The stimulus bill is making "conservatives" run around like screeching idiots for two reasons. It is of course their default mode. More importantly, though, if the bill works — even if it just kinda-sorta works — then what do they have left of their dogma? If it can be shown that the government can actually do stuff like "fix problems," then there’s no just point to conservatism. Which, you know, there isn’t, except insofar as it’s a massive jobs program for innumerable, innumerate right-wing hacks, clowns, charlatans, liars, frauds, true-believers, and imbeciles of the Jonah Goldberg class. All "conservatism" is, at root, is vapid sloganeering about how "government doesn’t work." It’s easy enough for them to "prove" this when they’re in charge, as they’ve so spectacularly demonstrated. But what if someone can come in after them and run the place competently?
Well, that’s an existential crisis, isn’t it? Or at least it is perceived as such. How else to explain lunacy on the scale of that perpetrated by, say, Pete Sessions?
"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban," Sessions said during a meeting yesterday with Hotline editors. "And that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person’s entire processes. And these Taliban — I’m not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that’s not what we’re saying. I’m saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with"….
"If they do not give us those options or opportunities then we will then become insurgency of a nature to where we do those things that are necessary to making sure the American public knows what we think the correct answer is," Sessions said during the 60-minute interview. "So we either work together, or we’re going to find a way to get our message out."
Now, whatever else this is, it’s incoherent, freakish, and strange. It’s the sort of gibberish produced by someone faced with the choice of either cheering on appalling economic catastrophe, or else bringing on his own utter ideological obsolescence.



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Amock, amock, amock….or in a good way???
Goddess…step in and help us…okay?
the only movement i wanna see are conservatives down the toilet
seconded
“If they do not give us those options or opportunities then we will then become insurgency of a nature to where we do those things that are necessary to making sure the American public knows what we think the correct answer is,”
What!!???
Excuse me….!!!!!
Insurgency?
The Repugs are referring to themselves as an Insurgency??????
WTF??????
They are a very constipated bunch.
Well, that’s where they’re headed!
The only question is if they’re going to take all of us down with them.
Right up there with the Red State Strike Force.
Now we know the meaning of the term, “moderate Republican,” it means moderate COMPARED to the Taliban.
i hear that instead of that striped headscarf the other insurgents wear, they are going for the striped tie
You seem to have taken Sessions remarks out of context. If you include the edited portions it makes perfect sense: Boogedy, Boogedy, Hamina, Hamina, Hamina Boogedy, etc.
That’s why I absolutely detest low-flow toilets. Impossible to get rid of conservatives with just one flush.
They’ll just give the credit for any turnaround to the Cheney junta’s policies.
Seriously. Did you ever confront a brownshirt about the fact that Clinton fixed up the mess left by the Senile Movie Star? They just say that Reagan’s voodoo economics finally kicked in. Like any other cult followers they have an answer for everything. Their blinders are impenetrable.
double flushing creates conflicts with my inner eco-facist
Ya, it is extra work but sometimes you have to do the patriotic thing and flush twice.
Could it possibly be that Obama is the akido president?
Tonight, he just seems to have stepped aside so the Republicans could charge face first into the brick wall of reality.
I know I’m biased: I already believe that the Republicans are pretty much treasonous self-serving fkups. But didn’t it become really obvious today?
And Obama just looks on in studied amazement, “Are they serious?”
It would be beautiful, if we weren’t on the brink.
Awesome! It’s Thersday!
And the Republians really are the Taliban.
Hahahaha…the color of the “tie” should always be noted…
I’ve noticed a lot of purple and pink…inbetween colors…
Oy.
You got to give it to Taliban Pete Sessions.Almost everytime he opens his mouth the lunacy leaps out @ ya!
damn enviros
Actualy the Taliban are moderate compared to the Republicans.
Didn’t you all read that the CBO report said the stimulus would be harmful in the long run?
Government only works when it takes the Reagan/Gingrich route and cuts taxes and programs.
Movement conservatism is strong because of big, tough, testosterone-laden warriors like John Hinderaker, Rush Limbaugh, and Hugh Hewitt. Representative Sessions is just saying that we’ll be as tough as the Taliban, not evil like it. Republicans care about jobs and the middle class as well, the idea that they are just slaves to big business is a folish myth.
zomg! existential crisis!!!111
OK, I’ll say it. The Republicans are the American version of the Taliban. It explains so much, doesn’t it?
