Treasury Secretary Geithner has pushed back his announcement of the details of his plan to stabilize the banks to Tuesday, wishing not to throw another controversy into the middle of Congress’ debate on the stimulus.
The details of Geithner’s plan are as important as the details of the stimulus. This crisis was precipitated by problems in the financial sector and the contraction of credit makes a real recovery difficult, if not impossible.
According to Bloomberg, Geithner’s plan may involve the following:
The Treasury may increase its stake in lenders that are judged short of capital, the people said on condition of anonymity. Should extra taxpayer funds result in majority ownership by the government, officials would then decide whether to liquidate the institutions, place them into receivership or retire the companies’ assets over time, they said.
Sounds good, but the question here is how much equity they will require for money. In the past, money given or loaned has been much larger than the required equity and the equity taken has been in preferred non-voting shares. If Treasury is willing to go dollar for dollar and to take voting shares, then this is a good idea. At the very least, if the government winds up with 51% ownership then it should insist on having the majority of the board members and using those board members to appoint its own CEO. That may not be official receivership, but it amounts to nationalization, which is only reasonable if the government has spent more than half the stock value of the company.
In a second key feature of the plan, the Federal Reserve will likely expand what is now a $200 billion program to revive consumer loans, according to two people briefed on the talks.
Again, not a bad idea, but if the Fed continues only to support the secondary market and rely on banks to make consumer loans when the banks are seeking to reduce their exposure, this may not work very well. The Fed may well need either to loan directly or to have the FDIC take over a major bank and use that bank to do the loaning. Another good idea is to rewrite mortgages:
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has told Democratic lawmakers that banks tapping a U.S. rescue fund will be required to modify mortgages and help borrowers avoid foreclosure, according to a person at a briefing.
The problem here is that many problem mortgages were securitized and are not owned by the banks. Banks can’t modify those loans without permission from the owners of the securities and that permission has proved very difficult to get. This is the gordian knot of this financial crisis. Unless Congress is willing to write legislation to allow such modification without owner permission, most problem mortgages cannot have their terms reduced without exposing banks or the government to lawsuits. Then there’s the question of what to do with bad assets on the banks’ books:
Officials are also considering ways to deal with the toxic assets clogging banks’ balance sheets, where the debate has moved away from the creation of a so-called bad bank, which some lawmakers have called too costly. Guaranteeing the securities may offer a cheaper option.
Bad banks weren’t necessarily a bad idea, as long as they were also combined with nationalization, so that taxpayers had all of the upside. A bad bank without nationalization exposed taxpayers to all the risk and very little of the upside, even if the government did take some form of equity. If the government takes assets off the banks for more than they’re worth without also taking control, it’s both a bad bank, and a bad idea.
The question with insurance is setting rates. It is impossible to set rates accurately without doing a proper audit of banks’ assets. If you do set rates accurately, then the savings for banks are minimal because insurance done right doesn’t save money, it either shifts the burden to a larger group or it shifts the savings in time. If banks that don’t have a lot of bad assets are forced to pay higher premiums than their own books would require, you spread the pain amongst the entire sector, and that might work. Otherwise there are no real savings for the banks that need it worse. (To give an oversimplified example: if I think there’s a 50% chance of default on $100 loan, I have to charge you $50. Take 10 loans like that and charge $500, and where’s the savings for the bank?) Insurance works before things go bad, when we don’t know who exactly is going to take the losses and no individual insured is massively more likely to take the loss, or it works if you’re just willing to brute force socialize the risk.
So either Geithner has to charge less for insurance than it should be worth, or he has to make healthy financial institutions pay for weak ones. And if he doesn’t do real underwriting and auditing of the books of banks, even if he wants to, he won’t be able to set prices accurately.
What this means is that "insuring" losses could very easily turn into an open ended guarantee that might as well just be a gift.
(For more details on how to do insurance and bank valuation right, see this article.)
Overall these ideas aren’t bad ones, but the devil is going to be very much in the details. Do these things correctly and they could help a great deal, refuse to really take equity for money or to change laws with regards to securitized mortgages and it may do much less than one would hope, at very great expense.



