As we wait to see which of Israel’s hawks come out ahead in this week’s elections – and whether any of the challenges to the Iraqi provisional elections impact the results (which we’ve all been assured already demonstrate huge popular support for Maliki – let’s just not mention the fact that 49% of Iraqis did not vote because after all this is a great success for the Odierno surge and all that Petraeus COIN juice) – regular folks continue to die.
Yesterday it was an 8 year old girl in Iraq, killed when “gunfire from an American military convoy struck a crowd of Shiite pilgrims traveling to the holy city of Karbala…”
It was unclear how the shooting on Saturday began. Col. Asaad Malek, the commander of a joint American and Iraqi military outpost in Diwaniya, said the Americans were protecting a convoy of fuel trucks when they stopped to attend to a disabled vehicle.
The road was crowded with pilgrims heading to Karbala, witnesses said. Salah Mon’em, 26, who was wounded, said the patrol sounded horns to keep the crowds at bay. Before he realized what was happening, he said, “I fell down because of a bullet that hit me.”
Jassim Hassan, a 25-year-old college student, described a scene of chaos and confusion. “I don’t know how all of this happened and I can’t remember a thing because everything was so fast and sudden,” he said.
After the short burst of gunfire, Sa’adiya Saddam, 8, collapsed on the ground by her wailing mother, witnesses said.
Her brother, Hussein, also 8, said, “We didn’t notice the Americans before the gun shooting started. My sister fell immediately, swimming in her own blood.”
The NYT reports that US representatives have apologized to the girl’s family and “begun the process of compensation.”
In Afghanistan, after 53 civilians were killed by US special forces in village raids in January, this month has already seen several more deaths. On Saturday:
One Afghani civilian was killed and two others were wounded when fired on by the US-led coalition troops in southeastern Afghanistan. … The troops signaled the driver of the fast car to stop but he did not, forcing the coalition troops to open fire on him in "self-defence", said the statement. The driver of the car was killed, a child was critically injured and a woman, who received minor injuries.
And last week six men were killed in a US village raid. Local officials say they were farmers from two families, US officials say they were “militants.”
The UK government – in a move all too reminiscent of our own “concern” over civilian casualties — has arrested a Colonel … for releasing Afghan civilian casualty figures to the UN and Human Rights Watch (h/t Cernig)
As Robert Fisk asked the other week, When did we stop caring about civilian deaths during wartime?
Video: Newly uploaded to Youtube by a source I am not familiar with. The date and location are uncertain but if legit, it’s another example of why leaving residual forces in Iraq for "training" is a very bad idea.



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Hello and thank you Siun.
By the way, Muntathar al Zaid’s trial has been set for 2/19. He is facing a possible 15 years in prison for the shoe-toss.
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Thanks, Siun
Bob in HI
Evening gang!
Dealing with a sick puppy here so a bit distracted.
I’m not sure of much about that video except that it looks real (location, participants, etc) though my guess is that it’s from a year or so ago? any thoughts out there?
15! Unbelievable.
when did subjugating conquered territory in the pursuit of imperial expansion become so complicated? I mean, the invade-slaughter-subjugate-tax model worked so well for, oh, 5,000 years or so…
Odierno and Petraeus need to be fired. That’ll shut up Lindsey Graham with his talk on the Senate floor about Obama being a “well-intentioned young man.” You need to show these bastards some brass.
The Kyrgyz government has refused to renew the lease on the Manas air base that NATO uses to supply troops in Afghanistan after US forces, in the latest incident, shot and killed a truckdriver who had a knife on the front seat of his truck. He wasn’t in the truck at the time and he regularly made deliveries to the base.
Maybe Obama will be forced to disengage from Afghanistan but then that removes the “stimulus” that a war economy produces.
Where will that leave our economy?
hehe. maybe Graham can get us into a real war with somebody that requires us to actually deplete and thus build lots an’ lots of long-range bombers, killer satellites, Star Wars systems, aircraft carriers, and intercontinental ballistic missiles. Russia? China? The entire rest of the world altogether? The cylons (that’s it.. let’s BUILD an enemy worth fighting)? An interstellar alien threat? Oh, woops. Wasn’t that the Mitt Romney stimulus plan? No domestic infrastructure stmulus, just a lot of military expansionism instead?
Hope your pup feels better soon, Siun.
James – do you have a link for the Kyrgyz info – I had not seen that and would really appreciate it!
Thanks Teddy … she’s mending but it’s no fun …
and a very big sick puppy takes very big care!
when do we get results of the election? sunnis didn’t show up much did they?
He won’t be sentenced for more than a year and likely gets 30 days.
All in all, it was pretty amazing that the Secret Service didn’t end up shooting the daft bastard.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI…..index.html
You want to fire generals because you don’t like a Senator?
Thank you – I had not seen a mention of the killing before – really appreciate this!
British Colonel:
One of the peculiarities of US law, is that, I believe, it claims to cover US citizens wherever they are in the world.
