Speaker Pelosi, the lads in the Senate left a big mess to clean up: they’ve bagged up more than 50 billion stimulus dollars for coal and nukes. Like addicts everywhere, the coal and nuke junkies will starve families and steal from strangers to keep the fixes going. Speaker Pelosi, how can we help you stop the deal from going down?
The Senate voted to waste 50 billion on loan-guarantee subsidies for nuclear power plants and 4.6 billion on an all-expenses paid hunt for the "clean coal" unicorn. It appears their donors got exactly what they paid for. Everyone’s happy, right?
Well, except the everybodies who needed the 40 billion the Senate took from education, the 40 billion cut from the states’ need to keep unemployment checks and medicaid going as jobs evaporate, the five billion cut from COBRA, and the one billion cut from Head Start. And the everybodies who need jobs: the dollars the Senate wants to give away to the nuke and coal industry would create only a fraction of the jobs the same money could create in health and education. [The everybodies who need jobs need them now: health care and education spending makes jobs this year: the nuke subsidies wouldn't see any new plants til at least 2020.] Oh – and the everybodies in the future. "Clean" coal and nukes are the most costly, least efficient, and most toxic paths to carbon-free energy.
Professor Mark Jacobson at Stanford gives us the first "cradle to grave" comparison of energy sources. Speaker Pelosi, even though the Senate ignored Jacobson, the rest of us can’t afford to:
"Coal with carbon sequestration emits 60- to 110-times more carbon and air pollution than wind energy, and nuclear emits about 25-times more carbon and air pollution than wind energy," Jacobson said. In fact, because carbon capture requires a roughly 25-percent increase in energy from the coal plant, about 25 percent more coal is needed, increasing mountaintop removal and increasing non-carbon air pollution from power plants, he said.
[snip]
Finally, both coal and nuclear energy plants take much longer to plan, permit and construct than do most of the other new energy sources that Jacobson’s study recommends. The result would be even more emissions from existing nuclear and coal power sources as people continue to use comparatively "dirty" electricity while waiting for the new energy sources to come online, Jacobson said.
Gee: few new jobs for over a decade, most wasteful, and relatively deadly. What’s not to like about wasting 55 billion of stimulus for that? For the 300 million Americans who aren’t King Coal, Mr Burns, or a Senate member, just about everything.
Speaker Pelosi, can we help you take back the 55 billion in our money to use for us, not the usual suspects? They’ve destroyed enough lives already. The rest of us want to live — and work. Taking back the 55 billion to spend on our kids and families and neighbors will help us do that. How can we help you do it, Madame Speaker?
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The paring down of the Senate bill makes it abundantly clear (as if we needed proof) whose interests the folks on the Hill really serve.
Hi folks!
(and crickets)
docta, docta!
that’ll be a new use of the conference process… but an interesting one. Anyone more familiar that I am about Hill rules of procedure care to clarify how this might be done?
Amazingly enough, the Senators’ actions serve their billionaire owners. Who could have anticipated?
(congrats on the zed!)
Somebody pointed out the other day that the House Repubs are the political wing of the American Ruling Class. Unfortunately so is the whole Senate (both parties).
Kirk how ya doing tonight?
DIGG has Been Opened Pups!
Hiya Kirk!
Don’t you mean to address your concerns to Congresswoman Pelosi? As if she pays any attention to us constituents anymore!
Hot Dayam! It’s been awhile, Dr. Kirk! ;-)
Aloha!
Great question. I’d love to know, too.
This NYT article looks at (one aspect of) the conflicts between the two versions, but doesn’t get into conference mechanics….
FWIW I’m informed from one of last night’s threads that while there will indeed be votes post-conference, those votes WILL NOT be subject to Filibuster.
hi newtonusr – mac on! hey nahant! hi Teddy – forgot she’s our congresswoman. Guess that’s cause she’s so responsive (cough).
Aloha, CT – how’re the stars doing!
Thanks!