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Good Morning: Do you suppose there’s any chance that Geithner will deign to listen to Elizabeth Warren before he inks this deal?
Something I’ve been saying for a long time, this whole bank failure is the fault of the auditing profession. CEOs, politicians, regulators, investors all have different agendas, but the auditors should concern themselves with
1. Truth and
2. GAAP
They were in position to stop this crap, and paid by shareholders to stop it. They did nothing.
Now, we are to presume that they are able to correctly assess risk?
Iv’e never seen a convincing argument that the banks ever needed a red cent from any taxpayers. Bluntly, screw the banks. I don’t have any friends but I know at least fifty poor to middlin’ people that really need a ‘capital infusion’.
Ian Welsh:
Let me offer you a piece of anecdotal evidence of how insolvent the banks are. About six months ago I did a balance transfer of about $2500, with a transaction fee of 3%, with Citibank with a 0% rate for twelve months. Last week they sent me a letter that they would pay me a credit of 10% on any amount above the minimum payment for the next few months, up to a limit of a $250 credit. I happened to have the money this year, so I paid the thing off. I will have netted about 3 or 4% from them over the twelve month period. They will have paid me to borrow their money because they are evidently so desperate for cash. I suppose they are trying to stave off being exposed as insolvent as long as they can, i.e., until we bail them out. Either that or their executives want to run off with as much loot as they can.
I posted this in your previous thread’s comments section, but it was pretty late in the game. I’ve been trying to figure out the dynamics at play in paying for this thing…
The problem with the auditors who do the actual work (in public accounting) is that they take their marching orders from the partners, and the partners are not going to walk away from clients who can be billed out in the millions of dollars. Hence, when push comes to shove, they too often look the other way. Arthur Andersen’s role in the Enron case comes immediately to mind. The partner wasn’t going to tell a $52 million-dollar client to go pound sand…which is what he should have done.
here’s my plan for “stabalizing banks”
BREAK THEM THE FRIG UP!!!
and STOP giving them MY money for THEIR frigging GAMNLING DEBTS
there, that’s my plan
now, here’s what needs to happen;
banks need to get OUT of the gambling busness and back into the loaning business, they need to make a SET profit over prime and THAT’S IT
if they want to conduct gambling excursions then open a frigging casino or stock firm
as far as any of this “bailout money”, that needs to go to PEOPLE, the banks can make a SMALL premium on top of the government loan but it MUST be set by the government and THAT’S IT.
there, that’s the plan that will work
same thing is going to happen with my leased car
at the end of the lease the buyout will be far less then the amount I would have payed if I bought the car with cash
I keep getting blank checks from them inviting me to transfer other balances at 0%. Meanwhile after their TARP receipts they raised rates on my account so I paid it off. Weirdness!
Meanwhile after their TARP receipts they raised rates on my account so I paid it off.
Did the same thing to me, so I paid it off as well. Will only use the card for emergencies now.
Their business model of our truly depraved financial elites for the past decade has been to lend out a lot of money for free, or almost for free, in the expectation that they could reel in enough people unable to pay after the introductory rate. I have more sympathy for Bolshevism these days than I used to.
Exactly.
Before Kenny Boy went to Enron, he was the number 2 guy at a company where I was an internal auditor. I found that they were cooking books, with Arthur Anderson supplying the justification. I have been out of that profession for some time.
Solution. Auditors are chosen by lot for a three year maximum from a list of firms able to handle the scope. Smaller firms are brought up so that the pool of auditors is sufficient to keep an engagement to a one time every thirty years or so. If a company fails, so do the auditors.
BO is fighting the corp’s (that are laying off workers) that he wouldn’t take campaign dollars from?
At which time the auditors get a job with the SEC?
The rescue of the banks should include the passage of this simple law that has worked so well for Sweden:
h/t Selise: http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3538
Perris,
A brilliant plan of no appeal to bankers who want to earn super huge profits and party hearty. These are not the conservative bankers of old. They are the young who want to drive Lamborghinis, fast women and cigarette boats.
