The power struggle between Rahm Emanuel and Congressional Democratic leadership continues. Sean Quinn at FiveThirtyEight:
Emanuel said the idea for Gregg as Commerce Secretary had come to the White House through Harry Reid, that it was not the White House’s original idea.
But yesterday Robert Gibbs said that Gregg had approached the White House for the job. And in an interview with the Slate Journal-Register of Illinois yesterday, President Obama confirmed that:
“You know, Mr. Gregg approached us with interest and seemed enthusiastic,” the president said.
However a source knowledgeable about the selection process who did not want to be named for fear of jeopardizing White House relations said that the idea for Gregg actually had been initiated within the administration staff, but declined to specify whose it was.
According to the New York Times article on February 1 announcing that Obama would appoint Judd, this was the description of events:
The idea of offering the job to Mr. Gregg came, at least in part, from the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada. (The two senators are close, aides to both men said.) Mr. Reid mentioned the idea to Rahm Emanuel, Mr. Obama’s chief of staff, who passed it on to the president-elect.
Politico says Gregg believed Reid put him up for he job, and credits Rahm Emanuel with responsibility for negotiating the deal. But public sniping has broken out between Emanuel’s and Reid’s surrogates of late, with Emanuel favorite Heath Shuler saying Reid and Pelosi "failed" the bipartisan test on the stimulus bill. Reid spokesman Jim Manley fired back, saying "Let me get this straight – this is coming from a guy who threw more than twice as many interceptions than touchdowns?"
Another source who is knowledgeable about how Gregg came to be suggested by Reid, who also declined to be named for fear of jeopardizing White House relations, said that Reid did suggest Gregg, "because he thought it would be a great way to destabilize the Republican caucus, to lose one of their sharpest members." (David Rogers described Gregg as "a trusted, behind-the-scenes consigliore [sic] for every leader since the mid-90s.")
"The deal that went down — where Gregg was removed, and a Republican would fill the slot — was not Reid’s idea," said the source.
"The person who was on the receiving end of the idea should have circled back, gone to talk to the top Democratic people in New Hampshire, assured that the governor would have the balls to appoint a Democrat or a moderate Republican or whoever he wants to take over that spot, and that Gregg would actually be serious about following through" said the source. "Basically played that ‘brass knuckles’ politics that should be played in that situation."
"Now if that person could not pull that off, or was not sure that they could, they should have ignored Reid’s idea, disconsidered Gregg."
Sam Stein of the Huffington Post wrote on January 29 that Gregg was under consideration. On February 1, disaffected moderate Republican Liz Hager was being considered to fill Gregg’s seat. On February 2, Gregg indicated that he would only take the job if he was replaced by a Republican, and on February 3 it was announced that Gregg’s former chief of staff, Bonnie Newman, would get the seat.
According to sources familiar with the situation within the White House at the time, there were rumblings at the very highest levels of the administration as to how things got so bungled. Not only did Gregg recuse himself from the stimulus vote (which effectively counted as a "no" vote against cloture), Newman would not run again in 2010 and would go back to being a lobbyist, and could thus be counted on to be a completely business-friendly GOP vote in the Senate. People in the White House felt like they’d given up the Commerce seat to someone who had no special abilities in that area, and gotten absolutely nothing for it.
"Just because Reid had a thought didn’t excuse the White House from exercising due diligence and making sure that the process would actually work politically, as was contemplated by Reid," said the source. "The person responsible for managing the process should have made sure that it would result in a situation advantageous to the Democratic allies on the Hill."
And who would that "person" be?
"A competent chief of staff would have made sure of that," said the source. "The buck stops somewhere, right? This is the administration that talks about responsibility, right? If the President can say ‘I screwed up,’ why can’t Rahm Emanuel?"
"When you’re as dynamic as the President, with an enforcer Chief of Staff, you should be able to find out in very definitive terms if you will be able to pull this off. They should have closed the circle before they started leaking to the press."
"This is something that has been the hallmark of Rahm’s leadership since he took over — remember how he was leaking left and right, and then holding dramatic press conferences outside his house? That’s how he was, it was all about Rahm."