I’m not yet convinced the gutted (of useful content) bill will pass in the Senate. Sounds like if it squeaks by, it will be by one vote. Kind of ties the hands of the House when they try to reconcile the differences. Bottom line, the package will probably be undermined further, most Republicans will still oppose it and assuming the economy is remains in the tank, use it to whup on the Dems in the midterm elections.
that actually sounds like good news, but i’m woefully ignorant of Congressional procedure…..
that’s my understanding too, which means that the house will have a difficult time getting back stuff the senate took away, but, on the hand, its a little easier, just to use the conference process to pare more stuff out.. like the nuke stuff. The problem as I understand it, is that the rethugs will likely demand that something they don’t like be pared back as well in a quid pro quo, and I wouldn’t want to see much more paring of the stuff that we would like to see in the bill.
Where is Al Gore when we need him on the Clean Coal issue? He was calling on the youth of America to do whatever it takes, including civil disobedience, to fight this tragic myth.
Calling Al Gore…..
nahant, my better half is headed to see a cardiologist with a stent or bypass surgery being anticipated… Any thoughts, with ya’ll’s experience with it…? *g*
The missus has started to realize the full scope… 8-(
Betcha the Senate will pass the Collins/Lieberman/Nelson version and adjourn. That’s playing chicken with the House; will they simply pass the final Senate version, will they pass something else and insist on a conference, will they pass their own new version and adjourn themselves, or will they all stay in session through the Presidents Day break?
Heaven forfend our hardworking public servants should miss their vacation, after being at work, what, five weeks with a long Inauguration Break Party-Time in the middle of that?!
Krugman sez:
great point.
Best wishes to you both. I hope the least invasive procedure achieves the desired results.
I believe conference bills are subject to point-of-order, therefore need 60 votes to overcome any objections to unanimous consent.
Heh, my run on Feb. 5th was called on ‘inclement’ weather… Blizzards atop Mauna Kea…! *g*
Hey CT – good luck and and good wishes for your missus (and you)!
Check out Congress Matters.
This is David Waldman, aka Kagro X.
You shriek into the wind, Kirk, as do we all. The human cash-register that is the Speaker cannot, or will not hear us. And if she could, she lacks the stern stuff of leadership. But I take your point.
This is now President Obama’s deal to save. Or not.
Me too, but I think it comes down to how effective the conference committee is in stripping ridiculous shit out of the bills. Unfortunately CNN said today that the reconciliation process has already started informally. That’s bad. If it waited until after the Senate bill passes, as usual, then the CC could slash away without worries of delaying or complicating the Senate vote.
Rush vs. Bama. Round One.
Mahalo, Doc and Ya’ll! Still da bestest community out there… By leagues even…! *g*
Harry got UC on a whole bunch of rules at the very end of the night last night. I think this was in there somewhere.
Deep thanks, Kirk, for all your dedication and hard work.
Looks like either way, we lose.
Wow. I sure am glad Obama started out negotiations with such a strong position. All that bargaining room has come in handy.
[/parallel universe snark]
((the CTs))
Not only are there $50 billion for nuclear power loan guarantees, they are trying to sneak in $1 billion to go to the nuclear weapons complex
http://pogoblog.typepad.com/po…..avior.html
You can contact the Senate about it here:
http://act.peaceactionwest.org…..d=12607681
Adie, thanks to you and the whole FDL community of commenters and readers.
No real credit here – Jane and Christy and our mods and techies and editors make this all possible. I just show up and play from time to time….
Yeah. Let’s start with a position of 30% tax breaks. Guys got nobody around him with collective bargaining experience?
And Ctuttle, all of the best wishes to you and your VALENTINE.
Fuck pelosi, reid, steny, lieberlooser. I’m so goddamned disgusted at the actions of these traitorous motherfuckers. Why are we allowing them to do this? The repugs must really have some damning evidence/info that they’re using to blackmail the dems. How else to explain it? It just doesn’t make any sense. Everyone I know is scratching their heads, asking WTF? We’re allowing the repukes to dictate policy? The same tired, failed policies that are responsible for the mess we’re in? Wait just a goddamned motherfucking minute.