I believe UK law does not apply to UK citizens not in the UK. Especially the Official Secrets Act (used to protect the Government from informed criticism).
So if the UK Colonel was in Afghanistan, its hard to see how he broke UK law. The story is not clear on the location of the alleged breach.
Over and over again, we hear, “the American government or the American military apolozied for the killing. Just how do you apologize for killing someone’s spouse or child? This is usually murder or negligent homicide or manslaughter as the very least. We give them a few bucks and all is supposed to be forgiven. Put yourself in the Iraqis shoes. We are creating generations of enemies by our occupation. Irreputable damage has already been done. The sooner we get out, the better.
me neither. couple of years ago, i guess
me neither. couple of years ago, i guess
Well said …
And the payments – often as little as a few hundred for a child, up to $2500 for an adult male – are insulting and often refused.
Negotiations are on ongoing between the US and Russia to open supply lines and to destroy nuclear weapons. Russia wins this round, so to speak. Russia, not the US, will control the ‘war’ by contolling the supplies needed by NATO. The US is pissed, but can’t do anything about it. I would imagine that Russia paid them to close the base.
Negotiations are ongoing to use Asian/Russian territory for a new supply line, or lines. Obama sent Kissinger to talk to Russia, in December. There is always something going on that MSM doesn’t tell people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..Obama.html
I hope nobody missed Laura’s Oxdown. It’s so wonderful.
Last Wednesday’s edition of Fresh Air consisted of a couple of excellent conversations with Sarah Chayes and Ahmed Rashid covering the current situations on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
It’s seriously bad.
Actually, I’m asounded that the Iraqi’s didn’t give him a medal! Is it too late for us to correct the oversight?
Evenin’ Pups!
Insulting yes, but also an exposure of the fact that it is a lie when they say they don’t keep a count of civilian deaths. Yes, they do.
why are we in the business of valuing adult males more than women or children? Actuarial basis? Mysogeny?
Same thing my kid said. I’m unsure one with the proper design is available.
Tradition!
Yes.
Trying to wrap my head around the ghoulish practice of offering up financial compensation for the dead. It is unimaginable.
I expect there’s some morose humor going on in the US military – who drew the short straw and had to visit this abomination on families. Jeez, families.
As the American public sits still for this, I hope they imagine what their reaction would be if this particular knock came to their door.
Obama sent Kissinger to talk to Russia, in December.
Jeebus.. i realy need two hands to type/express my outrage at these three words. Obama sent Kissinger
A gold medal with an image of a shoe with golden wings on it, and inscribed around the perimeter “With the Thanks of a Grateful Nation”…
Ah, yes, those ‘insurgents’ that get blamed for attacks. Killing civilians plus torture gives the excuse to stay and kill some more civilians. A make war/work project of sorts. The MIC applauds.
The only place Obama should send Kissinger is The Hague.
I missed something. What?
Yup, the biggest American war criminal of all time. Doesn’t exactly make one feel warm and cozy, does it?
think of it as a stimulus package
sounds like we’re attaching Taliban or tribal values to own behavior in the field. Oh, I forgot. The rethugs and the Taliban ate one and the same these days, sayeth Rep. Sessions (Taliban-Texas)
…and election to the Order of Hermes?
And a few million ghosts, the victims of death squads, would agree with you. Kissinger has a ban on releasing his records for five years after he is dead. Must be some real good stuff in there if he needs to be dead for five before the world is sickened.
Ouch!
After all the times we heard PEBO say before inauguration day… one president at a time.. he was dealing with Kissinger!
I was asking about the policy basis behind Suin’s comment, where she was pointing out that the US military is apparently paying out differetial compensation by the gender anbage of our innocent airstrike victims.
It is wonderful. I just listened Again.
I’m jammin’.
Great song. Great Version.
Thanks again, Laura D.
out of curiousity, does anybody know whether we paid compensation to collateral victims of our military actions in Vietnam? All before my time, I’m afraid…..
Who? (that whoosh you hear is the sound of your allusion zoomin’ straight over my hed)
Not directly, sometimes quietly, sometimes through the Vietnamese govt.
Payment of compensation for wrongful death is a very old practice, once nearly universal. It was common throught Europe, including the British Isles.
It’s a practice still in vogue in many parts of the Islamic World. I’ve seen it mentioned as still being practiced in Iran and other parts of the Gulf.
Hermes. Mercury. The messenger god with the wings on his sandals.
The Afghanistan government has been negotiating with the Taliban for over a month now. Attempts are being made to give them a place in government. If they agree to peace, then what? That is why you are now hearing in the MSM that the US is not happy with the Afghan government. Don’t forget that the head is a PNAC signer and that his brother is a big time drug dealer. Oh, my, the CIA is so not going to like this peace initiative. Poppy Bush is not smiling, either, I’m sure.. The one good thing that happened under the rule of the Taliban is that they had almost eradicated the poppy fields.
In January, the head of NATO gave an illegal order to shoot to kill anyone suspected of being in the drug trade.