As reported earlier, Rahm has been telling journalists that John Podesta was to blame for failures to appropriately vet Tom Daschle and Timothy Geithner. Podesta, he said, was "old school" — from an earlier era when "all you cared about were 51 votes," and not up to the high moral standards of a new administration.
But Podesta clearly had nothing to do with Gregg’s nomination, so it looks like Rahm is trying to lay off the Gregg fiasco at Reid’s feet.
I contacted the White House press staff and invited them to respond, but have not heard back from them since my inquiry this morning.



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great post, Jane. I was pretty confused about this. With my Bush/Cheney PTSD, I thought it was some nefarious plot to get the Obama folks to open their kimono to Gregg who could report back the Commerce plans to his buds. a spy, IOW.
I’m happy to blame Rahm.
I’m betting on Reid. By the way: Reid must go. He’s even worse than Lieberman because he has the power to screw everything up everyday. Lets primary his azz.
Jane, if I didn’t know better i’d say Rahm is replacing Lieberman atop your shitlist.
Rahm sez Obama lost control of stimulus debate ??!!!!! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..66692.html
OK. Obama wasn’t on top of his game maybe. Started fighting back too late. But Rham was a primary player in crafting apiece o’crap. Obama lost control?? Problem was Rahm was in control.
This is a circle jerk.
No wonder no one here understood the Gregg appt. It made no sense. Too bad no one in DC has any command of the obvious.
Rahm’s sole talent seems to be in locating convenient scapegoats for his own screw ups.
Jeezus, I do not envy Obama trying to operate in this den of vipers. Sure hope he knows what he’s doing with having Emmanuelle as his COS, cuz I don’t trust a single thing outta that dude’s pie hole.
I honestly believe though that the O-man is trying clean up the cesspool. It’s just a matter if he’ll be able to make to the finish line 4-8 years from now without bleeding to death from all the stabs to his back.
mo’nin’ ecahn
I see you’re fit and fiddle. :)
Hard to say. Seems both are to blame. In the end, Obama’s to blame. last time it was “I screwed up.” Will he says “I fucked up” this time?
But I never cease to be amazed at Rahm’s ability to put everything off on somebody else. Talk about teflon.
‘zactly!!
Reid & Rahm – dumb and dumber?
The Beltway must be too tight as it appears to restrict oxygen delivery to the brains of government officials.
Morning. (Afternoon actually.) Slept in, but have just finished my coffee & ready to roll. How be you?
o/t can the press get any more crass?
someone at the press conference in NY asked what could have happened (that would have been worse than the crash). Gov. Patterson said what did happened was pretty bad and tragic.
That’s a generous explanation.
OK. did recovering from three jaywalkers who don’t realize how much glare comes off rainsoaked pavement in the sun. had two coffees.
Hope your friends and loved ones were not affected by the crash.
I’ve been listening too. The Qs were amazingly stupid. You highlight the wosrt one, but there were other ringers too. I had to mute the TV at some points, inlcuding parts of Paterson’s remarks.
One wouldn’t think so but they’ll find a way.
I haven’t gotten an email from my classmate who takes it upon himself to be the news clearing house, so I’m assuming no one I know was on the plane.
I think Rahm was also looking to use Gregg to run point on the “entitlement reform”, i.e., “let’s gut Social Security” soon-to-be-fiasco.
Now I may be an idiot.
But so is Rahm.
More interesting to me is what forces drove Mr. Gregg to eat so much humble pie by walking away from a Cabinet post before he got his parking pass?
Was it Gooper theatrics from the start? Did the invisible hands of Republican enforcers make Mr. Gregg an offer he couldn’t refuse? Enquiring minds want to know.
The bottom line for me is that the egg is on Gregg’s face, not the Obama administration’s. Why is the White House is so reluctant to lay blame when it legitimately belongs somewhere else? Have they continued not just Bush’s state secrets scam, but his ability only to invent blame where none belongs?
OT
Ginsburg’s tumor was benign.
After the past 30 years to not think that Republicans don’t have their own inside sources shows what amateur’s the Democrats playing these machiavelian games are:
- “Another source who is knowledgeable about how Gregg came to be suggested by Reid, who also declined to be named for fear of jeopardizing White House relations said that Reid did suggest Gregg, “because he thought it would be a great way to destabilize the Republican caucus, to lose one of their sharpest members.”"