Nahant, thanks for the digg! Folks, if you could digg that would be great. Maybe at least Pelosi’s staffers will read it…
The actual procedure for a stent or angioplasty is pretty straight forward and the recovery time is quick! Julie was able to go home the next day both times she had the procedure. She recovered very quickly, but has has been doing cardio-rehab for 2 months. And now she briskly walks 3 miles 3 times a week and is feeling great! Here is a link for more info. As an incentive I got her a Garmin Forerunner 305 so she can track her progress and upload it on to her computer.
As for by pass it is a much more invasive surgery and recovery times are longer. Julie’s dad had it done at 78 and he just turned 90 last October!! He is doing great, just getting to be an old codger these days, but shit he is 90 what can ya expect.
Oh also if you want give us a call and the girls can talk about the experience Julie had.
if al gore were a genuine leader, he would have made that call for civil disobedience at the same time he announced his march to a site that needed protesting and asked people to join him on the way. he is a rich and powerful man, with the social and financial resources to protect himself. he has no business asking young people to put far more at stake than he is apparently willing to do. but no, he’s entitled to his nice life testifying before congress – it’s other people who are supposed to take the risks and jail time.
i’ve been very disappointed in al gore starting about 2 years ago. he had about 4 golden years – from his don’t go to war speech in 2002 through about the end of 2006. but his call to on others to do whatever it takes, and his silence on the D’s fisa legislation (after that wonderful mlk day speech condemning bush for spying on americans wo a warrant). apparently gore is great when Rs are in office but turns into a pumpkin when Ds are. :(
I’m reminded of Rodney Dangerfield’s secret to looking slim… hang around with people who are fatter than you. All that is required for Nancy Pelosi to look like a leader is to stand next to Harry Reid.
Clean coal ?
How do you trap the carbon released by burning coal, when coal is nothing more than a lump of carbon?
Really. Check it out.
Kirk I always try and do my little bit to help get the word out and help the Lake(:>))
Clean coal is the coal you didn’t burn.
Great point. It’s why Shumer and Feinstein drag Sheldon Whitehouse to all the Judiciary Committee pressers… But it doesn’t explain Chimpy keeping Condi and Karen Hughes in tow for all those years.
Or perhaps it does.
Coal is way more than a lump of coal! Just ask the people who live in the mess that those coal ash ponds spewed all over!
Hey BB warmed up to the freezing temp yet??
Dugg Doc!
Turns out you don’t. I dunno, but the whole “clean coal” thing seems to be a thermodynamic scofflaw.
Ahhhh, now I can’t find where I heard that about no filibuster on the post-conference versions. Better disregard.
gonna be 50 tomorrow
And no ,I don’t wanna know how warm it is there !
Reached 60 here today. Welcome respite from the single digits and teens we’ve had for several weeks.
George Monbiot slams Gore for weakening Kyoto…
I have a tomato plant still trying to make more fruit if that is any indication, it is the second time this has happened. I guess I will just let it provide us with some early tomatoes!! /s
This seems like a good time to give a shout out to Credo. If you aren’t familiar with them, take a moment to find out what they’re about, and sign their petitions. You’ll be glad you did.
The Brits use the expression “black roof country ” to describe areas where coal is used to heat homes
Can someone confirm exactly what changed in the bill? CNN reported the following cuts [comments mine]:
• $1 billion for Energy Loan Guarantees [a good thing right, per Kirk?]
• $75 million from Smithsonian (original bill $150 million)
• $200 million from Environmental Protection Agency Superfund (original bill $800 million)
• $100 million from National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (original bill $427 million)
• $100 million from law enforcement wireless (original bill $200 million)
• $300 million from federal fleet of hybrid vehicles (original bill $600 million)
• $100 million from FBI construction (original bill $400 million)
• $55 million for historic preservation
• $122 million for Coast Guard polar icebreaker/cutters
• $100 million for Farm Service Agency modernization
• $50 million for Cooperative State Research, Education and Extension Service
• $65 million for watershed rehabilitation
• $100 million for distance learning
• $98 million for school nutrition
• $50 million for aquaculture
• $2 billion for national broadband infrastructure [this is a shame]
• $100 million for National Institute of Standards and Technology
• $50 million for detention trustee [?]
