Yesterday I discussed the "let the banks go under" option. Let’s talk about the ups and downs of this possibility, because there are significant risks associated with it, which is why folks like Summers and Geithner are acting like they stared at the Gorgon and have been turned to stone.
The case for it is simple enough: if you don’t force the losses and the write downs, and instead allow a combination of impaired bank balance books and government accepting the losses, whether through a bad bank, insurance or other means, you have to write off trillions and trillions (I’m guessing, globally, a minimum of 8 trillion, and it is probably much higher than that). That money will not be available for useful investments, for income, for social security or anything else. It will be commited for a generation. This is essentially what happened in Japan, when Japan refused to have its banks really accept and acknowledge their losses. If you’re old enough, you remember the days when Japan had probably the world’s most dynamic economy. No longer, instead they have an economy that’s in and out of the hospital, one where the good times have never, ever returnred.
That’s the zombie bank route combined with a bad bank that doesn’t nationalize banks. Pay it off over a generation.
This method has the advantage (from the point of view of decision makers) that it leaves the same class of people in charge of the economy. From the point of view of ordinary citizens that’s probably a bad thing, since the current elites are not only incompetent, they are wedded to old infrastructure and and old model of organizing the economy. Just as England did not succesfully make the leap from a coal economy to an oil economy in time to avoid its own fall, current interests are stoppng America from investing in the future—whether that is true in the internet, where the US has awful broadband compared to its competitors or in new energy technology, where others are ahead in solar wind and indeed virtually every renewable technology. Keep these folks in charge, and this will continue.
Now the problem with letting banks go under instead is that it forces an acknowledgment of losses in a short period.
Not too short, doing it smart means unwinding carefully, probably the majority in a couple years, and the rest over a few more years. But still, short enough and clear enough that people are forced to take their losses—stockholders wiped out, creditors forced to take whatever value exists and no more, contracts based on fraud (ie. possibly the majority of Collateralized Debt Obligations and Credit Default Swaps) nullified. This will, absolutely, cause a chain reaction. As people are forced to take their losses, they will call in their good investments, causing a downwards spiral in various markets (including the stock market). A lot of value will go away, and some value will actually be destroyed. Credit default swaps which aren’t nullified will fire off, causing another wave of payments and losses.
This is why you keep hearing Geithner say that he prefers a private system. Oh he may prefer one for other reasons, but this is why he’s paralyzed by the idea of forcing banks that are not really solvent into the arms of the Fed.
If you’re looking at these two options, then, there are downsides to each of them. Do you want the pain over with, even if it means a lot of pain right now? Or do you want to drag it out?
The caveat, unfortunately, is that the drag-it-out option may not work. I see three possibilities if you go that route:
1) A generation or so of a lousy economy. (Japanification)
2) It only works for 4 to 8 years, because unlike Japan, the US does not have a trade surprlus with the rest of the world. When it ends, you get to the crisis all over again. And there will be no avoiding, that time, a massive crash.
3) It doesn’t work at all.
Of course, the downside of the "one fast rip" strategy is that it could cause a spiral that throws the world into a Great Depression. Mind you, that Great Depression might happen anyway.
The big upside of doing it fast is simple enough: you can really start lending again. The Fed, those banks which survive and the credit unions, knowing that all the bad stuff has been acknowledged, don’t have to fear counterparty risk. All money earned can actually be used to build the future, rather than pay off the past. Growth, freed of debt to the past, can occur unfettered.
Now there are other options. The "split the differnce option" is to simply nationalize all the banks that are effectively dead anyway, have the government pull the crap out of them into a bad bank (this is doing a bad bank right, as opposed to taking the crap off them and not nationalizing), refloat the banks and take your losses as fast as you can. Unlike doing a bad bank wrong, this has the advantage that the government and taxpayers get all of the upside—all appreciation in banks values and that of any of the junk they took on goes to paying back taxpayers. No, you won’t get it all back, but you’ll get a lot of it. While creditors are badly damaged and shareholders are wiped out, the damage to them is not as severe in a "let them go under" option because many of the instruments will be held to maturity or sold—the government will be eating a lot more losses than if it simply said "the bank is effectively gone, if you’re a counterparty take your losses).