See mine @ 16.
at least the taliban is honest in their hatred of america and don’t hide behind false patriotism
Wait a minute– didn’t Rush get out of going to Viet Nam because he had a cyst on his ass?
fork, don’t hide behind false patriotism of the country they are determined to destroy
hit the submit button too soon
The Christopath Republicans are the American Taliban.
Dugg!
Insanity. Complete utter and total insanity.
More Lindsay Graham, please.
he was repeating it for us late comers.
The “CBO says do nothing” stuff is pretty funny — ludicrous on its face. That the Moonie Times is trying the same silly trick twice in the same week kind of illustrates my point.
You have a thing for superannuated dimbulb drama queens?
The Taliban actually does the things Republicans wish they could do, blowing up false idols, etc.. Funny that, since their idol Rush Limbaugh appears to be one cocktail weenie away from self-detonation.
They know their readership has the attention span of a gnat.
Did you see Barbara Boxer charge him with “theatrics” on the Senate floor today?
She’s got his number, and it’s not going to voicemail.
Christo-fascist Republican Taliban
check out this goofy read:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-10146741-60.html
First article i ever read from a NYT ‘fan boy.’
Not what the CBO report said AT ALL. It stated tax cuts work only in MODERATE Recessions and that the original limited stimulus package would make these worse. Talk about just accepting undigested spin emitted by the folks that sat on their hands before and after Katrina! More of the same bulldada, it seems.
Nice to see her and Obama fighting back. Wish we had somebody in the Senate who would publicly call them out like that. Unfortuntely, it would offend Harry Reid’s delicate sensibilities.
I believe Limbaugh didn’t go to Nam due to a knee injury in football. Anyway, I know many of these tough, manly Republicans didn’t serve for perfectly good excuses such as ankle injuries or head injuries. If not for these unfortunate medical setbacks, these warhawks surely would have been on the front lines. Same for me. If it wasn’t for the shoulder…
manly replublicans? dang, you must be kin to the general.
Are you calling Harry “We have the votes to pass the stimulus tonight; we’ll stay all night if we have to; let’s go home at 9:15” Reid’s leadership into question? That’s not the kind of loyalty we’ve learned to expect from progblog commenters! Besides, you’ll confuse our new little friend under the bridge.
(Is it real or is it Snarkolex?)
hard to tell
The Taliban stones rape victims and unfaithful women. The Christopaths blame women for being raped (as they commmit rape), block access to birth control (as they use it themselves), preach abstinence (as they enjoy gay sex in bathroom stalls) and prevent sex education.
Well now I feel better. I didn’t go to Nam either. I had a college deferment– like Big Dick Cheney.
Hah! All these guys have man-titties and triple chins…they ooze with estrogen and body grease. And this likely after intensive plastic surgery.
I enjoyed this.
SInce he is speaking Rushbo, I think he meant to say “mainlining Republicans.”
Sounds as if you have a crush on some or all of those “manly” Republics.
Dick Cheney had seven, which beats Joe Lieberman’s five.
i’m currently liking the top post about ted 2. i wonder if dick and liz had a dick 2?
As opposed to (clandestinely) manhandling?
Also always a possibility.
Nice post, Thers. Love the Jack-in-the Box.
dugg
Went back to read it. Don’t all married couples do that?
I’m having a hard time reading you. What do you believe in?
It’s a parody troll.
Three Billy Goats Gruff.
Free animated clip-art gifs — always classy, always a propos.
A porpoise?
Isn’t “Movement Conservatism” an oxymoron?
Shouldn’t the phrase be “Constipated Conservatism”?
but don’t rethugs advocate the rendition-torture-gitmoization of insurgents like the Taliban???? Well, I suppose the Patriot Act IS still on the books…. if we put enough congressional rethug insurgents on the no fly list, perhaps we’ll actually be able to get the stimulus passed.