• $25 million for Marshalls Construction [wtf?]
• $300 million for federal prisons [a good thing, I’m assuming?]
• $300 million for BYRNE Formula grant program
• $140 million for BYRNE Competitive grant program
• $10 million state and local law enforcement
• $50 million for NASA
• $50 million for aeronautics
• $50 million for oil exploration [yay!]
• $50 million for Cross Agency Support [?]
• $200 million for National Science Foundation
• $100 million for other science programs
• $4.5 billion for General Services Administration
• $89 million General Services Administration operations
• $50 million from Department of Homeland Security [yay!]
• $200 million Transportation Security Administration [guess they don’t want to make airports safer after all]
• $122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use
• $25 million for Fish and Wildlife
• $55 million for historic preservation
• $20 million for working capital fund [?]
• $165 million for Forest Service capital improvement
• $90 million for State and Private Wildlife Fire Management
• $1 billion for Head Start/Early Start [ugh!!! criminals!]
• $5.8 billion for Health Prevention Activity
• $2 billion for Health Information Technology Grants
• $600 million for Title I (No Child Left Behind) [can’t we just repeal NCLB altogether?]
• $16 billion for school construction
• $3.5 billion for higher education construction
• $1.25 billion for project based rental
• $2.25 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization
• $1.2 billion for retrofitting Project 8 housing
• $40 billion for state fiscal stabilization (includes $7.5 billion of state incentive grants) [this is bad]
Be back Later, time to start cooking dinner. Real easy one! The famous one pot chicken with rice and veggies!!
LOL, for a second there I thought you meant tomorrow’s your birthday.
Heh, The better half respectively declines the invite… (I’m having issues with her talking to my mom about it, let alone Julie…!) Ironically, She speaks to my mom more than I, too…! *g*
just one of the reasons i said gore’s golden years didn’t start until 2002 *g*
Or didn’t extract either…! Mountain-top removal or otherwise…
LOL!
That sort of hits the nail on the head! There is no real way around this, maybe less carbon than older coal plants but you will still have emissions.
Huh. Didn’t know we had a Cross Agency. Seems a little Church-and-State-y, don’t it?
I heated my house with coal for about 5 years, several years ago.
Major cleaning of the house was needed afterwards!
Coal is a filthy fuel ,clean coal is a myth!!
Yep, leave it where it be.
I think it means IT systems for coordination between federal agencies.
I fear the 1 billion for Energy Loan Guarantees is a cut in green/renewables, but can’t find the linky at the moment….
good luck to you both CT.
Eighteen months till I reach that milestone !
dude
I hope all goes well.
Damn, you’re old! Nearly 2 1/2 years to go for me.
Mahalo, selise and newt!
What exasperates me with the cuts to the Bill all have the biggest impact on the poor and destitute… Headstart, Food stamps(SNAP), public schools, ad nauseum…! C’mon, wake the f*ck up, Marie Antoinette…! 8-(
CT you are having a run of tough events in your life
1. Lost home
2. Lost job…well sorta
3. Missus cut foot badly
4. Lost blog. Missus discovers heart condition that needs surgery
5. Noone has healthcare insurance?
6. Has to use dialup.
How can we help? Truly this is not the news we would wish for you. Mighty sorry. Much good wishes to you and your wife.
Geez I’m ancient compared to you !!
Hey folks – Peterr’s upstairs – thanks for your comments and diggs tonight!
New post—->
And always will be…:-)
Here!
Heading upstairs !
Brilliant post Dr. Murphy.
Did you send it to Nancy?
This needs to go to Pelosi in spades.
C if it helps, asking her respectfully for something specific.
I would THINK that she’d be open if she got hit with enough like requests.
FDL folk, step up to the plate here?
