From Reuters a couple of days ago (via Salam Pax):
Before leaving Washington last week to deliver a major foreign policy speech in Germany, [Vice President Joseph] Biden chided Baghdad for failing to settle disputes over the city of Kirkuk and to enact a law dividing oil revenue, among other issues.
"I think our administration is going to have to be very deeply involved. We are going to have to get in there and be much more aggressive in forcing them to deal with these issues," Biden said.
Asked about Biden’s remarks on Tuesday, [Iraqi prime minister Nuri al-]Maliki, an increasingly assertive leader whose followers won surprise victories in provincial elections last month, fired back.
"I believe talk about applying pressure on the Iraqi government or taking hard measures against it no longer works," he said at a news conference in Baghdad with visiting French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
The New York Times version is even more blunt:
“The time for putting pressure on Iraq is over,” Mr. Maliki said in answer to a reporter’s question about Mr. Biden’s remarks. “The Iraqi government knows what its responsibilities are.” [. . .]
According to political advisers, Mr. Maliki is intent on changing the nature of Baghdad’s relationship with Washington, shifting Iraq’s role from a client state to a more equal partner.
This is a point I kept trying to make last year, when I wrote that Maliki & Co. had every reason to sincerely push for U.S. concessions in the SOFA negotiations – including endorsing Obama’s proposed withdrawal timeline. Rather than begging for a neocon occupation to prop them up, I wrote last July, the Shiite clerical powers who put Maliki and his allies in office wanted to
… use the American military as a contractor of sorts to help cement a Shiite-led government’s power, then nudge us aside when the task was more or less complete. Maliki’s newfound spine, if anything, just means that they think that time is drawing closer.
And it’s drawing closer still now. Anyone on the U.S. side who imagines we’re still in a position to impose our will on Iraq, whether it’s Biden, Obama, or Gen. Petraeus and his cronies, is likely to spend the coming months finding out how irrelevant their plans are.



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Let’s just get the hell out already.
Were we ever in a position to force our will? Maybe temporarily, but that just means we were wasting our time and effort.
Smart people knew this war of choice would end badly for the United States.
And should be irrelevant…Isn’t Iraq called a sovereign nation? When will we ever learn….when will we ever learn?
Maliki played Shrub like a fiddle and has a definitive document stating we will have to be gone by 2011…! No ifs, ands, or buts…! ;-)
Aloha Siun!
Well, I don’t know. Tweety just interviewed some batshit crazy talkshow host (i don’t know why) re gallup poll on torture. says he has the right to defend himself if someone “comes into his house and threatens his family, doesn’t need to wait until the person actually does harm”. He thought this was perfectly consistent with the iraq war.
geez.
I’m really losing my marbles listening to these crazy people.
Anyone who thinks that Maliki is in a position to impose his will may also be surprised.
It’s consensus or bust (apart).
Oops, My Bad, Swopa…! ;-)
Maliki is speaking primarily for local consumption.
Maliki is a hardline Shi’ite who after the elections is looking to fill Saddam’s shoes as Iraq’s next strongman. The problem is he doesn’t have the apparatus in place in terms of government institutions and security forces to make good on the role.
What it does mean is that a political settlement looks increasingly unlikely and that means ongoing conflict into the foreseeable future. We need to get out now.
Troops
Home
Now
It is going to be interesting to see Odierno and Petraeus explaining what is going on to congress. And you guys want to stay in Iraq how long?
That sounds about right to me.
I hate to agree with al-Maliki. The time for talk about applying pressure is over…it’s time for action. No more talk…we need to begin every possible step to withdraw ASAF!
I think our iraq exit strategy is the same way we got in…afghanistan.
We all look alike over the Internet. :-)
I more or less agree, especially since I suspect Maliki will continue wanting to use our troops to make up any shortfall in his ability to impose his will.
Biden is not looking so good on this trip. In Afghanistan he tried to bully Karzai, and that backfired. In Iraq, he tries to bully Maliki, who just pisses back at him.
I guess this is why Hilary got the job at SoS.
Bob in HI
Time to say, thank you. Maliki.
we are going to pack up and leave.
it is their country. Maliki is right.
You don’t suspect that we will use our troops to frustrate his attempt to impose his will, particularly as regards Kirkuk?
Maliki is undoubtedly a Lion in public and a pussycat in private about US assistance- still it’s clear that the military presence is coming to a halt within the next two years, and that americans aren’t going to go crazy about the idea of sending Iraq billions a year to keep their necks above water.
I think that’s less likely, though there are so many possible permutations I can’t be sure.
It’s going to be ugly trying to stay neutral amid all the factional infighting that hasn’t been settled yet. But getting re-involved in larger-scale fighting will be uglier.
When will China send us a thank you card for their new cheap Iraqi oil?
Joining in the fighting would be crazy-and-a-half for us. I hope that as we withdraw that our troops will serve to keep the infighting at a minimum.
The longer that the power-sharing is in place, the better.
My dickhead congressman Bilbray is on Hardball beating his meat in public…How fuckin embarassing….
Can no democratic candidate rid us of this abortion?
They mailed one but it was recalled prior to delivery.
Condolences… but I get Boozman – Same BS, different suit.
Along those same lines, Biden/Obama is continuing the same Iranian witchhunt… Blix/Ritter et al, have supported the 07 NIE…! Disturbing, to say the least, that we’re still beating that old nuked drum…! :-(
We don’t know yet, it might just be part an opening bid on the part of Obama. Threaten them with the stick before he shows them a carrot. That would be a departure from Bush, who never progressed beyond stick waving.
I like this Hill story…
Do I detect a spine developing…? ;-)
*Sigh*
I hope you are right there
The question to ask is, what evidence is Panetta seeing to the contrary … or are the NeoCons in the CIA only showing him the ginned up stuff.
Franken got a lot closer today – that would make it 59 – 41
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo…..hances.php
He’s going to let Biden/Hillary play Bad Cop/Good Cop, then have Bill waiting in the wings to kill with his syrupy, bullying nature.
Like all good guests, we should know when it’s time to leave. If not, the hosts get ugly.
I agree with the view above, that Malliki is just blustering for the Arab public.
Someday our Prince will come ♫
Heh, Chuck Todd is grousing about his new gig…! ;-)
Leave Chuck alone, he’s a defender of the First Amendment !
How are ya, buddy
And stupider. There’s no doubt in my mind that Irak is headed for years of power struggle. The bombings of the last 3 days is not coincidence. What better way to show that al-Maliki can’t protect his citizens than to target a Shi’ite pilgramage.
Guess this was like the press getting to meet with the big oil reps after their meeting with Darth.
Could always be doing better, but, fine for now, Petro! Btw, the Marleyfest is mere days away…! *g*
Don’t remind me … stupid Agents …
who’s got the tiny violin?
Chuck prefers to call it a FluteNever Mind !If you stay up late enough… i have a ukulele for ya. *s*
BushCo. has set things up so that no matter how he leaves, leaving is going to be messy &/or leave a mess behind that Obama can be blamed for in 2010 and 2012.
Bob in HI
Hey, isn’t that my line, ES? ;-)
Btw, it’s nice to see the Grey Lady making sense again…
…..”whether it’s Biden, Obama, or Gen. Petraeus and his cronies, is likely to spend the coming months finding out how irrelevant their plans are.”
How right that is. The U.S. trajectory, post Baghdad cleansing (post civil war, divide and conquer) has been one of creeping (and then sprinting) irrelevance. The new alliance between Maliki and Sadr after the elections only seal the deal.
“Already it’s begun—the endless non-departure from Iraq”
I hope Obama doesn’t cave to this pressure.