See, ya shoulda listened to yer momma. Too much masturbation will bring god’s wrath upon ye. At least now you can cover John Assrocket’s rear flank in th War
Againstof Ideas.Limbaugh avoided the draft by way of a pilodinal cyst on his ass like his father.
http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.asp
Yeah, well me and Big Dick, we had “other priorities”.
Besides, everybody knows Holy Joe woulda been too much of a wuss to go to Nam.
You’re fucking with us.
Atually, I think they have had dysentery for the past 30 years and have been shitting all over everything in sight.
That observation should be included in every report of the interview. This quote has been all over today and I just keep reading it and wonder what the hell he was trying to say.
And, don’t forget they’re hoping for a terrorist attack as well. Somehow they think a good old fashioned mushroom cloud will sweep them back into power. (That’s what they pray for every night-the demise of America)
Rush’s father was a pilodinal cyst?
Oops, that was supposed to be a reply to hackworth.
OK, past my bedtime. Good night all.
g’nite riesz
Night.
The cyst looked like his dad?
OT:
Plus he lost the Kellogg’s gig. They must not realize how much breakfast cereal is consumed by pot-smokers.
dang
The cyst is on record. The football injury is not. For Limbaugh to downplay the ass crack problem, he embellished the story for his dittoheads with the football injury. His fans believe the football story which is false. They have disregarded the ass cyst.
Rush is actually the anti-Minerva who erupted fully formed from his father’s pilodinal cyst.
Well, didn’t Cheney’s ‘lil speaky yesterday make your teeth curl?
There goes half there market right there. Especially fo Cocoa Puffs.
That cyst is my hero.
As if….
Traitor Joe sprang fully formed from McCain’s backside on a daily basis during the campaign.
When is this country going to legalize pot? Every single person I know has smoked or smokes. Everyone. Except my dead grandparents. And I’m not sure about them.
So bizarre, isn’t it? I always felt Rove and Co. got way too much credit for being political geniuses. They and their BigMoney stringpullers simply had control of the message machine, so every utterance, no matter how stupid would be massaged and drilled into the heads of the electorate for decades.
Now that they’re losing that control, they’re getting exposed as the bumblefricks they truly are, and fewer and fewer voters will vote for their kind on the future. This Sessions slip is a perfect example.
I’m cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
Cheney always makes my teeth curl. In a sane and moral universe he would be locked away in a total isolation cell in a supermax prison for eternity.
Remember when Traitor Joe checked McInsane’s “bearings” for insurgency? Classic.
Even my father tried it once.
Way back in high school years, my friend was smoking a bong in his room downstairs. His grandmother who raised him heard the bubbling sound.
She hollered down to him querying:
“Charles, are you running a motor down there?”
Just to make a clarification.
There have been TWO CBO reports on the fiscal stimulus plans. The first one in early January warned that tax-cuts and efforts to respond by short-term job production might harm the long-term recovery. It suggested that the only successful economic plan would mix stimulus with a set of long-term job-development plans that might stabilize the economy more than 18 months out. So when Republicans ONLY speak about producing jobs in the near term…they are advocating a “dig holes, and fill ‘em up” approach.
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=56
A more recent Feb. 2nd CBO report actually stated that the more extensive Senate proposal was likely to be more successful than the House model, and actually advocated higher levels of spending.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..refer=home
great. and now the cyst’s spawn is spiritual leader of 50 million rethug talibans
Sometimes using my actual name limits the stories I can tell. :)
Yeah, everyone seemed to focus on the “Taliban” thing, as opposed to the “speaking in disjointed fashion in manner of drug addict or similar.”
As soon as the governing class can admit that the money on this deal flows backwards.
ditto
Same-sex marriage will be legal in every state before pot is legal. The “War on Drugs” is as lucrative as the “War on Terror” for people who exert a lot of influence over government policy.
It all sort of makes sense in a very sick, primordial way.
I thought Lieberman had checked McCain’s balls. Joe then pronounced that McCain’s balls were perfect.
Come on now. Drug addicts make more sense than these asshats. We are talking seriu brain damage here.
Right, but since this is still upside-down backwards world, Cheney gets to speak. And what’s really nutzo is that people record what he says.
Hard as I have tried, I haven’t been able to exorcise that image from my mind’s eye.
dood musta not gotten his post-bong corn flakes
To be fair, it was common to hear some misguided liberals in 2006 and 2007 to say, “we should let the Republicans win in 2008 and let them drive the country into the hole so deep that it will destroy their party 4-evah.”
