zed?

where is everyone? I’m listening to cspan. dodd was en fuego!

I want all senators to feel the heat. all of them. I want full financial disclosures. I want them to take a bus trip around the country not to campaign, but to take a look at neighborhoods full of foreclosures, closed malls, unemployment lines, soup kitchens, closed banks!, the whole shebang. And they have to have a bipartisan roommate.

“Obama: Taking it to the Streets”

YES!

And not a moment too soon.

Can I come and bring my pitchfork and torch? I’m just about ready.

Make the Republicans filibuster the stimulus bill. The largest employer in Colville (pop. 4,500), is shutting down today and may re-open in April. I just emailed this tiny little fact to my Republican representative, McMorris-Rodgers. My senators, Murray and Cantwell, are on-board, we just need the clueless ones to get out of the way.

…it looks like Democratic leadership is going on the offensive — from the left.

excellent! is there anything we can do to help?

will you help me carry a rail?

84% of Americans support “buy America” provisions in the stimulus bill.

are there any estimates of what kind of economic impact this would have – ie would it have a significant positive effect or is it a shiny object?

“a bipartisan roommate?”

Funny, I was thinking similarly this morning — let’s have the Senate take a break, and all the Repubs and Blue Dogs go live with – in the home, if they have one – of an American who’s facing foreclosure, who lost their job, who can’t afford birth control and already has 3 kids and no health insurance.
I don’t care what party the hosts belong to. Let them just show our elite lawmakers how they live. Proviso, of course, that the senators CANNOT leave before their time is up. When they try to reun screaming from the apartment building or house, guards (made up of citizens) will gently shove them back inside. MAYBE they would get a clue about what matters.

sheiss. thune on with tax “rebate” for middle class. no stimulus bill.

complaining about the process that they have inflicted on the dems for eight years.

I’ll get the tar & feathers!

Absolutely! Shall we sling a bucket with some tar and feathers over it?

Obama can’t hammer away enough at the idea that the people whose policies caused the collapse shouldn’t be allowed to shape the recovery attempt.

Hey gang, no such thing as too much tar or too many feathers!!!

Jeeez. Don’t they get it – tax breaks, rebates, etc. are useless if you have NO JOB!!!

It appears I owe you a beverage! *g*

do my ears deceive me. norah telling thune that what he is saying is not true.

fainting.

Yeah, every time I hear one of them whining about being “shut out” of the process of drafting the bill, I just find myself screaming at the tv/radio.
Aaaaaaagh.

Thune wants to help the employed.

duh.

Oh.Mah.Gawd.

The milennium has come.

norah is actually speaking for the american people. Thune repeating the magic spell. tax rebate, they’ll spend it, blah blah blah.

don’t want bipartisan effort, just want it passed. duh again.

dosido – did we chase every one away? Are we being too shrill????

ahhh, tim gunn to tell me everything will be OK.

Tide Total Care. That’s what I need.

Whatdya mean shhhhhhrrrrillllll???

I dunno, I was wondering where everyone was before I got shrill. I was watching cspan somemore. maybe they’re having lunch??

I like shrill torches and pitchforks. I can also provide a large load of fresh manure…

Just called DiFi’s office to say “thanks” for stating that she, “wouldn’t vote for a bill that had too many tax cuts.”

I feel like that Sam Kinison character in Back to School. the history prof who goes off on a student

is she riiiiight?

Dog bless ya. If I had to watch this instead of work I think I would have gouged my eyes out hours ago. Yer damned heroes.

Bullseye.

It’s the smell of victory!

tejanarusa: Shill! Shill! Let’s put it this way, we aren’t being shill enough, because those stupid clowns don’t understand if you (person or business) don’t have work, you don’t have to worry about a tax cut. Why in the world, would we want to spend a dollar and get three quarters back, when we could spend a dollar and get a buck fifty back?

AAAGGGRRRHHHHH!

I wonder if they get any say in where their money goes.

Who, us? Nah, all we get to do is complain.

I’m pleasantly surprised how well this is going, actually. Most of the amendments that have passed look like good ones. The two Republican-sponsored ones were to fund the inspector general office the bill referred to and one saying they don’t like waste and things that aren’t good at stimulating the economy. It’s happening so fast I couldn’t keep up with all these amendments if I were a speed reader who already had the original bill memorized, but it at least sounds like they’re trying to do the right thing. Even that’s a refreshing change.