The Republicans caught on to this grand scheme and let Gregg know and not surprisingly that ended it. Linda Tripp didn’t stay in government because she wanted to serve the Clinton Administration. Repubs know more than the naive Dems think they know. They deserve credit on how to play the role of the opposition and it’s not for a tie nor surely to loose. Rahm’s talent as a political swami is well documented, why Obama chose him for COS will always be a mystery to me.
no news is good news.
are there any viable candidates for commerce floating out there?
Yep on the first part. Nope on the second.
I think Obama is looking even better out of the lack of Repub support on the Job Creation Plan (polls back this up), and also with this Gregg nonsense. Many Repubs are saying how much they appreciate Obama’s “bending over backwards” to include them, as Gregg said yesterday as well, yet they’re aren’t going along. The Repubs are doing our dirty work for us in the public opinion tug-of-war, and as pointed out here often, this was all totally predictable. Obama certainly understood this was possibility, and while he might’ve genuinely wanted some of the “postpartisan” stuff to work, he comes out ahead anyway if it doesn’t since he tried.
The public seems to be noticing these efforts and liking them. The Repubs used to rely on a turdblossom, and now we’ve got a Dem Prez smelling like a rose.
Now, with firm control of the “high road,” and growing public approval, Obama will have much more support to attempt more Liberal policy moves.
Wow, that’s wonderful news!
I am running behind on the census controversy. What happened? I gather they took it out of Commerce at some point. Why? Was it before or after naming Gregg?
second that!
I was a little concerned about Obama’s remarks about Lincoln not retaliating against the South after the Civil War. I hope he is not trying to draw any comparisons to our divided house now. The South fought to secede, not to run a coup on the WH and democracy. There were atrocities from that time that I’m sure were prosecuted, and I hope that the war criminals that reigned for eight years are prosecuted, too.
I’m glad that the goopers are making hard-to-get asses out of themselves. and I hope we can get past the bipartisanship myth. I like unicorns but I know they are not real. Or if they’re real, they’re extremely rare!
not sure, but I think the Black and Hispanic caucus brought up Gregg’s parsimonious budgets for census on his previous committee.
There’s not necessarily a contradiction. If Reid and Gregg are buddies (and I think that this is Reid’s problem: he’s too close personally to too many Republicans), Gregg could have expressed interest which Reid passed on, which would mean that Robert Gibbs’ statement is basically right. The sniping between Rahm and Reid would just be the usual finger-pointing that pols do when things blow up.
It should have been obvious to me that such a clusterfuck was an idea of Reid’s implemented by Rahm.
Alright, O–lissenup…Your first big mistake was to give Rahm COS. Your second big mistake was to give any credence to the opinion of loserleader Harry Reid.
Lets try to learn from our mistakes, hmmmm?
IMHO, there’s no way Obama is going to gut SS. I think just the opposite in that he’s going raise/remove the cap, which is clearly the easiest and most politically advantageous thing to do.
He’s extremely good at this game. He’s President, right, when most people said it wasn’t possible and against all odds…literally.
Obama was in the Senate when Shrub began the Repub implosion with his attempt to “gut Social Security” after his re-selection in 2004 and supposedly had all this “political capital.” It was just the end of Shrub, it may have been the beginning of the end of the modern day Repub Party. It started with the SS. Obama must know this, and judging by his proven ability to understand what the public is willing to support, he’s not going anywhere near SS “reform” that the public doesn’t want. Just the opposite since his numbers would soar if he raised/removed the cap.
Jane, you’ve been on fire recently, must be eatin’ your Wheaties or somethn’, can’t pass up any of your work.
Reid and Emanuel both should go. Easier for Obama to get rid of Emanuel. He seems to subvert Obama. You would think he could do a better job of being sneaky about his underhanded dealings. BIG ego.
this really should disqualify him for majority leader, eh?
sigh.
Hey how about Alan Grayson for Commerce Secretary???
That would rock everyone’s world.
I still say just forget about a Commerce ZSecretary. it’s been a total pain in the ass. It used to be part of labor department way back. Just have Solis run it. shrink government. it’s totally bipartisan and they don’t have to worry about any more vetting disasters.