A final option is "inflate it away". This is the traditional method used by countries with debts that are too high, whether private or public. The problem with this is that high inflation hurts everyone, and inflation is like the devil, one you invite it into the house, it’s hard to get it to go away. Worse, deliberate inflation can lead to hyperinflation, and not only does that destroy economies, it tends to lead to very nasty governments in reaction. (See Republic, Weimar).
There are a lot of moving parts on this, and I’ve oversimplified this a fair bit. Nonetheless, at this time, these seem to be the main options under consideration. Which one do you prefer?



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Howard Dean would make a great HHS head!
I would prefer the “fast rip”, but I would accept splitting the difference. What I find intolerable is bailing out the corrupt pinheads who got us here in order to have a crappy economy for a generation or more. Unfortunately, now that Geitner is spending more time contemplating his taxes, he doesn’t have any time to consider alternatives to his “me and my buddies first” approach.
Ian,
My personal choice was the one put forth by the engineers. Invest $2 Trillion in an infrastructure that establishes a 21st Century platform. Many of these investments will pay for themselves and more. If the money is goig to be spent, get the best bang for the buck.
Ian Welsh:
Nationalize with “bad bank done right” is the option I prefer, but that’s because it is the option most discussed and recommended by Krugman and other economists I respect.
It seems to be the option with the best chance of success and least pain – relatively speaking. Or it’s the “do it fast” option that is least likely to lead to a depression.
Do any of the other options have greater benefit or less risk? They don’t seem to, given your description. Is there anything else we should know about them? If not, then “nationalization with bad bank done right” seems to be the best balance.
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ian, why isn’t obama considering nationalizing the fed?
that would serve a multitude of issues;
first, it would remove the private overhead that needs the economy to keep growing
second, the prime could be used as a revenue source for the government instead of a revenue source for private industry
third, it would eliminate the shadow government that is the fed who lend and print for other countries, some our enemy, at will
fourth, it would fund it’s own bailouts, if the government wanted to bail out a corporation the prime for that bailout would add the overhead of said bailout.
we still manage to print our ownm money in coinage, I see absolutely no reason we don’t print our own paper as well
i’ve missed the last couple of ian’s posts and am not caught up yet… but what the heck, fools jump in, etc *g*
i think there are two other unknowns that may be paralyzing for summers, geithner et al.:
1. we don’t know the size of the hole. it’s a step into the unknown. not a pleasant thing for most people, and especially bad for control freaks.
2. how much of the toxic “assets” were bought by foreign central bankers (and others with major political clout)? is it possible that there are other threats / concerns with regard to geopolitics we don’t know about? (i’ve been trying to get a handle on this question for awhile and have gotten nowhere).
Thanks Ian.
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Agree.
I particularly like this.
LMAO.
I’ve heard that keeping the foreign central bankers happy is an issue; we need their money to finance our massive deficits, and if we make the money they already paid in disappear, they might cut off the flow of money.
But this might be addressed by a “split the difference” approach.
What this country needs is a trully progressive, revolutionary party. Americans have been played for chumps for far too long.
Put down the bong and step away from the keyboard!
whatever we do, i want a strong safety net to limit the pain and to preserve social stability (i don’t want a rightwing backlash). and that includes universal healthcare.
if we can’t have the safety net with “Pay it off over a generation.” but can with one of the other options – i’d rather go with one of the other options.
other than that, my bias is one of frustration with our current elite, and the idea of seeing them rewarded pisses me off. hard to put that aside to evaluate the options on their merits.
One of my favorite “sayings” is this:
“Step to the edge of all your knowing, and then take one step more.”
I think we’re there. There is no model for this. I’ve already said more than I know about how to deal with this, so I’ll sit back and “listen” to all y’all untangle this.
Glad you’re back with this, Ian! *g*
I prefer the “fast rip,” but I’m not confident that such a thing could be accomplished without a literal revolution. The powerful in this nation will not yield power willingly, and too many have deveoped a Rovian attitude towards authority and the rule of law. They would prefer the United States go the way of the Soviet Union, so that they can be bigger fish in smaller, easier-to-control ponds.
