Earlier this week, the NYTimes had a lengthy article on potential DOJ reforms, including overhaul of the terrorism detention and legal systems, enforcement of civil rights laws, restoration of habeas corpus, and a number of others including:
The Bush administration used the [state secrets] doctrine to block more than two dozen lawsuits. In timing that was a bit of a surprise, the Justice Department lawyers who have handled the lawsuit filed a motion with the court an hour before Inauguration Day that held to the same position.
Some Obama administration figures regarded the filing before midnight on Jan. 19 as a rear-guard action to make it more difficult to reverse course.
The Justice Department has to file a new brief by Feb. 13. Jon B. Eisenberg, who represents al-Haramain, said the schedule meant that “Holder and company have to decide pretty quickly if they want to keep opposing this case with the state secrets doctrine.”
The case also provides an opportunity to have a court assess the Bush administration’s domestic wiretapping program.
As Marcy pointed out, state secrets questions have been asked but not substantively answered from Eric Holder up to now. With that brief due in al-Haramain on February 13th, we may just get more answers.
Consider this from Scott Horton:
The state secrets doctrine, for instance, has existed at least since the administration of Thomas Jefferson. But roughly 90 percent of all in-court invocations of this doctrine from the founding of the American Republic through today occurred during the Bush Administration.
It is worth noting that this use of state secrets to block court consideration of legality — or to block public Congressional oversight, for that matter — is a convenient means of hiding the ball. But the people who are hurt by this are the American public, who cannot hold elected officials accountable if they never get an opportunity to pass judgment on their actions. Using state secrets to save face by hiding everything else from the sunlight. Which is exactly the point.
If there is to be real governmental reform, state secrets is an excellent place to start.




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Holder has a lot to do in a very short time. As Marcy points out:
I am not a lawyer but this sounds like deliberate stalling
obama can “insta” declassify and even use bush’s own po to do it.
Good Morning Christy,
So, how to unburrow all the bushie-loyalists in the DOJ? Can we make it a short, sweet process. I suggest all of the employees are sent to the WH lawn for a game of red light, green light, or a new and improved version of Mother, May I? And, tell them God is watching!
Check out the exclusive by Murray Waas at Talking Points Memo.
It sounds very like indictments round the bend for Pete Domenici, Heather Wilson, maybe even Doughboy Karl in the U.S. Attorneys Scandals.
This is a must read–and great reporting by Waas.
Good Morning and Amen! Sister Hardin-Smith –
Sibel Edmonds. . .I’m not feeling encouraged
Just saw Marcy’s post RE Waas.
Yes, indeed: Would be tough to fill out your Golden Years in the pen.
Ole Pete might just get talkative in a hurry faced with a little reality check.
Christy, NYT has an editorial today on a state secrets case up before the 9th Circuit on Monday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02…..=1&hp
Hey, hey, cbl2.
Where’ve you been?
I’ve been
Missing You.
So THAT’S why the repukes held up Holder!
Ditto check out Scott Horton’s new post at No Comment as to how and why OPR is holding up investigations–arguably obstructing investigations–at DOJ.
What a filthy mess was left by “Generals” Ashcroft, Gonzales and Mukasey.
Thanks a bunch, guys.
Finally navigated site. Hard to teach old dogs new tricks. Bwahahahaha! What fun!
They thought DOJ stood for destruction of justice
my planned post election break lasted longer than I expected (some pre empty nest fun for me & old n slow) but have been lurking. can’t quit (((y’all)))
apparently not just state secrets are being used as a means to cover up torture crimes by blocking lawsuits. there is also evidence that threats (to public safety) have been used to block court action in the uk. from the guardian yesterday:
Good Morn to you, Christy and Puppies.
Indoor/outdoor thermometer read -47 degrees here when I first looked at it this morning. Not to fear, it’s simply in protest mode. Our other thermometer reads a balmy 0 degrees. But today’s sunny, and the sun stays up longer than yesterday.
Your quote from Scott Horton speaks volumes, Christy. Does it not?
glad you are back!
Do check out C-span! They have the author of “Welcome to Obamaland: I’ve seen your future and it doesn’t work”.
A British guy expounding upon why Obama is like Tony Blair and going to steal our liberties with his Social Programs.
This is just unbelievable. Well, I guess the bar has been moved on what one can believe has happened during the last 8 years.
Hey, cbl2!!
WELCOME back! We’ve been dutifully raising an extra measure of %#$* till your shiny face re-appeared.
Tainted Peanuts are a threat to national security. The problem is, like the boy who cried wolf. When/If there is a real threat, will we believe them?
This clown is a direct decendent of the flat earth society. Government is the problem; reduce taxes, Bush kept us safe, who needs hair brushes.
And Bush was a “Social Liberal”! Apparently they have some excellent mind altering substances in the UK…
I’m afraid there’s not enough caffeine in the world…. I’ll pass for now.
Delingpole – “can’t let unions rule the roost” unions are dangerous.