Maybe a petition?
hello?
Buehler????
Buehler?
Happy Birthday!
Mothers for peace should be all over this…please contact them to lobby against the nuke. The Tennessee coal dam break last months needs to be run up the flagpole.
He was actually referring to the outdoor temperature. Nice cake, though.
Well, Happy Snappy.
I haven’t read all the comments but actually, I do know something about this. My brother in law when in his 40’s had a mild heart attack and had a stent put in. After a short recovery period, he was as good as new. Truly. It was like a miracle. If there’s no heart damage, your wife will be 100% back to normal. Better, even. Good luck.
Thanks ,but I still got a little ways to go before I hit 50 ! June 2010
Don’t know if that’s a hat or a cake but it’s pretty awesome!
Heh, Thanx, bb, for your kind timeline…! *g*
I’m country boy that will survive…! However, I’m not adverse to accepting any and all, alms…! *g* I’ve a paypal account… Tuttlehilo@msn.com…! *g*
Nuclear power is clean, and produces ton of energy. All of Europe, and even Sweeden is now using it. Don’t liberals want the U.S. to be more like Europe? We can’t run our entire economy off of the wind. There’s not even an efficient method to store wind energy.
Who could eat such a fine piece of art ?
In this case it isn’t the production that pollutes it’s the waste that’s created .
Where do you put the spent fuel rods?
If someone could come up with a safe way to dispose of the spent rods I’d be more apt to support newcular power
You’re a persistent cuss, eh? Who’s banking on wind solely…? Besides, Repuglican T. Boone Pickens…? Solar is an instrumental piece…!
CT
email me at mary at dahothouse dot com
been there done that with mate having bypass surgery
Thanks for stopping by.
Why are nuke worshippers such socialists?
PowerLineFan, meet the free market.
oops – sorry for long comment. i was still trimming quote and hit “submit” instead of “preview”.
my bad.
Dear Dr. Murphy,
Could you please in the future write posts that contain more usable information than sarcasm and vitriol?
I know that most of the “commenters” here will agree with whatever you say, no matter what you say, but for those of us here who are actually looking for usable factual information, more would be helpful.
Thanks.
Kassandra has suspected all along that Pelosi, once out form under the foot of Emmanuel (if she is)would emerge as the new liberal leader who will keep Obama true to his principles; whether he like sit or not.
Pelosi was dead against the tax cuts and now look, they’ve bloomed in the elitist Senate to nearly half the bill. The stimulus has become political theater and I’m about as disgusted as I can be.
Whaddaya do, call her? Her peoples always ask if you’re a constituent. screw that, She’s the Speaker of the House and should take calls from anyone.
Sorry for late response. From where I sit in New Mexico, the nuclear waste colony of the country, I see the $ 50 billion in a larger context, one of more complexity than I can post on here. It has much to do with nuclear weapons disarmament, Kissinger’s secret trip to Russia for pebo in December, Bill Richardson, and what Lovins refers to above as micropower. Nukes are going to be dismantled certainly, but where will all that enriched uranium go? Uranium that we all paid some $ 7 trillion for over the last 60 years, arguably some of industrial America’s last real value.It will go into the new nuke power state which is simply the last industrial power grab left for the fat cats. In New Mexico Gov. Richardson pushed an entity called RETA, the renewable energy transmission authority designed as a quasi political entity with no oversight by the state but with full state powers – eminent domain,unlimited bonding authority,zero oversight from the legislature cross border power, etc. RETA is empowered to engineer and finance huge new electrical transmission and generating projects. The cover for creating all this brand new bueracratic power was that we had to get our NM wind resources to market, not locally but in Ca.Az.Las Vegas. At the same time RETA was being pushed through the legislature, Richardson was at work getting the first new uranium enrichment facility in the US into Eastern NM,the Louisiana Enrichment Services Facility, also strongly pushed by our new democrat representative from Eastern NM, Harry Teague. LES is now in the second phase called downblending that creates usable nuke fuel from weapons grade uranium. Add in WIPP ( Waste Isolation Pilot Project, which Richardson rammed through as head of DOE, and NM’s two nuclear labs, Sandia and Los Alamos, and you have the