to find a new bunch of idiots to wreck our economy.
nope. the kids invented. teenage boys infatuated with power.
So how much worse could they be? It would take them a while to get up to speed and by then maybe Barney Frank’s new regulation package will be passed…
Yah, I know. Nevermind how far behind the rest of the planet we are with broadband…
Is it okay to say things like that about Rick Perry?
my kid and his friends did NOT invent rick perry!
She can pry our porn from our cold dead whatevers, only $89.95/month. And surtaxes for my surveillance. As long as it is fast.
Oh, wait…
thers, i just rebooted and that helped speed up my rural broadband to slightly faster than dialup
ROFL!
Ha, tried that. I have no clue why sometimes it’s fine and other times crap.
Suzanne, how do you get your internet connection out there in the boonies?
*flinging poo at thers’ broadband company* speed it up boys or its gonna get worse for ya
tis cable broadband that gets slower and slower – baby girl could not watch the lost episode she missed last nite because the stream was constantly buffering
buffer this (scalia hand gesture)
i can’t bitch too much – it is included in my rent, along with cable, electricity, water, and garbage
crap, i meant scalito
have a teenager playing Halo via internet, around the clock?
Betsy, do you mind if I offer a baked treat tonight?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes…..ison-ever/
LOL
“Buffer this!” A wonderful phrase is born.
cool!
well, with baby girl around, i can’t be saying my usual fork this
Isn’t it? I can’t even imagine the logistics involved in designing such a thing. I could bake the cupcakes, but somebody else would have to figure out the plan. *g*
sure that’s not “buff this”
Dammit, looking for Ledeen’s hilarious review of Goldberg’s book — it’s somehow buried…
But, Suzanne, what’s wrong with fork? Just an innocent table implement…
Wait, here it is…
We have a teen — probably not her, tho…
this help?
dayam, you were faster than me – even with your crappy connection
Condolences
16, mine… but a keeper!
Oh, thanks, Thers –
first comic line:
“[Jonah’s]book is a careful book, maybe even too careful.”
Um, does anyone know what “icons of liberalism” were admirers of Mussolini?
OTOH, he does point out that Jonah gets the definiton of fascism flat wrong, notes that
on fascist history.
So, I guess we can conclude that Ledeen is at least smarter, or better educated (educable?) than Jonah Goldberg.
Praise, indeed./s
What’s great about that Ledeen review of Loadpants’ book is that it shows he must know is talking crap right now.
Pantload – proud to get a bollocking by Michael Ledeen.
she knows a substitution when she hears one…. and, unfortunately, she has mastered the look
Ruh-roh. S’okay, I clean up my language good when around my own family members.
Actually, I hadn’t cussed much for years. The last few years have changed that….
thers, i forgot to tell ya – that monty python video up top had me cracking up
i blame boosh – of course, i blame boosh for everything that i don’t blame cheney for
now where did she learn the look ??
Absolutely forkin’ right!
*innocent look*
i have no idea
Ledeen is not stupid — just insane. He really does know a lot about Italian fascism, which makes it so weird that he’s talking such obvious crap here.
Ha! Is one of my faves
Not entirely sure, no, I’ll use either one.
OK, wrestling w broadband is tiring me out, niters
niters thers – don’t let the forkers keep ya down – go fling some poo at the white van on your tubes and tell ‘em suzanne sent ya
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who started cussing again…
sleep well.
i am right behind ya.
zzzzzzzzz
g’nite tex – glad to hear the teen is feeling better
Some entertainment…
and, of course, pain free sleep wishes
‘evening, all-
The same people who have genuflected before Bush for eight years now calling Obama a fascist generates a level of cognitive dissonance in me that simply cannot be controlled without Crown Royal.
(gulp)
thank ya ma’am!
apply liberally
Hi Betsy!…thought I’d missed you…hope you and yours are well.
I don’t apply any other way :)
tis the only way to fly
Here is Joe Leibermann’s political father: Yucky!
I find it easier to blame Addington for *everything*.
Enabler par excellence.
Checkmate
gotta include yoo in the blame game
More stuff…
Totally OT, I’m in a hotel in Lake City, FL, having been assigned to observe a Civil War battle re-enactment. Wow. Talk about an excursion through a subculture..it’s kind of like a Renaissance Fair for rednecks. Climactic day tomorrow-I’ll be wearing an invisible cultural anthropologists hat, and trying to channel Drs. Dick and Puma.
Should be fun.
how did ya get assigned?
Hiya Pups!
That SNL sketch about Wiii(sp?) games was pretty hilarious.
He’s a yootool.
One of my professors is psychotic, near as I can figure. He’ll be there tomorrow…I also have to give it up for Ms.D., who is celebrating Valentine’s today and her birthday tomorrow by spending it at a battle re-enactment.
Much better than I deserve.
We’ve seen some re-enactments in Pennsylvania near Skippack, and the medical tents always draw MrCE. Some good, some stupid. What a crowd.
gasp
you are so gonna owe her jewelry
cartoon upstairs
So agreed.
Ah…the medical tents are something I have been instructed to pay particular attention to…I think he’s just trying to shock us. The people…I actually asked a guy today, “you DO know the Civil War is over, right?” after the third time he used present tense…He laughed-and then said, “It’ll never be over.”
I suspect he may be right.
I know. Something nice, wrapped, and delivered with a smile. She has informed me of this. Repeatedly.
Funny video…maybe reaches the level of hilarious. I thought Jane played her role exceptionally well for a man. The run on sentences at the entry way of the bed and breakfast were histerical.
Thank you Thers
ROTFLOL Wow I am hooked on Monty loved the Holy Grail when castle night guard pisses over the wall on the spies lurking in the shadows below all quite by accident This post will be fondly revisited.