CEOs and business owners won’t be happy until salaries reach zero. Actually having to pay people is bad for the bottom line.

Yes, I’m being ever so sarcastico.

thanks for the post.

It’s clear that big business interests don’t want to see working Americans get ahead in this rough economy, ever.

haha! you’re correct. i just try to be diplomatic.

I cant find the link, but I read a story yesterday that one business actual told people to work for free and they’d hire the person who did the job best. So, your sarcasm is bordering a bit on reality.

I honestly had to rewind a few times before I could understand what that country club Lotito guy was saying. He’s a bad speaker. *crank crank whine, whine, chirp, chirp*.

The CEOs and CFOs have led this country into a race for the bottom. Meanwhile they have lined their pockets off of the sweat of many hardworking people. These greedy bastards have this anti american attitude that only they should reap any rewards.

Here is the link
http://www.scholarsandrogues.c…..our-times/

Ugh, I know. mealy mouth doesn’t help, at least he’s not on our side. maybe we should have closed captioned the video? anyway, he’s talking about how business’ choice to stop unions goes away.

Sweet Jesus, that’s it. This is insane:

Then the details begin to emerge. What Danielle was really doing was advertising for multiple people when she didn’t really have multiple jobs. The plan was to get several high-level folks through the door, offer them all the “job,” then let them work – unpaid. Whoever did the best, she’d keep. The rest would be on their way, uncompensated. So in a sense she was offering up something that had all the responsibility of a senior level job with the compensation, security and benefits of an internship. The job ad could easily have led with “how desperate are you, you pathetic bitches?”

As a past employer and employee I learned that treating employees as well as your best customers gets you better results and stops the training revolving door.
Then there are company unions there only to deny a real union,
Unions can be the managers for keeping employee behavior good and well trained.
The union apprentice program has many benefits to the employer. Prevailing wage contract like what the stimulus package will be…need the qualified workers unions provide…and they are some of the best workers.

Thanks for the update, Michael.

Wages are only a part of the equation. Health care costs, higher education, durable goods, anything and everything that can drain the middle class of operating funds has been climbing in cost at an alarming rate for 8 years or more while real wages decline. (You allude to this in your list of things big business and their lackey the Chamber oppose.) Unless and until we the people can get the country back to an economy based on generating new money (manufacturing) and away from an economy based on debt (swapping the same money around to an ever growing list of players) we will continue to sink.

A restaurant worker told me today the women who bought the business she has been working for a number of years and is a fav with the customers…lowered her pay without informing her…six months ago and just told this week. Labor laws require written notification. It has cost this young girl about $1,000.00. If she had a union rep the employer likely would not have polled this stunt. It the tough job market more of this will happen.

Disposable income drives economic growth. They just are not patriotic enough to share that wealth with workers.

That’s right. Unions give working people a stake in their jobs. Having a job isn’t a privilege, and working people deserve respect and a seat at the table when it comes to their livelihood.

Passing universal health care will pay dividends on workplace costs…that’s why SEIU has economic recovery, employee free choice, and health care as its three main issues this year. They’re all connected.

Right. I can’t buy any of your bitchin’ products if I don’t have any money.

I would revise your sentence though. It isn’t “sharing” the wealth. It’s allowing workers to participate in creating wealth by earning a decent wage. big diff.

Amen!

I am currently looking for a job and I cannot tell you how many employers have listed real jobs as “internships”.

“We get free work out of you! You might get a good reference and work experience!”

Bernie Marcus, the charismatic co-founder of Home Depot, continues to threaten to shoot any CEO or Congressman or Senator who votes for this bill. Can’t he be arrested and procecuted under the Patriot Act?

Oh, sorry. I left out a key point. The real burn about these job listings is that people expect qualifications up the ying yang, but don’t want to pay this very well qualified person. They are doing you a favor.

You have said something that needs to said, and is worth debating here. I am opposed to nuclear power and there is talk that the stimulas package will include nuclear power plants. However, a power plant build would keep hundereds of union electricians employed for years. Hundreds of pipe fitters and welders, structural steel workers, (the list is almost endless but you get the picture) would also need to be union because unions are the only operations capable of staffing up for jobs of that scale. The trickle down to large and mid-sized machine shops is enormous also.