Additionally, they control the media, so they most likely would see the president (whatever president proposed such a thing) impeached on some pretext by popular opinion rather than yield.
The cultural aspect is this: the generation currently holding power are in there very strongly. Radical change will threaten their retirements, or their Golden Years in power. They will not acknowledge these problems because they are too frightening, and they will not act appropriately because they will not accept a drop in living standards under any circumstances.
I suspect that the current paralysis will not change, and we will indeed face a generation of lousy economy, if that allows the Rich to continue for any length of time. Look at the Soviet Union, and how much misery their working class tolerated for how long, and we won’t be any different.
Look at his choices of economic advisors. He chose to stick with the status quo so as not to freak out Wall Street. He succeeded in that, but now we are stuck with the consequences. These guys are not going to upset any apple carts.
I agree with selise that there are likely to be foreign holdings that are complicating things mightily, but even in a best case scenario where that is not the case, I don’t see Geitner and Summers pursuing a course that will seriously disrupt the power of our economic elite.
I’m way out of my league, but I find this option more attractive, because it’s less unmanageable in the short term than nationalizing all the banks.
if that’s what got to happen i don’t want it to be summers, geithner and bernanke.
Well, as a group, they’re bankrupt. And the size of Citi alone (which should be nationalized or shut down slowly under any plan) is amazing.
I think, with climate change barreling down on us, we better do something fast. Rip the bandage off and get it over with.
Wall Street is a big casino let’s get over this gambling addiction and oil addiction and debt addiction, quick.
These “people” with their “contract on America” are going to be baaaaaack if the pain isn’t deeply felt.
Of course, that is NOT what they will do. they’ll dither and dather and send US into something that, for all the hope and promises and “integrity” of Obama’s high blown ideals will kill US.
I don’t think there’s enough collective courage in the whole of the human species to do the right thing here.
by the way, I agree with Selise there @ #15
I have to admit that after writing it out, I can really see the argument for nationalization + bad bank done right. OTOH, let her rip is relatively attractive to me in that it gets the most overhang gone fastest and allows us to move onto Astral Technician’s plan.
Every dollar spent on this crap is not being spent building a new and better economy.
ian .. how’s ’bout just nationalizing the fed and taking our money in our own hands instead of letting it belong to the rothschilds and the rockefellers ..and then paying them interest to lend it to us .. ??
but i agree with you .. let the malefactors suffer their own losses and pay for the sins of their ways .. i’m tired of socializing losses and privatizing profits .. it’s a no-win proposition for the common folk .. it’s heads-they-win tails-we-lose .. enough of this hogwash ..
capitalistic-socialism .. it sux..
Thanks ; ) What do you bet the phone of every tax advisor in Washington is currently ringing off the hook? ; )
mffpt thnpti fwrp. Okay. Gag off.
Why, oh why, is this not the biggest open tent ever? Is this not the time to gather (quickly — I get that part) the most extensive collective wisdom of the economically truly wise rather than entrusting all of this to a small cadre of current insiders? Just askin’.
Gag on.
OfT, FWIW, Jim Cramer had a segment tonite where he wanted Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to do nothing but use RICO to indict Wall Street types.
I don’t like or trust Cramer, but I think the fact that he would come out with that position is relevant.
OT, I don’t think the right will be making a comeback. I think a lot of people who voted Republican for the last twenty-years are going to need foodstamps and welfare to survive the next ten.
Thanks for Digging Boo(:>)) Remember Pups better late Digging than not at all!
I agree. We can build our way out of this if we had the poiltical will to do so, and if we follow up the building program with comprehensive financial reform. Create 10 million stimulus jobs and the economy will resuscitate in some form.. then we just need to make sure the financial infrastructure is there to sustain resurgent spending. Recapitalization a network of smaller, regional, solvent banks is one way to accomplish this.. banks that will then lend to businesses and consumers as they emerge out of the crisis. As for the money centers, solve that problem any way you want – nationalize them, force-monetize their bad assets with a loadstone security of some sort and then let them fail, guillotine their execs, whatever.
marcy kaptur said today:
Howard Fine is saying that Bill Clinton may be best for HHS!
