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		<title>By: bobh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827872</link>
		<dc:creator>bobh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Collins, et. al. voted for closure on an $828 billion Senate bill, how can they then insist that the final package be below $800 billion?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Collins, et. al. voted for closure on an $828 billion Senate bill, how can they then insist that the final package be below $800 billion?</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827819</link>
		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In Ft Myers, FL yesterday Obama prooved he is still a fine orator and campaign politician; yet to be proven is whether he has the right stuff to also be a statesman who can and will govern. (just my opinion)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Ft Myers, FL yesterday Obama prooved he is still a fine orator and campaign politician; yet to be proven is whether he has the right stuff to also be a statesman who can and will govern. (just my opinion)</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827805</link>
		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/world_news/Early_Morning_Swim_53&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DIGG&lt;/a&gt; is open  (better late than never)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;pup34&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://digg.com/world_news/Early_Morning_Swim_53" rel="nofollow">DIGG</a> is open  (better late than never)</p>
<p>pup34</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827760</link>
		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sheer, et al. cited in above-linked article have it bang-on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moreover, the banks should not only reorganized on a pre-Graham-Belisle basis , but the government should take over the investment banks that emerge from this reorganization.  But first, Geithner should be sacked.  Get rid of all insiders in the new government.  That, you could call &lt;em&gt;change&lt;/em&gt;.  Otherwise, Obama is bullshitter extraordinaire.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheer, et al. cited in above-linked article have it bang-on.</p>
<p>Moreover, the banks should not only reorganized on a pre-Graham-Belisle basis , but the government should take over the investment banks that emerge from this reorganization.  But first, Geithner should be sacked.  Get rid of all insiders in the new government.  That, you could call <em>change</em>.  Otherwise, Obama is bullshitter extraordinaire.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion in Savannah</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827700</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion in Savannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Snort!  Now that you mention it…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snort!  Now that you mention it…</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827699</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;did you listen to yesterday’s hearing? if not you might give today’s a listen. geithner is as bad as any of the bush cronies. he didn’t tell us the banks are insolvent - even though we all know that must be the case. instead he’s demanding that we pick up the tab, but we don’t even get to know why or much of anything else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it’s a massive crime. but worse he setting us up to fail. i see no way his plan can work - but i do see him bankrupting the rest of us in the process. oh, and did you hear him say that spending all this money will require us bringing down the cost of SS and medicare? entitlement reform is on the table.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but he did go to the mat to make sure the zombie bankers could all keep their nice jobs and fat bonuses. i wish i knew how to describe how much i despise geithner.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you listen to yesterday’s hearing? if not you might give today’s a listen. geithner is as bad as any of the bush cronies. he didn’t tell us the banks are insolvent &#8211; even though we all know that must be the case. instead he’s demanding that we pick up the tab, but we don’t even get to know why or much of anything else.</p>
<p>it’s a massive crime. but worse he setting us up to fail. i see no way his plan can work &#8211; but i do see him bankrupting the rest of us in the process. oh, and did you hear him say that spending all this money will require us bringing down the cost of SS and medicare? entitlement reform is on the table.</p>
<p>but he did go to the mat to make sure the zombie bankers could all keep their nice jobs and fat bonuses. i wish i knew how to describe how much i despise geithner.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827696</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wouldn’t be too tough on Geithner.  He is trying to square a circle, and we all know how hard that is.  In fact, we (and he) ought to know that it’s impossible.  A big piece of the banking system is insolvent, and there’s no way past that 900-pound gorilla that doesn’t involve somebody somewhere taking the hit.  Right now, the hit is like a hot potato.  Everybody wants to shovel it off on somebody else, and nobody wants to be the last person to handle it.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Joe Stiglitz had it right in his interview on TPM.  The government should just let the banks go into title 11, screw the shareholders and the lenders, and let the refinancing take its own course.  Good work for lawyers, too.  Depositors will be protected, but unfortunately not the pension funds (which belong to you and me).  The hit is going to hurt people all across the social spectrum.  I could accept socializing the losses, if the marginal tax rates on incomes above $500,000 were back at 90 percent.  There’s no reason why the poor should pay for this fiasco.  But whatever the case, somebody is going to have to take the hit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn’t be too tough on Geithner.  He is trying to square a circle, and we all know how hard that is.  In fact, we (and he) ought to know that it’s impossible.  A big piece of the banking system is insolvent, and there’s no way past that 900-pound gorilla that doesn’t involve somebody somewhere taking the hit.  Right now, the hit is like a hot potato.  Everybody wants to shovel it off on somebody else, and nobody wants to be the last person to handle it.  </p>
<p>I think Joe Stiglitz had it right in his interview on TPM.  The government should just let the banks go into title 11, screw the shareholders and the lenders, and let the refinancing take its own course.  Good work for lawyers, too.  Depositors will be protected, but unfortunately not the pension funds (which belong to you and me).  The hit is going to hurt people all across the social spectrum.  I could accept socializing the losses, if the marginal tax rates on incomes above $500,000 were back at 90 percent.  There’s no reason why the poor should pay for this fiasco.  But whatever the case, somebody is going to have to take the hit.</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827695</link>
		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What do you mean? They don’t seem particularly weird to me…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then obviously it’s just me; I think ‘Keebler’ every time I see him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What do you mean? They don’t seem particularly weird to me…</p>
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<p>Then obviously it’s just me; I think ‘Keebler’ every time I see him.</p>
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		<title>By: ironranger</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827694</link>
		<dc:creator>ironranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When I first read the Draft Stormy Daniels story, I wondered why that name sounded familiar. Then I remembered reading about her &amp; others in the same line of work in “The Book of Vice: Very Naughty Things” by Peter Sagal, host of NPR’s “Wait, Wait..Don’t Tell Me”.&lt;br /&gt;
Sagal writes about the dinner he &amp; his wife had with Stormy &amp; others famous in the field.&lt;br /&gt;
Sagal is a hysterically funny writer. Many LOL moments in his book.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first read the Draft Stormy Daniels story, I wondered why that name sounded familiar. Then I remembered reading about her &amp; others in the same line of work in “The Book of Vice: Very Naughty Things” by Peter Sagal, host of NPR’s “Wait, Wait..Don’t Tell Me”.<br />
Sagal writes about the dinner he &amp; his wife had with Stormy &amp; others famous in the field.<br />
Sagal is a hysterically funny writer. Many LOL moments in his book.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/11/early-morning-swim-93/#comment-1827693</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Senate side has Reid and the chairmen and ranking members of appropriations and finance. The House has four dems and one repub.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Senate side has Reid and the chairmen and ranking members of appropriations and finance. The House has four dems and one repub.</p>
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