big dots that need to be connected.Oh, and Lovin’s micropower.It’s that micropower that centrally controlled and financed nuke/wind will replace, driving the economic and ecologicalbenefit from decentralized communities who can now produce their own power in a cost effective manner, back to a new military/industrial nuke /wind quasi political utility.Decentralized power has been THE best way to generate electricity for years much to the terror of coal fired, investor owned utilities.Keep in mind that the electricity industry dwarfs all other industrial sectors in the US in terms of income.The only way to effectively keep power genration out of the hands of communities is to centralize power generation and distribution at the federal level with the way to propagandize this astonishing rip off being to make it look like it’s the only way to disarm nuclear weapons and fight global warming at the same time.( we’ll still be left with 1000s of nukes btw)Throw in a little industrial scale wind and it basically sells itself to anyone unwilling to think. Richardson and Kissinger have worked together since the late 60’s at the Nixon Whitehouse. Kissinger and other establishment figures – George Shultz, Sam Nunn and others – have come out for nuke disarmament in the past few years.The payoff underneath this seemingly humanitarian move is the consolidation of electrical power in a elite hands. The race is on and right out of the chute the nuke boys got $50 billion of our money ! money that would have provided the country with fully renewable electricity generation and transmission.
Just look at the banking “bailout” scheme and you’ll get it. Money that should have flowed to your community for locally owned renewable power, has flowed to the central electricity industry.What we’re not seeing yet is how they plan to fully centralize control. My guess is a combination of nuke power under military control (there is a push underway to take our nuclear labs out of university oversight and put them under pentagon control),a full press federal global warming scare which Chu is already pushing hard,( I do believe in global climate change science btw, I just agree with Lovins that the way out is decentralized energy) , and some kind of federal/corporate controlled utility from which seperation will be discouraged explicitly by a huge disconnect fee and implicitly by a major government pr program. Sound like a big ole conspiracy theory ? Yep, it is. Google “GNEP” o see how it’s been financed and directed in the past. I hope sanity and technological innovation win out, but that ermains up to us at the local level. $ 50 billion is $50,000 million ! Could your community have used that money for renewable electricity and heat, efficiency and weatherization programs ? A few good websites…www.ILSR.org, http://www.localenergy.org,also google Amory Lovins and Tom Kasten to check out their wonderful contributions to energy democracy. Onward through the corporate fog !
PLF, I think you raise a valid point about storage of wind energy. Concentrated solar power using molten salts, in contrast, appears to have solved the storage problem.
Prof Jacobson sure thinks well of it:
(btw, I’ve zero investment or other financial stake in csp or any other energy technology or sector.)
Even the WSJ has a glowing piece about one form of CSP
Pretty neat, don’t you think? *g*
Of course, CSP siting indicates we’ll need new transmission infrastructure: we can build that and repeal the Cheney-era bribes regulations that allow new major transmission corridors to override enviro and local planning laws.
Hi DougWatts
Thanks for reading! I’m afraid this post is about as good as you’re going to find from me on the sarcasm to data ratio, and I was fresh out of vitriol for this one. Couldn’t even rustle up vitreous humor.
As this wrting style may not be the apple of your eye, I hope it would not look discourteous or unempathic were I to recommend to you the other writers at Firedoglake. Among their excellent work in a variety of styles I dare to hope you will find the balance of vitriol and/or sarcasm vs facts which is most to your liking.
If it helps, Prof Jacobson’s paper is just full o’ factalicious goodies: the Stanford webiste with a summary of the paper leads to yet more. The National Renewable Energy Laboratory and DOE have still more…
Bon appetit!
De gustibus non est disputandum
Here’s the linky for Prof Jacobson’s paper. Folks who aren’t science geeks will still find the conclusions interesting …er…uh… if they’re interested in energy sources as discussed above.
(if not, why are they bothering with 106 comments…? *g*)