LOL. please take gag off more often. preferably permanently.
Crap! Delurking again. I suggested that in a thread here this morning. I am pleased that Howard Fine listens to barbara. (I was, however, being somewhat facetious.)
Oh. “that” is the matter of William Jefferson Clinton for HHS.
Yep. Obama’s been dealt a really strong hand. BushCo was a huge train wreck and people are desperate for change. Obama could have really pushed the envelope with bold leadership and a really new vision that integrates many of our current problems: climate, energy, agriculture, health care, economic policy, foreign policy, etc.
Instead he chose to surround himself with insiders on the premise that he can more effectively “get things done”. Unfortunately, the devil is in the details of what those “things” are. Like Greenwald, I’m unwilling to write off Obama only a couple of weeks into things, but I also see no reason to believe this cadre of insiders will act to dramatically change anything. Who knows the “incrementalists” may be right and I may be wrong. Still, I had hoped for more. A lot more.
from realclear politics:
snip
I need to point out that there are those among us for whom a generation of a lousy economy will bring us teetering on the edge of our graves. I am not sure I’m willing to be a sacrificial goat. Pretty egocentric, but there you have it.
SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE.
Awesome post, btw.
Oh, lordy, you’re all typing, aren’t you?!
I suspect these guys don’t know how to operate in a tranparent economy without asset bubbles to attract capital.
If there are no more bubbles what does the financial world do with it’s time?
What happens to all the casino workers? I mean their buds? A real job?
i posted a bit of reporting from davos yesterday on the us/uk/german “bad bank plan.” i probably shouldn’t post it again. but here’s the link to my previous comment. bottom line, we’re told there is no alternative.
“This method has the advantage (from the point of view of decision makers) that it leaves the same class of people in charge of the economy.”
Then there better be some other ways they can keep their power…cuz they aint giving it up. Perhaps there is an outside chance they are bored of all the hard work of pushing a few buttons on the computer and making money (or the trillions they stole is enough).
Other than that or the Greatest Depression how would people get motivated enough to even start to conceive of how to change those in power. Democracy is all well and good but we see more signs at this point for Obama (hope & change) to be a continuance of government and Harvard Law/Chicago Economics guy…suprise (not).
Please suprise me in a good way. God when a peon like me call call most of these things there is NO WAY the people in power did not see this coming, and if they did why didn’t they do anything?
there was a funny bit in today’s house agriculture hearing on the proposed derivative regulation where greenberger says (my paraphrase) that if las vegas or the mafia were running it at least the books would be balanced.
How did anyone decide which banks get bailed out and which would fail?
If they’re friends of Goldman Sachs they live; otherwise they die.
what ecahn says. :(
I’m really tired of this class distinction everyone talks about. I thought that we could transcend this, and that America was better than this.
I think of India and the “Untouchables”.
There is another risk with the drag-the-dead-cat strategy, it allows more time to inflate a new bubble (which allows more theft) and then a harder crash.
The core of the problem is that everyone came in and inflated everything to squeeze as much as possible, even on a good day most people were starting to fall off the edge. With the current problems its like lemmings going over the edge. For example as buyer of last resort we were paying (not me but the royal we) $100 bucks for a $10 pair of jeans.
I hope they give us some bread and circus with some Bush trials at least. Be nice to see some criminals go down as we scrape for a thin potato stew (on a good day).
Shit. I just had a tenant call me…a tenant of 10 years…ask if I had something for less money.
I love these folks.
Krugman argues in his book Depression Economics, that there are no more possible bubbles, only depression, or salvation from depression. I had been thinking about the next bubble long before I read the book, and couldn’t come up with what it might be or how it might arise. So Krugman rings true. Besides bubble stem from monetary policy and the FRB has shot its wad. The only way to bail the economy out is fiscal policy and I am unaware of any bubbles that have thus arisen (though I’m not an expert in economic history).
new post
Ian !
O/T … do you think Iggy gambled away the Coalition, thinking that he’ll be able to form a majority Gov’t in 2010 ?