If it was peace that was the goal, rather than the oil pipeline, then it would be easy enough to buy the crops from the farmers.
http://www.spiegel.de/internat…..83,00.html
http://www.poppyformedicine.net/
Um. There must be something that we can’t understand/comprehend/agree to.
Things are getting interesting.
I keep on reading this shit so you guys don’t have to..’g’..Calm down..I can hear your blood pressure rising..it will make your sore fingers throb…
D’oh!
Thanks.
this is readily becoming an international clusterf*ck of a zoo isn’t it? So Nato’s going to be trying to assassinate the same people we’ll be trying to deal with? Does anybody here have a brain cell?
That has always been the true intent..perpetual war in the Middle East and the US gaining control of the world’s oil supply. No more, no less, than that. The fruition of 60 years or more of planning..PNAC just made it official policy on paper.
If every Iraqi and every Afghani stopped fighting NATO tomorrow, there still would not be peace. It is not the goal. If you understand that, then everything begins to make sense.
teddy is a couple flights upstairs
Simple explanation for the price. Men are usually the providers. When women and children die, the US views it as the loss of non financially important members of a family. When the father dies, the women must live on the money given to them by the US. Sadaam supported widows..can’t say the US does the same. They give a payment and then walk away.
Siun, where’d you get the video?
Saddam must have loved Iraqi widows, or why would he have created so many?
It showed up on youtube, uploaded this week … the person who uploaded it seems to specialize in Islamic topics but the video looks pretty real … still, that’s all I know so I noted it since I can’t vouch for it further.
I’d love to know more if anyone has thoughts on it.
It was pretty funny for a hoax.
If it was a motivational speech, it wasn’t quite emotional enough.
Coughlin of the NFL Giants would’ve shown more fire.
Since we appear to be all alone, care to offer any thoughts on WTF is going on with the UN & Hamas?
what specifically are you referring too?
The suspension of aid by the UNRWA.
Siun..if you didn’t see it..you were the topic on diary earlier today.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3512#Respond
Not too shocking of a video because US forces taunt Iraqi and Afghani children, too. If they despise the children; they would despise the adults. YouTube has more videos like these.
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Iraqi Kids Begging For Water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
Iraqi kid learning some great english
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
US soldiers sing with iraqi children “F*ck Iraq”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
What US Soldiers are teaching the Afghani Children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
Sounds like a desperate, crazed sub teacher who has lost control and lashing out. Yeah, verbal abuse will work well. What a dangerous shame.
This is wrong. Iraq has lots of oil money to support widows and children. Why is Iraq’s money controlled by the US?
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” Iraq’s state minister for women’s affairs, Nawal al-Samarraie, has quit to protest a lack of resources for a daunting task – improving the lives of “a full army of widows” and other women left poor or abandoned by war. She said her budget was slashed from $7,500 to $1,500 per month – part of overall government spending cuts prompted by plunging oil prices. “
http://www.dallasnews.com/shar…..6f610.html
” The United Nations established the IAMB to watchdog the Development Fund for Iraq, where all oil proceeds are deposited, as well as the leftovers of the Oil-for-Food program and other assets. Ninety-five percent of Iraq’s oil revenue is deposited in the DFI, with 5 percent dedicated to compensation of victims of the 1991 Gulf War.
” Two DFI accounts are kept at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. One, of about $30 billion, is untouched in order to buoy the Iraqi dinar’s value. The other is where all of Iraq’s government expenditures are drawn from. “
http://www.iraqoilreport.com/2…..raqi-team/
Things remain the same in Gaza, too. Even when other groups fire rockets, Hamas is attacked. Israel does not acknowledge Hamas as the government of Gaza, but then they say they are when it is convenient to justify attacks.
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“As the sole authority in the Gaza Strip, Hamas bears full responsibility for all terror activities originating within its area of control,” the army said in a communique it released after the IAF strikes. “
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1062742.html
The Jewish Internet Defense Force is actively censoring you tube. I think it would be wise to save any videos that expose Israel’s attacks on the Palestinians. History is going to disappear.
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http://www.thejidf.org/2008/02…..ideos.html
Fear not, we make more history than we can consume.
” The United Nations said on Monday that Hamas has returned all of the aid supplies that it seized from the agency in the Gaza Strip last week. “
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1062802.html
” A Short History of the Israeli – Palestinian Conflict: Past Is Prologue “
by Stephen Lendman
” Its roots are from the late 19th century when Theodor Herzl founded modern Zionism at the First Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland in 1897. “
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i…..;aid=12223
What’s this got to do wth what’s happening now?
It’s quite possible to produce statements by Islamists saying that the world will be consumed by war until the triumph of Islam over the world’s entirety.
The actions of the great majority of people are governed by things quite other than ideology.
Popping in before comments close. Thanks to folks for the heads up on the discussion at Oxdown. The Hamas question is interesting though the available information is a bit unclear and I have been trying to sort it out between taking care of sick puppy and keeping up with some intensive regular work demands.
Macaquerman – sorry to have missed your message above!
Don’t sweat it. Hope your pup is up and about soon.