Don’t take this to mean that I’ve stopped being skeptical of these folks, theough.

or is it a shiny object?

Looks like a shiny object to me… Buy American cars. Well, are they made with American steel? I thought we’d shuttered all the steel plants years ago. Do we actually MAKE anything any more, other than high fructose corn syrup?

Thanks.

Anyone have an msnbc email handly, so we can show Norah some love/support?

Shill or shrill?

The steel is made in the US by a Korean company.

Shit would be better! I’m mad at those jerks.

Rather than simply allow the Collins/Nelson confab to just hack away at the present bill by making it more appealing to conservatives, eliminating things like child nutrition so they can include more defense spending, it looks like Democratic leadership is going on the offensive — from the left.

From the Left? Have the Dems finally tweaked to the fact that being Left can get them votes and let them ride an issue into higher office?
Facts are trumping Blue Bog CW belief in the wisdom of the Center path.
Fools the Center cannot Hold Things are Coming Undone:)
(I have waited so Looong to say that)

MSM? Too dumb to be believed.

Republicans? Same.

Congressional Democrats? Same.

Obama has to do it himself, with Paul Krugman and the DFH.

[bangs head on desk] Dare I ask if those are union workers?

Toad Manure?

We make Japanese cars…

There’s not much of a steel industry left, that’s for sure. Just like there’s not much of an American integrated circuits industry left. Most of the fab and much of the design is now overseas. When it comes to some of the fundamental things an industrial society needs, we import them.

Now can we get some more dems on TV?

That is very understandable!

Ya know, the GOP are like those people who ask if you have any ideas for dinner, you come up with five, those ideas are not good enough, so they’re going to wait until the perfect restaurant is built while you starve and then find out they didn’t want to go to dinner with you anyway.

one of the best analysts on the web is bernhard at MoA. here’s the beginning of today’s post:

Scary Economic News

So far I was on the opinion side of ‘a big global recession’. I now officially move into the ‘massive global depression’ camp. These numbers are huge. But what is really scary are not the huge numbers but the speed at which the occcure. That speed is unprecedented. It may turn this beast globally into something very different, i.e. much worse, than the Great Depression the U.S. had in the 1930s.

what follows is a list of links from all over the world. worth reading through.

and this is consistent with what i’ve been reading – as bad as we think things are here, in much of the world it is much worse. furthermore there are signs that social unrest, while in general still small, may be spreading (not here yet). here’s an example from nakedcapitalism: Unrest in China Worse Than Widely Reported

By Toads raised on bugs who ate only Garlic grown on a Superfund site,
and of course Chernobyl fireflies.

In sense. Horse manure for throwing at the toads.

my dittohead offers up the riots in France as evidence that socialism doesn’t work…

You would think, wouldn’t you?

I see while I was getting my laundry and staring open-mouthed at CSpan2 some more folks showed up.

Really gotta get some work done this afternoon….

If I have to go, can I count on you all to continue the shrillness?

84% of Americans support “buy America” provisions in the stimulus bill. I wonder if they get any say in where their money goes.

Oh, Jane, you are SUCH a comedienne! Thanks for the chuckle!

XXOO
FunnyDiva

Uh….(banging head again)

meanwhile pearl-clutchers chime in: “You don’t know me but I’m your Broder“

I was thinking a reality-tv scenario sans media. Our elected officials could swap houses for a month with their nanny,landscaper,cook,house cleaner, etc. They’re presumably already vetted.
They would be required to put in the same number of work hours it takes to keep that household afloat. Of course, they’d also be restricted to that household’s budget for food,medical,entertainment. They clean their own house, cook their own food.
But we’d give them a break. They would get to show up every day at their comfortable office and produce constructive results.
There’d be the requirement to host one cocktail party/fundraiser in the swapped house.
On the other side the families in the elected officials houses will be permitted to live like the officials. No racial profiling while driving the BMW.
Favored tables in favorite restaurants.

s’ok…he pulled that one out when I had him on the run about not being able to buy stuff if I had no money. total non sequiter on his part.