When the idea to remove Census from DoC, I don’t know, but it was published after he was named by the Admin.
i’m wonderin if he’s interested in Martinez’s seat. Seems like an ambitious guy.
I want Grayson to start a Presidential Exploratory Committee. We’d give him a good jump start. He is most definitely rockin so far!
IMO his record of failure should disqualify him.
Obama may intend to “save” Social Security, but he has surrounded himself with folks like Rahm, who, along with folks like Jim Cooper and Judd Gregg, have been playing the word games about how SS is going broke so has to be destroyed in order to fix it.
So he might mean well, but in the immortal words of St Ronnie of Ray-gunz, “Trust but verify”
And I don’t trust Rahm so it behooves me to do that much more verification and watching his actions rather than his words.
Yeah, I like him. I hope he stays clean, pays his taxes, and keeps his fly zipped up.
It’s pretty clear who talked Judd Gregg out of the Commerce slot, though:
A patriot who believed the President deserved his bipartisan Cabinet would have bucked Judd up in his decision, not allowed him to continue to ruminate on what a bad fit Commerce seemed. This fuckup lands in Mitch’s lap, I fear.
Oh, I agree. But is that the problem or the symptom? :)
Jane, if I didn’t know better i’d say Rahm is replacing Lieberman atop your shitlist.
that’s setting the bar pretty damn high!
The simple things in life that oh-so-many pols don’t do.
What gets me about this process is that if this selection was so effed up from the beginning, they must not take the commerce position very seriously.
That’s a collective “they” meaning O’s administration.
I agree with your comment, but it would be totally outside Obama’s M.O. to “lay blame” and point fingers. Now let’s see, he won the election in a landslide and his approval rating is going up now even through these supposed failures early on in his Presidency, so I’m thinking he knows what he’s doing.
I do worry though that PR and public opinion is one thing, but if things really tank from the lukewarm stop-gap measures, and Obama never tries any truly Liberal policy to save the economy, that no amount of PR skill will save him then. We shall see, and we shall continue to keep pushing him!
You may be right. I tend to think that Reid’s philosophy and strategies are the larger issues, though.
It’s unclear when the census decision was made, but when I heard about it I thought “they’re trying to make this thing go south.” Once it was clear that Gregg had outmaneuvered them — forced his seat to be filled by his former Chief of Staff — I don’t know that McConnell really stood to lose much.
It was getting really embarrassing for the White House — nobody could figure out how it had all gone so badly, and I think they wanted to find a way to make it go away. If Gregg didn’t get the census, which is a big right wing cause celebre, he really didn’t have much reason to do it. It sounds like it might have been a big “FU” after he outflanked them with Newman.
Guys who stay faithful and
Girls with big gavels,
pols who have clean fun
on their world wide travels
Paying their taxes,
the citizens sing
These are a few patriotical things!
Taking the phone calls
from angry protesters
Cleaning up DC’s
financial molesters
Throwing the torturers
in to the Hague
These are a few patriotical things!
When the shoe drops
when the dow bombs
when I’m feeling bad
I simply remember to vote with my ire
and then I don’t feel
so bad….
secret audio: behind the scenes Obama quotes on the matter.
Yes, this stuff is difficult for folks like us to take, but the “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” strategy seems to obviously be one of Obama’s favorites. At least on the PR front, the results have been great so far, so I’m still trusting that he knows what he’s doing.
So this group of losers he’s assembling for SS gutting is just another example of this IMO. Let these guys think they have an opening and start getting vocal about it, and the public will likely decide some of them shouldn’t be in Congress anymore. Is it possible Obama is setting them up so we can get them out of the way for future legislative fights? Seems to fit the M.O. to me, since Judd Gregg looks like a maroon now, as does Lush Limpbaugh, as does the entire Repub Senate and House membership. Obama’s winning so far, although I still have that worry that bad policy will tank things so much that his chess playing skills will do no good.
All scheming aside, the guy was a terrible choice for Commerce. His name should never have been on the list of candidates. Period.
How about kudos to all the D’s. The only guy looking like a shmuck is Gregg and PBO gets to pick somebody with a little bit of charisma.
Oh no. While extremely funny, we know what wingnuts are gonna do with that stuff.