So Repubs. don’t have a monopoly on insane thinking.
He is kind of like their Lord of the Flies.
Oh, sure, but that was in the age of innocence.
Especially when the same people who exert a lot of influence over government policy can import product at will with no fear of legal consequences.
Do dems have a basic fear of success going on?
We need a Blue America candidate to put the squeeze Idaho Senator Mike Crapo then.
In the unlikely event they get in trouble, they can afford to get out of it. Drug prohibition is one of the sticks that the powerful use to whup on poor folks.
I never did hear that. Got a link?
You have a very valid point. Pelosi could have impeached but she was worried it would hurt them in the elections. And, Reid, who the frig knows what he’s doing.
tis the fallback when talking about illegal immigration reform doesn’t get them pissed off
Yep. On the rare occasions when the rich and powerful get caught, they spend a coupleof weeks in rehab and it is all better. No harm, no foul.
Time for a long winters nap. Wishing a splendid evening to all.
I’m off to bed. See all tomorrow.
g’nite ratfood
Reid is doing nothing. He has been instructed by the head of his party to do nothing. That would be the repug party. What else could it be? I am asking sincerely.
g’nite solai
Night, rf. Think I will head out as well. Have more young minds to corrupt tomorrow.
Sounds as if you have a crush on some or all of those “manly” Republics.
Is there something wrong with that?
Not Hinderaker or Mirengoff, they’re straight as an arrow alpha-males.
Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter, on the other hand…mmmhmmmmmm, you know what I’m talkin’ bout…
g’nite dr dick
” some misguided liberals in 2006 and 2007 to say, “we should let the Republicans win in 2008″
…probably not “liberals”…I heard that a bit from the folks out there that wanted an outright REVOLUTION. But given the fact that the Republicans seem to want to destroy their party while bringing down the country as well…that might occur anyway. If the idiot Republicans get what they want, I think that the only way that the fabric of the society would hold together without a violent response would be what FDR did in the Great Depression…some major acts to socialize certain aspects of the economy and regulate corporate greed. It would have to go beyond what FDR did, though.
i would suggest you double glove if going there dood
To overstate the obvious, a sane drug policy would treat substance abuse as a health issue, not a criminal matter. Only the affluent can even afford rehab.
Night ratfood and solai.
Back to marymc…The head of Reid’s party is Obama.
Then you would be nicking into the nightmare prison system.
It is entirely possible that the GOP win in 2000 ended up putting the country in so deep a hole we’ll never get out of it…
In order to save their dogma they are willing to see the total economic collapse of the nation. When will these Republicans be seen for the traitors that they are? When will the suffer the fate of traitors. A growth industry just might be the blindfold industry.
Oh god. wtf are we going to do?
As well, no Democrat with such thinking would be getting forty votes for their proposals in the Senate…like John McCain just did for his Amendment to make deep cuts of Corporate “Payroll Taxes”. Those “Payroll Taxes” are, of course, the employers share of Unemployment Insurance, Social Security and Medicare. What McCain was asking to do was to bankrupt those funds.
for firing squads?
and the privatization of prisoner transport (oops)
McCain is such a fuckhead.
Ya know, this whole Retalibanicans insurgency idea is a goldmine. Fighting taliban/AQ “insurgents” is basically their entire platform nowadaze, and now ‘ol Petey gives us the chance to brand them with their own medicine.
How the tables have turned. Don’t let up!
Exactly. Such is the fate of traitors.
2 of the 49 Raisins for the GOP-hadists?
I think they should be forced to live in the empty part of the lower ninth ward of New Orleans. Except the folks down there don’t deserve such neighbors. The rethugs must be forced to live what they have wrought.
they don’t get the full 72 because of the r’s propensity to send others into danger while staying safe and comfy hiding behind the flag
Not to worry. He’s starting to realize that bi-partisanship is a four letter word. (He’s also learning to count.)
They are not deserving of living anywhere. They are a cancer on the body politic and if a cancer is left in place the patient will surely die. To think they are a “loyal” opposition is delusional and dangerous.
well, if they actually do take to the (lifeless, stripmined, mountain-top removed) hills, perhaps we should just ignore ‘em.
do you know how hard it is to type “‘em” on an iPhone?