I also told him “free market” doesn’t mean “free from laws”

joining tejanarusa in banking my head on the keyboard.

silly me, i thought it was a sign of an engaged citizenry.

Don’t think so. Not many union types in my area. It is a lumber mill. They can’t sell the wood. Plus, this mill only does small diameter trees. They can’t process anything big. And by big, I mean 12 inches in diameter. What it does mean is everyone that provides parts/supplies to the mill won’t be selling anything. The loggers, like my husband’s company, can’t log because we can’t send the wood anywhere.

The other big lumber company up the road is shutting down at least one week a month, although the number of days shut down will increase. They messed themselves over when they sold all their timber land to an investment company, but can’t put that company on quotas. The only way they can control the volume coming in is to shut down.

Haha, you read my mind. who’d you want to sign up first?

Just to belabor the obvious for a moment, the 1929 depression wasn’t just in America. It affected much of the Western world, Germany being one of the places hardest hit. It’s one of the reasons for Hitler’s rise.

Tax cuts can fix all of that. /s

Yes

I like! Please submit to some TV executive.

i think it’s a shiny object too. bankers fuckers on wallstreet don’t want our anger focused where it should be – on them. so instead we’re supposed to get pissed off at some person trying to feed their kids by working in a sweatshop. an exercise in redirected aggression and the opposite of progressive – which acknowledges wide community, not gated community.

sometimes we need to be reminded of the obvious, or at least i do – thank you.

Oh, I like that. Much further developed than my general idea. Excellent.

And – a point I take from past experiements by legislators trying to live on food stamp allowances – you start with an empty pantry and no cash in your pocket, no access to your own bank account.

The Dems semed to be pushing Left the GOP should sign the Stimulus bill now before we Lefties get what we want no tax cuts at all.
Public opinion favors us the longer this fight goes on.
Sure there are not many moderates left in the Senate but there are enough to break a filibuster even if Joe deserts.

Ahh – I just unmuted the volume on cspan2 – speaker not identified on screen, but his first words – “tax cuts”.
He has a nine-page amendment.
It’s very straightforward./s

Oh lord – it’s Thune.

Words fail.

If you all keep doing that, your brains will get soft and people will think you’re Republicans./s

Lieberman, Collins, Nelson .
Vitter could do a stint on the Adult channel. But I’m thinking the availability of willing hookers slims down on a working class budget.

But when has the GOP acted logically John McCain and the GOP put a lot of Cred on the table opposing the Stimulus the GOPers in heavy GOP seats will lose cred with their base if they give up now.
The GOP are short term thinkers they will think that if they delay the Stimulus today who knows what tomorrow will bring?
I’m sure that they are all praying for a terrorist attack or a Coup to save their agenda.
Barring that I expect them to filibuster.
Which will give us more time to change public opinion.
If we get enough time we can get rid of all the tax cuts.
I smell opportunity.

We need pups in DC and his home state to follow him around another trip to a known hooker’s house or place of business will finish him.

Will the Blue Dogs revolt is the next question?

Medieval barbers proclaimed that bloodletting was the cure. Republicans are today’s medieval barbers proclaiming tax cuts cur all.

707!

you’ve convinced me – i have to stop.

New post—->>

Another new post—>

Hey Jane,

Thank you for all your posts today. Luckily for you, I’ve been “lite” on my comments because I worked on turning that article on international infrastructure comparative spending into an Oxdown.

Hope you like it!

EPU’d again

What Obama needs to do, is invite these douchebags like Nelson from Nebraska into the Oval Office and calmly explain to him that he’s going to vote for the bill as is. And if he doesn’t, Obama will 1) go through the next farm bill and remove any and all subsidies that pertain to Nebraska; 2) explain to him that any and all military bases in Nebraska will close at the soonest possible date; 3) all defense contracts with Nebraska companies will be canceled immediately; 4) all highway funds for the state of Nebraska will immediately be canceled … just for starters

Then call in Susan Collins and give her the same type of spiel

Then Lieberman

Everyone of them

And watch how fast they fold

evan bayh is indeed a pain in the ass.
He must be so proud of Indiana’s 8.2% unemployment rate (scroll down for the table).

It was 2.8% when bush was appointed in 2000 and 5.3% when Bush was elected in 2004. Nearly twice as much as it was in 2007.

heckuva job, Evan.