Maybe we can get out in front of it, like with using “Hussein” as a middle for everyone during the campaign, and turn these clips into a positive. Funny nonetheless!
Very nice. Thanks for that!
ITA with your comment. and would like to add my paranoic corollary. Keeping your enemies closer worked in the days before Rove. Perhaps I give Rove too much credit for being so morally bankrupt. Who was the Rove of Lincoln’s era?
He almost seems to have a Napolean complex going – huge ego, bulldog, likes to fight against the big guy – Rahmapolean Complex could be the political term – or Emanapolean Complex….
ding.
Anybody know when the House vote is scheduled? Nancy speechifyin’ now.
thank ya, thank ya verr much.
the silliness just had to be embraced at the moment, here on the west coast.
nice!
John Wilkes Booth?
jane, as the hows & whys of granting anonymity to sources is a frequent topic at fdl, i’m interested in what your personal criteria is for granting this designation to a source. thanks.
Amen!!!
I was wondering about that too but I guessed that she was pointing to the articles, referenced in her post???
Mrs. Greenspan said “about to begin.”
Smug and smugger
The Census is a partisan issue because of the ways you can conduct the count-either by estimation or survey. Estimation, cheaper and historically producing undercounts in Minority Districts which would be dangerous to Democratic Congresspeople in future Redistricting. Surveying is much more accurate, but considerably more expensive. The Whitehouse was going to take control of the Census to prevent any partisan shenanigans from taking place on Gregg’s watch.
The Obama Administration is caught in a Catch-22. Obama believes in the inherent competence of the Establishment. So no matter how many times that Establishment shows it can’t organize a two car parade, Obama will continue to believe in them, because, after all, they are the competent ones.
right. I wasn’t sure about the timing of it all.
do you know if this came up before or after Gregg’s nomination, or before or after Bonnie Newman was to take Gregg’s slot?
I know the lawyer who argued the case for NYC (obviously wants survey methodology) twice before the SCOTUS, losing both times. I think that might have been as far back as the 80s, but maybe not that long ago.
Boner holding up the bill and saying nobody has read this bill. blah blah blah. I don’t remember him complaining about nobody having time to read the Patriot Act.
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I don’t, but that’s a good question!
I do hope Nancy is prepared to issue the ultimatum that no one will be leaving for their weekend or even for the night until this vote is taken!
Obey getting much applause!
I should clarify my “holding up.” Boner was standing there waving this huge stack of paper, allegedly the bill, saying why he won’t vote for it.
mother of all mandates on No Child Left Behind. Bush reneged on the deal.
Obey en fuego!
ew. jerry lewis up.
kinda kissing up to Obey.
I don’t agree with that. I think he’s trying to change it and make it work for the people he grew up with and has surrounded himself on a personal level as an adult. He’s trying to do it in a really subversive way, but getting Establishment types to change it for him by changing the way they look at things. He’s had some success of this already, and has certainly changed a lot of Repub voters’ minds, but still has a way to go with DeeCee Repubs.
IMO, his approach is much more effective long-term, and will lead (yes, still in question whether it’ll succeed) to a much more sustainable difference in the future than just coming in right now with guns blazin, which wouldn’t work very well even in the short term. I don’t want a repeat of 1994 with Newt Gangrene and his Contract on America, which directly led to this hole we’re still trying to dig out of. I think Obama is trying to avoid some of Clinton’s mistakes.
Dengre’s Diary over at the Orange oNe’s Place telling us that >Mr Gregg Knows Jack is pretty serious. Sounds like O was lucky that Judd decided to slither back under the Republican Caucus rock.
It is refreshing to have a president who knows what he’s doing. One who’s read and understands the constitution and how the government it creates works. Bush left that to Cheney so that he could throw out baseballs, work out in the basement and exact political payback for petty slights. Obama, thankfully, can also pair a noun and verb, match their tense, say them correctly, and make them mean what he says.
Mr. Obama’s personal popularity, like compromise and meaningful bipartisanship (a word the Right has corrupted as badly as Bush corrupted all language), is only a means to an end. He is not the law or our government. He’s one politician.
What I care about is that he use his popularity to govern well. That includes helping the legislature enact useful, fair and transparent legislation. If necessary, that would be over the objections of opponents whose only goal is to promote his failure so that they can perpetuate their own.