We should do this with congress critters too. Think how much shrub and shooter would owe. Then again, we wouldn’t be in this position.
Question Fox News bought the WallStreet Journal with loans and put up its own stock as collateral for the loans. That stock has since gone down in value.
The banks if the stock price stays low will have to ask for more stock as collateral for those loans. Think Collapse of Enron Blockbuster still has that Enron movie I think on the shelves.
In other words if the economy does not go up. If the Stimulus Plan fails well are the banks that gave Fox News the loan getting bailout money?
Under this new round of lending will we tax payers have majority control of the banks that loaned the money to Fox News?
Will we own Fox?
I seriously doubt the effectiveness of the Friedman/Bernanke “helicopter drop” scenario, when the money is dropped on those in a position to save it, especially banks. My reason is that money is an excellent investment when the price of almost everything else, especially investment opportunities, is going down — you’ll get more for your money a month from now. And loans are a particularly bad investment, because so many people and institutions are going backrupt. Money dropped on those able to save it will not be put into circulation — that money will be like pooled blood, which doesn’t carry nutrients throughout the body.
Awoke this morning to a correspondent from Investors Business Daily on CSPAN who was asked about what kind of stimulus effect an edge towards universal care might have. The guy clearly had never considered such a socialist notion.
Right, paradox of thrift. I get that. What I don’t get is what that has to do with what I said. I’m not talking about helicopter money, I’m talking about the seemingly incorrect criticism that direct government spending in this case must be deficit spending.
I was listening to a great Dean Baker interview ysterday here:
http://will.illinois.edu/media…..ry-8-2009/
One of the things that I liked Baker saying was that the banks were bankrupt and it was for precisely that reason that they want the government to take their crap assets off them for more than they are worth (because this is what is making them bankrupt).
I agree. Everything else is kabuki. Neither Geithner nor Summers has put forward a single shred of evidence that banks will re-initiate normal lending under any conditions short of nationalization (where they could be forced to).
The amounts of money Treasury has at its disposal, while fabulous to us, barely scratch the surface of the problem. So basically, any more money it throws into banks is a continuation of Paulson’s policy of throwing good money after bad.
As for insurance, this seems entirely crazy to me. We know that these assets are overpriced (because this is what made banks insolvent in the first place) so guaranteeing a price on them is just a way for the government to buy into the con, and taking on a certain liability.
If the government insured them at their true price, then the banks would have to admit they’re bankrupt, sort of defeating the point of the plan.
So to recap this plan:
Keeps in place the same failed bank leadership
Is too small to recapitalize banks effectively, and so wastes money
Guarantees that the government will take on a lot of debt unnecessarily.
Is no one in Washington capable of coherent thought anymore?
Reaganism has Americans so indoctrinated. BTW did you see the cover article for Newsweek: “We’re all socialists now”? http://www.newsweek.com/id/183663?from=rss
As you mentioned in your earlier post:
Helicopter Ben has been running his printing press to the tune of about $1.1 trillion since the beginning of the crisis. In his 2002 speech to the federal reserve, he outlined exactly what he would do in such a situation and how he’d implement his “printing press.” Here’s a link to the text of that speech: http://www.federalreserve.gov/…..efault.htm
No.
This has been another episode …
Agreed Banks must get used to earning lower profits by making sane loans. If a bank wants to be a financial firm they risk going under.
So in order to prevent this from happening again banks should be separate from financial firms.
Banks can have stock firms work with the bank so customers can buy stock but no ownership and a limit on how much the banks can loan any such firm.
LOL but painfully. It’s like we are on bus on a superhighway to Depression and the bus driver keeps blowing by all of the offramps that might take us somewhere else.
I’ve never seen anything like this in my life. I am mostly speechless nowadays because I have nothing new to say. It seems like all the pols are short-suited in exactly the perfect places for a disaster.
Ian,
With permission I have copied a comment from an earlier diary. I have known the commenter all her life (raised her). This is her first comment here at FDL. She graduated Summa Cumme Laude 1982 from Univ TX Austin with degree in sociology. She works long hours and has a family to care for, so can only blog at night when all other duties have been attended to.