Does anyone know where I can find an online fill-in-the-blank receipt that I can email?
Can improper use of the state secrets doctrine become grounds for charges of obstruction of justice?
What do the decisions around Nixon and the Watergate break-in tell us about this? Are there any precedents?
will we? won’t we? Time for my honey’s favorite saying about nonsensical stuff:
It’s half of one and 6 dozen of the other.
mebbe some kind soul should call C-Span and warn the poor hapless fool not to lean too far over the edge.
Mornin’ demi.
(((LooHoo, Selise, and Adie)))
Since we seem to be in a rudderless boat this am, I’ll take the opportunity to share this line from the Joyce Carol Oates book I’m reading.
Like most boastful statements, it’s an acknowledgment of defeat.
How’s that for an interesting perspective of human behavior?
Why did I know that Regenery published his so called book? I am constantly amazed that these guys can write a “book” in three weeks!
Wait till the Joe the Plumber political advice book comes out…
It’s a very good read.
What would happen if you or I or any other mere mortals refused to testify? I know the answer. It just keeps dogging my heels.
Printed on a sheet of toilet paper?
HA! I’m not sure we deserve it.
G’Mornin’, Adie-girl.
Another of my favorite authors, Rita Mae Brown, has a novel entitled Six Of One. It’s a goodie.
Good eye! Thanks. otherwise sometimes known as a “tell”?
Deeply researched and exquisetley written?
well, that would at least render it useful in proper circumstances. just keep the plumber’s helper handy for unplugging the toobz.
Remind you of an recent ex-president we already don’t miss?
Delingpole looks like the perfect mate for Ann Coulter.
Indubitably! This guy is a Mark Steyn wannabe. “The Liberal Left philosophy is one of immaturity.”, according to him.
I rather like this, don’t you? I can see one of those big, honkin’ TP dispensers found in public restrooms, mounted on a pole in the Barnes & Noble “new fiction” section. Self-service (not to be confused with self-serving). Buyers can insert credit card, tear off their sheet (or two or three for gift-giving). It’s an idea whose time has come.
Christy, are you ready to smack us? We have brought OT to a whole new level here and I am complicit! *g*
What I don’t understand is how are you going to modify State’s Secrets to where it isn’t abused? Here is my take: Every State’s Secrets contention has to be reviewed by the FISA court, so that some judge, somewhere (and it should be several judges, actually) can actually review the damn stuff, and see whether the government is just blowing smoke or not.
Is Joe has fun yet? Whut th’ bloomin’ spittle?! From what mysterious source do these people dredge up their overarchicallifragilistical supply of self asss-teeeeeeemmmmm? Every time he spies a camera, Joethupmmmber sounds like some creature out of a Monty Python skit.
yup. him too. also that guy with a safe hidden in him’s wheelchair.
This was improper..the longest State’s Secrets gag in history of the US.
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Philip Giraldi on Sibel, Turkey, Israel, the Neocons and the MIC
Sibel Edmonds, the Turkish FBI translator turned whistleblower who has been subjected to a gag order could provide a major insight into how neoconservatives distort US foreign policy and enrich themselves at the same time.
http://thestressblog.com/2006/…..d-the-mic/
Morning pups. It’s cold here, too, in Canadaland. Off to Seattle for some warm rain today. As to the topic at hand, I would imagine that FISA violations will be off the table in the short run. Too much other pressing stuff at DOJ to work through. As to ’state secrets’, it’s just another time-delay bomb the Bush administration left the new one to dismantle. Again, it will take time. The people in charge have a lot of paper to go through so as ot to be trapped the way Rather was by Rove. I’m sure there are a lot of traps laid out there.
Better to lose a few in the short run than lose the whole shebang.
A shame that the British don’t seem to care about what’s right any more than the Bush administration.
I agree with you. But it seems that the pathway to FISA has been buried by scofflaws. How to make this stick?
Is that his name? Oh the poor chap! No wonder. His book probably just wrote itself.
You could ask for latest roll from Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity.
barbara did it first. barbara did it. i saw. she wouldn’t listen, ma.
we just been sittin’ with our hands folded on our desks.
are you blaming all the British for the behaviour of one poor hapless slob?
if so, you could look closer to home and find s’more more easily….
What book are you reading?
Because It’s Bitter and Because It’s My Heart.
Male or female?
So, very sorry I was so late this morning!! Please help: Is it true that Rush was a guest on The View? If so, I do opine that Barbara Walters has something going…
self – assteem … I’m so using that … *g*
I saw a headline or 2 on HuffPo, I think. Wasn’t about to click. I can’t even stand to watch/listen to the “ladies” on that nutty show, much less imagine Rush trapped in the middle of the couch. Ewwwwwwww. Apologies. My regurg. control ain’t what it used to be. I do have fleeting thots of them letting him blow up like a balloon, lofting him, and throwing darts. That would be worth a look-see. Let me know how utoob comes out on that…
tis all yours, Sire. Feel free to use liberally. ;->