This is attributable to Obama’s “chess playing skills”? As for poker skills, Obama doesn’t have them yet.
This “trust Obama knows what he’s doing” thing is reminiscent of the famous quote about Trotsky: the proof of his farsightedness is that none of his predictions have come true. You need to face up to the overwhelming evidence that points to a simpler conclusion: for all his virtues, he can be cautious to a fault, and his first instinct is to seek the warm embrace of the establishment. He’s intelligent, energetic and adaptable, so he can hopefully be pushed in the right direction, but he doesn’t have a master plan here.
There is just no evidence for your position, either in terms of the people Obama has surrounded himself with, or as in the case of Judd tried to surround himself with, or in his actions, most notably his stimulus and Geithner’s financial bailout.
And again if Obama convinced so many Republicans how come not one voted for the House version of the stimulus bill?
DING DING DING! We have a winner!
It’s really deja vu all over again. Two years ago I was making many of these same arguments, only about the campaign, yet constantly admonished and buried in ”evidence” in the form of links proving how wrong I was about these similar ideas. Obama won.
Damn, just think what Obama could do if he actually did learn some poker skills. He might even become America’s first Black President someday, or I suppose he could just luck into that.
And ”evidence for my position?” Perhaps you should try understanding someone’s position before expounding on how wrong it is?
I clearly stated I was talking about his personal life history and was discussing his motives. I felt better about Obama hearing Rev. Wright speak and that he was Obama’s spiritual leader for 20 years. I wish Obama would’ve talked to William Ayers more. The book he wrote when 33 (”Dreams…”) has all kinds of stuff about helping people help themselves, and he showed incredible insight on how to make change in the world based on his formative years experiences and community organizing time. I submit he’s not there to serve his corporate masters, as I have done often around here, and have supplied boatloads of ”evidence/links” to support it.
To suggest that Obama thinks the Establishment is ”competent” as he bows to their greatness is just plain silly. Did you watch the campaign at all? His entire campaign was about changing DeeCee and how Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld have the most impressive resumes in Warshington.
I read a report in the NYT saying that the cost of this Stimulus Plan, compared to what FDR spent for the New Deal and adjusted, is much greater. Can’t remember if that was only the First New Deal in 1933, or the First and Second New Deal (1935) together, but either way Obama is proposing a Plan that costs more than what FDR spent (and perhaps Obama is planning a second plan 2-3 years just as FDR did?). He’s getting it passed and his approval ratings are going up at the same time. I’ve now talked with two Repub voters I know, and they’re complaining that he’s not spending enough, and not enough on ”sustainable” jobs! Not sure, but is this the largest single spending bill to ever pass, and Repub voters are supporting it as polls show? There is a massive change happening in American opinion, and it’s not all happening by accident. Obama’s been Prez for about 3 three weeks.
To just keep screaming FISA, and Gregg, and Larry Summers, while ignoring the political climate he’s operating within (which results in these types of tactical decisions Obama’s made that frustrate us), as clearly this giant ship known as America is beginning a slow turn to the left with Obama’s hand on the rudder, is missing what’s happening and how it’s happening. We DO have evidence of Obama’s favorite strategies and the kind of results they deliver. I like his track record so far.
Yes, for the millionth time, we should keep any politician’s feet to the fire and let them know when they do stuff we don’t like, but we should also give credit where credit is due. If he starts proposing and signing Social Security gutting, or things like NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, and repealing Glass-Steagall, I’ll fighting against him with all I got. Until that happens though, I like much of what he’s done, and his past makes me feel he’s legit enough so that I’m confident he has the general public’s best interest ahead of the fat cats. So I’ll be helping him until he gives me reason not to trust him anymore. Hasn’t happened to this point.
The census thing is just an appeal to the base, specifically those who are vibing with the ‘there’s something not right with this guy’ theme that wingnut media have been developing since inauguration day. Now, Fox uses “Chicago” as a codeword…I’m not sure if it’s for black people or the mob: http://www.newsy.com/videos/se….._good_fit/
so governing is all just a big game to these people. They couldn’t care less about effectively helping the country. It’s all about their own egos. Is there anyone, ANYONE in government that is there to actually effectively govern?
The Devil’s in the details!