“There are a lot of moving parts on this, and I’ve oversimplified this a fair bit. Nonetheless, at this time, these seem to be the main options under consideration. Which one do you prefer?”
Thank you for simplifying it to make it digestable.
Could there not be some other way that one of these alledged “exemption worthy” people come up with?
Could there be a way to track where some of these trillions went and take it back? Or tax income over $400K at 100%, etc?
Give the choices I would say let it blow up now as long as everyone will get treated the same. What do you do about the people that “earned” or “stole” millions and billions where the hard working bloke broke their back?
Any chance this was just a body blow to boomers who thought they were going to dump all their waste and destruction on the kids or grandkids? Shows if you are not rich you will not escape – funny how it blew up only 6 – 12 months after they started to retire. Leave the money on the table long enough and the house will come and take it (and slap you in the face for good measure).
There is a vacancy in a house for which I am the reluctant landlord. Potential incoming renter needs rent reduction to be able to swing it. These are folks who have disabilities. I hate what we’re doing to ourselves and each other.
Good point, no more Gjeni back in the bottle. I guess as I noted everything has already been bleed out of folks.
At least all the people that were not in the housing market over the last 4 – 10 years have a leg up.
I heard her on DN too. Tellin’ it like it is. We gotta work on getting her and 2 others like her on each of the Sunday bobbleheadfests and make some heads explode on those sets. One Sunday. Do ‘em all.
a couple more links before i bail:
The Untold Daschle Story: The Blacklisting of Progressive Economics
The Obama banks plan: All he is saying is give plutocracy another chance
Not having to pay interest on our money would be nice, hey maybe they could even charge interest (to any private banks or credit worthy housing – 3% 30 year fixed would do wonders for the household budget and allow more spending).
For infrastructure or major stim I think:
-science (teaching jobs, US SCI-SOLAR Core, education)
-engineering (teaching jobs, US ENG-SOLAR Core, education)
-solar/wind/etc
-general education
- mass transit
- mortage transfer (to 3% from the government)
There has to be some constuction:
- water
- roads
- and as noted mass transit
- maybe some insulation type projects
As noted pay people to get something, not just extra millions for the klepto-class. If we are all in the same boat working together it won’t be as Depressing.
Hard to fathom how the robber barons would deal with a quick drop, I think they would give to us upside the head with blunt objects even more than before.
Not sure on pumping to much into construction since we are over-built and they are part of the triangle with real estate and banks that gave us the last bubble.
iirc (from book salon) dean baker said the next bubble is already happening and it’s in dollars.
must rest eyes for a bit now.
We’re negotiating with owners to lower rents in some cases. With a vacancy rate of about 18% a smaller, albeit steadier, revenue stream is better than no revenue stream.
Oh and for some extra cash:
- end war on drugs
- put police power into something useful like writting traffic tickets (to stop some of these killers on the road)
- close about 300 – 700 bases
- stop star wars and robotic bugs or whatever crazy programs are running
What is that about 1 – 2 trillion a year?
The fast rip would just push us into depression. I prefer nationalization because the government can act as a backstop to keep the restructuring and recapitalization a controlled process and keep us out of depression.
Re bubbles, I would suggest that the liquidity trap the Fed and Treasury have been funneling trillions into is setting up a consolidation bubble in the financial industry. This is not so different in terms of the kinds of bubbles we have seen previously except that the major chump in this one is the US government.
One problem is that lots of people are living very big and their expenses are ginormous and they now NEED the incomes and wealth they have to support themselves.
Loads of people will have to come down to earth, give up their yachts, jets, second thrid and forth homes and so on.
Just delurking to say thank you Ian Welsh for these economic posts. You and The Automatic Earth have done the most to educate me in clear, plain nonbullshit-ese ..
And my god, Marcy Kaptur on Democracy Now today … everyone should see this, just to see that there are still actual, sharp, engaged, informed, and pissed-off public servants .. just wow, she was great ..
“we don’t know the size of the hole. it’s a step into the unknown. not a pleasant thing for most people, and especially bad for control freaks.”
Especially considering the alice and wonder land fake economy they created as a way to take all the money is something nobody believes anymore.