The scale of employment is smaller for conventional power plants is my point, I suppose.

I find anyone who threatens to shoot me extremely charismatic…I think it’s chemical bonding and adrenalin.

Have heard that Obama’s support of the Employee Free Choice Act is soft. If he abandons the unions then it’s time to form a new Progressive Party.

I have been in manufacturing for 30 years. Machinist, Manufacturing Engineer, technical and quality “fixer”. I have been extremely blessed to have a job with a very decent small shop for the last year and a half. At exactly half of what I made on 1-21-2001. I also pay $700.00 a month for the wife and son’s medical insurance instead of $48.00 a month.

What you speak of has been a growing movement in employment for while and it is disgusting.

Maybe Richard Trumka needs to pay a call.

Remember this?

Oh, left out; Bernie Marcus is a fucking pig.

As long as the worker is denied any portion of ownership of the commodity s/he works to create the bosses will be able to treat workers as the owner of only another commodity required to produce the end product, that commodity being the worker’s time/labour. Wall Street workers are paid a base salary which is augmented by bonuses at the end of the year, a profit sharing plan, a portion of ownership of the end product. Effective worker controlled unions are a step in that direction.

Even the fascist pig Henry Ford,wanted allhis employees to be able to afford the carzzzz they made,sheesh the stoopit,it burnzzzzzzz

Can I be a charter member?

He certainly isn’t stepping up to support Solis.

Hi.

(((oldnslow)))

See? Right here at the lake we have a face to go wiht the numbers.

My grandfather was a supervisor in a large steel plant in upper state NY, non union I guess. He taught me well. His stock line whenever I told him about work was “it’s good expeeeireeunce”

My father rejected these lessons and is so anti union it’s awful. He doesn’t live in a mansion, or in a fancy neighborhood, or drive fancy cars, but he ran his own white collar business and resented every dollar that didn’t go in his own pocket. I asked him if he were still working if tax cuts would lead him to hire more people. I had him. He tried to tell about the help he contracted with. I said, no, how did it create jobs? he changed the subject.

My position is that unions can exist and businesses can be profitable. But most see a zero sum game. bugs me.

Wall Street workers are paid a base salary which is augmented by bonuses at the end of the year, a profit sharing plan, a portion of ownership of the end product.

I don’t think that receiving bonuses in the face of massive losses can be called profit sharing. Splitting the looted money is more like it.

My grandfather also taught me very early on that salespeople just don’t give a hoot about profits, only commissions. They’d come in with a “big” sale and he would do the math and show it to them. Yeah, he could be a buzz kill, but hey.

I put this lesson to work in my job and it applies to Enron and the jokers who sold subprime mortgages. Who cares if it’s profitable?

He was a sharp guy in a blue collar.

that is all it really is

What’s to stop anyone in govt from reclaiming that money we “loaned” them? I think there should be liens and freezes and do it now, apply it retroactively on those hosers. They didn’t operate in good faith, so we don’t have to worry about changing the rules now. Just do it.

There was no problem in changing the contracts for all the troops in Iraq. This is an economic war, so let’s change the contract, right now. I”m righteously pissed.

Well, theory and reality do have a way of colliding now and again. *g*

Although a lot of the folks on the floor and brokerage houses had no culpable part in the big shitpile their end of year dust certainly came from the culprits.

Hope you all have time for a laugh. Just got this in an email:

Ben & Jerry have created a new flavor, known as “Yes Pecan!” for Obama.

For George W. they asked for suggestions from the public.