I have no idea, Blub, but you screwed it up. (!!)
not in this country. In upside down land, traitors get to run senate committees or, alternatively, they get lifelong sinecures at the American Enterprise Institute after being debarred and convicted.
I think the DLC was created specifically to destroy the DemocratIC Party from within, since it makes true DemocratIC voters complacent because “at least there’s a Dem in there,” while that said Dem is giving BigMoney everything they want. Absolutely everything. It was called the 1990s.
So yea IMHO, Harry is serving the same masters as the Retalibanicans.
I still don’t get how Obama’s deeply unpopular spending bill “threatens the essence of movement conservatism”. Movement Leftism didn’t end with the Jimi Carter debacle and Reagan’s ascent. There will never be just one party, especially when the majority of the population agrees with the opposition’s views on diverse issues such as the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Traditional Marriage, Low Taxes, and the Right to Life.
i’m so confused – i thought that was the role of the blue dogs
Night all
g’nite thers
F*ck, I missed Thers again.
i heard if the stimulus package works, obama is going to put conservatives in interment camps.
i also heard they won’t even notice because the interment camps will be at nascar tracks.
I do believe the Republics want anarchy. The only good government is a defunct one.
Schadenfreude!
O Schadenfreude! O Schadenfreude!
The repugs are so unchanging;
O Schadenfreude! O Schadenfreude!
The repugs are so unchanging;
Not only blind when troubles near,
But also dumb as Malkins lear.
O Schadenfreude! O Schadenfreude!
Their brains are so unchanging!
Don’t forget the Heritage Foundation. America can expect the suicides to increase in the months ahead. Many will take their families. It just happened last week. Not only do the Republicans have the blood on their hands of over 4,000 U.S. military and close to a million Iraqi’s they will now have the blood of thousands of future suicides because of their religious belief in their failed economic dogma.
Maybe it ain’t Schadenfreude time yet.
schadenfreude pie to go with your poem mary
Traitor, why don’t you have a big piece of cyanide pie?
I think that description is a little bit backwards.
The opposition agrees with the “majority of the population” or whatever, when they run for office. They don’t do squat about any of those issues once they are augured in. They sure don’t observe traditional marriage, low taxes, or right to life.
flaming will result in comments being moderated
1 cup dark brown sugar
1 cup dark corn syrup
1/2 cup molasses
1/2 cup (1 stick) butter
1/2 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips or chunks
3 large eggs (I used brown eggs in keeping with the spirit of things, but white eggs are fine)
2 teaspoons cinnamon
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splashbottle Kahlua or other coffee liqueur1 graham cracker pie crust (9 or 10 inches). Choose regular or chocolate graham cracker crust according to taste.
First drink the Kahlua. Then, commence cooking.
hahahaha that’s my kinda cooking
in other words, a minority embraces a party platform that advocates for gun violence, intolerance, bankrupt government, and theocracy. You left out four other pillers: permanent war, constant fear, crony capitalism, and, of course, torture.
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past the troll.
McCain proves again he is an asshat….but he did that all last year to our amusement. Too bad the only decent candidate who could run against him in 2010 now is Sec of DHS….
You know, the GOP are acting like some girls that the great Dorothy Parker commented on:
You can lead a wh*re to culture, but you can’t make her (the GOP) think.
I mean, yeah, a constitutionally obligated process was being followed but the GOP chose not to participate. Gad.
hey katymine – today better than the past few?
You left out four other pillers: permanent war, constant fear, crony capitalism, and, of course, torture.
Might as well add civil liberties and rule of law.
without honoring and protecting the entire bill of rights, the second amendment will surely fall someday as well, imo.
signed,
gun totin’ liberal
Great today……. Elmore is home ;)
Only three days to go on this cycle and no nausea today …… woohoo…..
Hey ES, I’m a rule of law liberal myself.
The NYU prof was on the Daily Show touting her book The Least Worst Place pointing out that laws are good things! They keep us safe!
woohoo – hamburger tongue is better?