Excatly, but I do not worry about yatch and all that since that is so few people. But the pattern applies all over the econ – everyone was maxed out even by food, education, housing (the first house), gas.
You are right everyone (~ 97%) is right up against it – paycheck wealthy maybe, but that does not help if you lose your job.
Nowadays with most housholds needing two incomes the unemployment rate is really close to double – if one person loses their job in a couple chances are the house is gone.
Question from cluelessness.
In Plunder Baker talks about the fall of Long-Term Capital Management Firm. I’ve looked it up but I don’t understand the dynamics of the actual bond trading (Shell and Royal Dutch) that went sour. I understand that the bond prices were supposed to converge but the opposite happened. I want to understand what happened within the market to cause that.
You both know it for sure. Good thing to bring in selise.
For example even just jumping off the dollar would be a major blow.
I am sure we have great things to offer in world crisis situation and nobody wants to take the first blood off the giant.
Hope Obama is really keen to lead with Clinton, etc.
It is likely a global crisis. Ugg, just went over my head.
LTCM is the story of a black swan event. Basically, it made its money using mathematical formulas to profit from small changes in financial instruments. This is OK as long as there are no major shocks to the system but such shocks or black swan events do happen. The people at LTCM should have known this but they didn’t. So when there was a shock to the system like the Russian default in 1998 they were caught with their pants down. They were set up to deal with small changes as the prices of various instruments converged toward some equilibrium price but were caught instead having to deal with diverging prices as investors dumped various instruments and fled to safe havens (raising the price of these).
So they shorted on what they thought was a small difference, a crisis hit, the prices of what they had been shorting rose by a lot, they had to make good on those shorts, and they couldn’t. They needed a big bailout and collapsed.
OK, now I understand how it worked, or didn’t. Thanks. The shorting part was omitted from everything I read. Now I think I understand arbitrage betting.
I’ve been thinking that commodities would be a logical place for hot money. It always has been. But on reflection, it seems like they tried that with oil last summer and even these fools figured out that was too dangerous. If oil hadn’t come down, it might well have been the trigger for serious hostility for the rich.
Nice explanation.
On the main point of the post, I think the bad bank done right idea is best. I suggested in an earlier diary that we buy the toxic waste at a low price and give the sellers an interest in the bad bank as part of the consideration. I’ve also pointed out that it might be a good idea to pass a statute to reduce the cost of dealing with credit default swaps; there are several options here. By carefully thinking about the problem, we could probably reduce the cost of coping with other assets as well. Thoughtful changes to the tax code will help us recoup the losses.
There is another way Eli and one that’s been in front of our faces for decades. We all know that the Federal Reserve was created in 1913. A decision that President Wilson regretted the rest of his life. He sold the heart and soul of the nation for a few pieces of silver. It was the creation of an endless money machine operated by this private banking cartel and they even charged interest with payment on said loans via future generations of taxpayers. Many seem to forget that US Treasury banks operated prior to the Fed’s creation and the term the dollar was as good as gold meant something around the world.
The Kuhnes, Loebs, Warburgs and Rockefellers weren’t fools and knew a cash cow when they moved to make Americans indentured slaves as the I.R.S. was coincidentally created at the same time the Fed came into being. The creation of a “Bad Bank” is the first step in segregating worthless assets from the Federal Reserve system while allowing a new Treasury banking system to be created by nationalizing the major players now. While this is being done a new treasury note begins to circulate, but with a major difference. The new US Treasury dollar is backed not only by the full faith and credit of the U.S., but also backed by gold and silver.
Currently by order of the US Congress which controls weights and measures, all US gold holdings are only valued at $43.50. Why when the rest of the world says gold is worth over $900 a ounce. Could it be that over the years our wonderful Congress jumped in bed with the bankers so as to keep this ponzi scheme going? My 8 year old grandson can even answer that one.