She and I would appreciate your views on her comment.
Here’s my 2 cents worth:
To even begin to effectively comprehend this massive meltdown scheme you must begin by asking who would benefit most from such conditions and then try to ferret out what the ultimate strategy behind such a huge magnitude of crisis is, how it is being orchestrated, and what it is meant to accomplish for those same entities. The immense scope of this economic collapse is clearly being managed by global corporate and banking interests that are determined to centralize control over every aspect of human existence.
In the words of Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826,”I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies. …If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency…the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered” and in the words of
Sir Josiah Stamp 1880-1941, “If you want to remain slaves of the bankers, and pay for the costs of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control the nations credit”
If you still have doubts about this globalization concept just take the time to really listen to the political leaders comments at the 2009 Davos World Economic Forum.(
see link- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33v7Z0d60D8)
Please give special attention to Prime Minister Brown’s comments (approximately 21 minutes into the vidio clip link).
The success of this globalization strategy largely depends on Americans willingness to accept the necessity of massive govenmental change & concede our sovereign rights via duress, coercion, and FEAR tactics that keep us so bogged down by survival mentality and stress that we don’t have the clarity to see what is being done to us with our own resources. The “global architecture” these men discuss as a necessity and the inclusion of the IMF (International Monetary Fund) oversight that comes along with such tactics represents the most assured means of destruction of human rights & civil liberties than has ever before been perpetrated.
tx49holdem
I was on the public side for several years, also. I concur with your assessment. I’ve always thought that CPA firms need to be insulated in some way if they happen to uncover errors or irregularities. The way the system works right now, however, is that gray areas are handled with a floor of attorneys (who can pretty much rationalize anything), and then the adjustments are made…GAAP, SCHMAAP. Does the client pay? Yes? Then it’s a done deal.
Another example of the system being rigged. Put me down in the column that advocates stronger regulation across the spectrum.
LOL. i just transcribed the bit of that interview i think you are referring to. posted it in another thread, but i think it’s good enough to repost here:
thanks for recommending it. dean baker was great.
“Is no one in Washington capable of coherent thought anymore?”
It would certainly appear that way.
In that same excerpt I specifically cite government build out. Direct stimulus projects. Dumping the lone advantage of the liquidity trap into an accounting blackhole is precisely not the thing to do, but you are correct that it’s what we’ve been doing so far.
Thanks, that’s a great quote and neatly encapsulates the whole banking problem.
Why aren’t the republicans saying “I want capitalism to work, let the financial institutions go bankrupt?” It’s just corporate socialism if you just throw money at them. I say let those that treated their financial institutions like casino’s go broke. They have charged US the highest fees, interest and hidden costs, etc. for 2 decades just to give them selves big pay checks and bonuses. When one talks about a half a million dollar salary where does that money come from? It comes from us, and they are raising their fees in a depression. These people are nuts!
Right now we have the corporate socialism war going on against BO. He was voted in by the people and now the corporations want to control him. Who will win?
Every time I think abt this financial crisis I think about bad debt, etc.
BUT, millionaires and billionaires have money in bank accounts. How many wealthy people are at risk of losing their savings in these troubled banks? Are they getting their money out from our tax dollars? Is that why they don’t want us toknow the details? Has any one addressed this issue before? If the banks went bankrupt which rich folk would lose money from savings accounts since the FDIC only guarantee $200,000. And have any millionaires and billionaires lost some of their saving accounts?
think dirty, off-shore banks….numbered Swiss bank accounts, etc.
I would think many of the fat cats who should have been ruined but weren’t have money in Goldman Sachs “holding company”.
The guy who is top dog in Neimann-Marcus was interviewed on PBS last night. He said that his clients/customers were of the affluent class and had not suffered due to the meltdown.
I’d like to see Hank Paulson’s financial statement. He reportedly had lost about $350 million early on in the collapse. Has he recovered it out of the TARP?
Tax filing’s would know which bank acc sent statements for interest, etc.
There’s always a footprint it seems.