As a certified firearms instructor ….Socialist Liberal ….. What needs to happen is the correct interpretation of the 2nd amendment or the yahoos need to join a well regulated Militia to keep and bear arms……
too bad our well regulated militia known as the national guard are deployed in the middle east instead of guarding the nation. maybe if they changed their name to homeland guard they will get to come home.
Now it looks right, blub, must have been my computer looking at it funny…
I’d rather roll over them with a steam roller. They would find pleasure in watching people lose their homes. They would find pleasure in children dying for lack of health care. They would find pleasure in the elderly being forced to eat dog food. They would find pleasure in utility companies turning off the heat and letting veterans freeze to death. They would find pleasure in knowing their neighbors telephone conversations are being monitored by the State. They would find pleasure in habeas corpus being relegated to the dustbin. They would find pleasure in the Salem witch trials and the McCarthy hearings. They find pleasure in the suffering of real people. Trolls are nothing more than psychopathic provacateurs.
Again, get a public school education so you don’t sound so dumb in public.
hey katy – did you see this diary about your sheriff?
HA!!!
blue, please do not use fantasy violence. it will result in your comments being moderated.
Still raw and still can’t taste things….. some sweet, sour, hot spicy and no heat hot things……
somebody is gunna pull the blog over!
I’m in. But what are we cooking?
don’t make me do it dood
What was “fantasy” violence in the post? You would be so delicate with the sensitivies of people intent on destroying the lives of millions of people?
the first sentence.
He’s absolutely masochistic. I cannot believe my ears/eyes.
The republicans must hate each other like nothing ever seen before!
Oops, forgot about the steam roller reference. My bad!
fingers and toes crossed it returns to its taste sensing self soon
uh oh.
late late nite upstairs
Truth.
Are people aware of my reference to veterans freezing to death for not paying their utility bills? It just happened in Bay City, Michigan were a 93 year old WWII veteran was found frozen to death in his home when the utility company’s monitoring device that controlled heat malfunctioned.
Hey Blue, I feel your passion. I finally had it out with my dittohead and like a puppy that peed I pointed out what torture was and how it doesn’t work and how it was just wrong. He started in on all the blather he was trained and conditioned to repeat in the comfort of his home and I cut him off and said don’t even go there. Torture is a crime and don’t start in what is or isn’t torture. I gave him the lessons of WWII vets and the breaking down of Hitler’s goons. I asked him what anyone could possibly gain and why would anyone tolerate or allow this???? Did he even know what he was saying and what it meant.
I mean, I made him think about what he was saying to me, a fellow human being. I think I had him rolling backwards on his roller skates. He did stop to think.
i read today (i’m thinking it was at americablog) that the poor guy left his entire estate to the local hospital – anticipated at being around 500,000 or more
DLC was exposed. They did some re-branding into the Blue Balls.
I saw that story. just sad. I want the cruelty to stop.
Sad. Doesn’t really matter that he was a veteran, though. Would be awful with any American.
Or was it a veteran who hadn’t been treated fairly?
Yay katymine, so glad to hear that!
Should have mentioned that the U.S. executed Japanese after WWII who were convicted of waterboarding American P.O.W.’s.
The cruelty will only stop when the sick minds of the Republican Party and their sycophants have been silenced, metaphorically that is.
Hey bluetoe, come upstairs for some good news…
Thanks for the heads up.
Is there no surprise you won’t spring on us? Certified firearms instructor?
Helluva woman, that katy.
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Have we learned NOTHING from almost a century of vampire movies? We have to drive a stake through the Republicans’ heart, dismember them, burn the body, pour the ashes into a vat of acid, and shoot the vat into the sun. Just do it.
No more Mr. Nice guy. We gave “bi-partisanship” two weeks. It didn’t work. Everybody knows that now. Now the losers have to live as losers do, with nothing. Nothing. No “pork” for Red States, since they’re so adamantly against it. Take their share and give it to the Blue States that are the worst off.
I’m tired of my Blue State tax money going to tax-negative Red States that always get back more in Federal spending than they pay in taxes, and then bitch about taxes and ‘pork” for my State. F**k ‘em. Party’s over. You wanna be self-reliant? Good. It starts today. We’ll be enjoying out Big Government over here, since we’re the ones who paid for it. Carnitas, anyone?
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