I have no doubt, that if dollars once again were backed by gold and silver ( hard assets with real value ) investors around the world would follow our lead and start investing in T-bills that were backed by something other than hot air. Colin Powel a couple of years ago made mention that our banking system ranks right up there on national security, so when banks are no longer solvent, our national security is at stake. If we the American people are to be the lender of last resort, then the banks should belong to the people just as Jefferson as well as Lincoln stated. As for current share holders in these institutions, you made millions over the years at the expense of others and now your losing your shirts. Boo hoo. There are other segments of the markets you can go make a killing in, but when it comes to banking, the control of money should never have been taken away from the people who spilt their blood and treasure to bring us this far.
The experience of the Nordic banks in the systemic collapse of 1991 offers a number of insights. For one, nationalization or no, the number of banks in the US must shrink. Nationalization has an upside in that the US could finally get a functional payments system. Checks would vanish, the physical cash economy (including the black economy) would shrink and stupid businesses like ATM charges would end. Electronic banking services would begin to approach those of developed nations, making life for business much simpler.
Banking in the Nordic countries was not further nationalized after the crisis, but the debt was. The wind-down of banking-sector debt increased Finland’s central government debt about 40% to 65% of GDP, a bit less in Sweden’s case. As a result, Nordic countries have experiences the same housing bubble as elsewhere. I would note a major difference between Japan and the Nordics — government involvement in capital investment. MITI has been more influential than its Nordic counterparts. In recent years, this has meant that traditional Scandinavian industries such as mining, forest products, and metal fabrication have been shortchanged. Moreover, neglect has meant that no successor to the cellphone and its associate disruptive technologies has emerged. This is a shame; this single technical advance was the consequence of wise education and R&D policies in the ’60s and ’70s. It was a boon for the tax office and employment, and brought in vast amounts of wealth to fill the crater left from the banking crisis.
Thus, the banking crisis in the US raises two questions: How big will the crater ultimately be? and How will we fill it?
How about
“When you make a run for the border you’re bound to cross the line.” — Kris Kristofferson
?
bloody ‘ell!
Sad thing is Washington tends to act like an early version of what California is going through. Sure, they see the train wreck coming. they just don’t want to get out of the way first and let the other guys rake in all the goodies. Somehow they never find ways to really grapple with the big issues like cutting Defense spending. It’s an obvious necessity and yet Obama is accepting (so far as I see) the Defense Dept.’s call for an increase. It’s utterly bizarre.
Cut Defense by about 20% ($100B), cut the (useless) drug war (and related prison system), end our dependence on oil (and the constant flow of cash outward), increase international trade, end our stupid wars as quickly as we safely can. These aren’t hard things to ‘get’.
For the moment we’ve got a stimulus bill coming down the pike and it looks to be about right. After that there’s the huge mortgage problem they really dread (after all, it’s been about a year ago that they saw the ‘crisis’ on their doorstep). The list of huge necessary changes scares them silly because they don’t see a clear way to benefit.
Mostly we need to let financial firms win or lose on their own merit. It’s only keeping the depositors money safe and credit flowing to the economy where government should step in. Regulation of the markets is crucial and we’ve already talked about a lot of ways to do that. I see the ‘bad bank’ thing as just a temporary emergency tool to fix the mortgages and help the financial system get righted. I really don’t care if a bunch of individuals act like idiots and make money, except insofar as it screws things up for everybody else. The government capital injections were to help them lend. Are they lending? If not, why not? Didn’t somebody tell them the money was to lend?
Government needs to flip a coin, start buying bad assets and try to muddle through. Dithering isn’t helping. When they say banks have fixed hundreds of thousands of mortgages they seem to forget there are a lot more which are perfectly good except that the bubble burst and they’re drowning under water. Government has to use force to move things along or all these firms will hold on for dear life and hope everybody else goes bust first. Problem is, even if ‘the others’ go bust first the last will also. Government has to burst some balloons…if the crisis is really as bad as they’re saying. If the crisis isn’t so bad, then let it go on and on and see how many businesses go bankrupt.
I still can’t believe how many people are losing their homes while government talks and talks like it’s some country club party.
There are about a zillion things (we’ve talked about here) which need to be fixed. They should start writing those & making them law as fast as possible. If Summers isn’t giving Obama that advice he should be tossed in the Potomac. In Congress I can’t imagine the hold-up. Is it really that hard to get 2 or 3 committee chairs moving?