Here are some of their favorite responses:

Grape Depression
The Housing Crunch
Abu Grape
Cluster Fudge
Nut’n Accomplished
Good Riddance You Lousy Motherfu***r… Swirl
Iraqi Road
Chock ‘n Awe
WireTapioca
Impeach Cobbler
Guantanamallow
ImPeachMint
Heck of a Job, Brownie!
Neocon-Politan
RockyRoad to Fascism
The Reese’s-cession
Cookie D’oh!
Nougalar Proliferation
Death by Chocolate…and Torture
Freedom Vanilla Ice Cream
Chocolate Chip On My Shoulder
Credit Crunch
Mission Pecanplished
Country Pumpkin
Chunky Monkey-in-Chief
WMDelicious
Chocolate Chimp
Bloody Sundae
Caramel Preemptive Stripe
I broke the law and am responsible for the deaths of thousands …with nuts

If only Bernie were merely a greedy pig. He is fighting for civilization. That is the civilization of socialistic CEO’s who receive billions from taxpayers. They presumably are using some of their socialistic money to fight against EFCA. Bernie is an elder statesman and has studied history and has discovered labor unions destroy civilizations. Socialism should only help the rich people.

“This is the demise of a civilization,” said Marcus. “This is how a civilization disappears. I am sitting here as an elder statesman and I’m watching this happen and I don’t believe it.”

For instance, look what has happened to France. Other CEO’s need to help Norm Coleman. If not these CEO’s should be shot and then removed from their jobs. Bernie is making terrorist threats against his fellow CEO’s.

Donations of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars were needed, it was argued, to prevent America from turning “into France.”

“If a retailer has not gotten involved in this, if he has not spent money on this election, if he has not sent money to [former Sen.] Norm Coleman and all these other guys, they should be shot. They should be thrown out their goddamn jobs,” Marcus declared.

Also shareholders of a company should sue their CEO if he does not fight to destroy labor unions. Then perhaps shoot the CEO? Only a stupid CEO does nothing on EFCA.

Earlier he argued: “As a shareholder, if I knew the CEO of the company wasn’t doing anything on [EFCA]… I would sue the son of a bitch… I’m so angry at some of these CEOs, I can’t even believe the stupidity that is involved here.”

awesome. that should be a diary eCahn!

The shortsightedness is breathtaking. If no companies pay a decent wage who will buy the shit he sells in “his” stores?

thanks, I didn’t know where my dittohead was getting all this dictation. you hit every one of his talking points.

Millions are employed as independent contractors (1019) that makes you responsible for what a normal employer would pay, FISA, unemployment, health care and liability. This should be illegalized with a strong law.
i call these employers bottom feeders.
I friend has 4 young kids here husband works for a contractor that he subs to. He has to go out and hustle up jobs…pays out of pockey $12K health ins premiums.
Universal health care could take some of that burden. Small business could more easily pay a “living wage”.

Disposable income drives economic growth. They just are not patriotic enough to share that wealth with workers.

When too much of the real economy’s money goes to a handful of people and they can save a substantial part of it for investing and whatnot, then the real economy has less to pass around and there shall be less economic activity.

For example, if you were cut and began bleeding (say, saving the blood in a container) it wouldn’t take forever before your body would shut down. It’s only because your body can normally create new blood that you continue alright. If the hemorrhaging is too fast then you can’t create new and you require a transfusion from an Emergency Room.

The rich bleed the economy by taking ever larger profits. When they invest it that’s not so horrible. Sometimes they just hang onto it, somewhat like our big banks which aren’t lending all they might. That automatically slows economic activity.

I would revise your sentence though. It isn’t “sharing” the wealth. It’s allowing workers to participate in creating wealth by earning a decent wage. big diff.

One of the perpetual questions is how much is a product worth, including labor. If labor received all the revenues of a company how much would they pay the white-collar employees? How would they decide the proper amount to pay toward capital investments and for CEOs?

… with nuts

LOL Hilarious.

“If a retailer has not gotten involved in this, if he has not spent money on this election, if he has not sent money to [former Sen.] Norm Coleman and all these other guys, they should be shot. They should be thrown out their goddamn jobs,” Marcus declared.

Funny, I thought running a corporation these days was ALL about making value for the shareholder. Now he says it’s all about funding politicians.

Huh.

I guess he doesn’t see the things the Dems, led by Obama, as leading to a better economic world where they can get back to making tons of dough.

Idiots. What planet are these guys from?

Right now, it’s up to CEOs if workers can form a union.

That is just flat out false. And if you state otherwise you are misinformed or lying.