As a business person, Warren Buffet quite rightly wanted something for his money when he bought up failed banks that couldn’t get help anywhere else. In fact, he wanted a lot. He expected to have the ability to make sure the same crooks executives weren’t pulling down the same salaries for making the same mistakes, and that the business plan changed. It was pretty basic, a bedrock principle of capitalism, the ability to exercise control appropriate to one’s share of ownership.
We’re about to buy ourselves some failed banks, but we can’t get what Warren Buffet gets because nobody wants to mention the "n" word, nationalization:
One part of that strategy will be addressing the toxic assets that are clogging lenders’ balance sheets and preventing them from expanding credit, people familiar with the matter said last week. Likely approaches include a government-run bad bank to buy and hold some of the securities, and insurance of other assets that remain on banks’ books.
As Dean Baker says, "many, if not most, of our banks are in fact bankrupt… the scope of the toxic asset ‘problem’ has reached $2 trillion… this sum vastly exceeds the capital of the banking system."
But our money somehow isn’t as good as Warren Buffet’s — all we get for it is the "toxic assets":
[T]he Obama administration is looking to hand taxpayer dollars to the banks through a variety of complex mechanisms. The main reason for using complex mechanisms (rather than simply seizing bankrupt institutions) seems to be to conceal the fact that we are handing taxpayer dollars to bank shareholders and the wealthy executives who run them.
Krugman calls it "lemon socialism": "taxpayers bear the cost if things go wrong, but stockholders and executives get the benefits if things go right." Or as Joseph Stiglitz says, it’s "trash for cash."
It’s almost inconceivable that anyone would try to sell this as a good deal for taxpayers, but that’s where we are. Krugman:
“We have a financial system that is run by private shareholders, managed by private institutions, and we’d like to do our best to preserve that system,” says Timothy Geithner, the Treasury secretary — as he prepares to put taxpayers on the hook for that system’s immense losses.
Meanwhile, a Washington Post report based on administration sources says that Mr. Geithner and Lawrence Summers, President Obama’s top economic adviser, “think governments make poor bank managers” — as opposed, presumably, to the private-sector geniuses who managed to lose more than a trillion dollars in the space of a few years.
And this prejudice in favor of private control, even when the government is putting up all the money, seems to be warping the administration’s response to the financial crisis.
So Ronald Reagan tells us that government is the "problem," and George Bush proves it’s true by running the country into the ground. What that really means is that you should never put people in charge of something who philosophically don’t believe that it’s possible to do their jobs well. It doesn’t mean we should be making irrational business deals out of a commitment to the failed ideologies of people who, you know, failed.
We’re paying to nationalize the banks all right, we just can’t talk about it — nor can we profit from it — because the very idea is "socialist" and sits firmly within Jay Rosen’s "sphere of deviance."
According to Rebecca Christie at Bloomberg, they’ll try to put a few band aids on the bill limiting executive "pay" (not compensation) and dividends, and require banks to step-up lending. But when Timothy Geitner appears before the Senate Banking Committee on February 10, or the House Financial Services Committee shortly thereafter, don’t expect anyone to be offering the Americans footing the bill for this deal anything other than the unwanted detritus of the banks. Our representatives don’t think we deserve to get for our money what Warren Buffet gets for his.
If his banks make money, Warren Buffet makes money. He gets to be richer and his shareholders get to be richer. If our banks get richer, we don’t get to have the schools and green energy and healthcare and SUPERTRAINS that the profits could (and should) pay for — that goes to fois gras and Cristal and Gulf Stream jets for the bankers who created this mess. We just get to keep a big pile of shit. Because suggesting anything else is "deviant."




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Just what we need, more shit sandwiches.
here’s a bank we should be federalizing immediatly that would eventually fund the entire bailout…
we need to federalize the fed and use “the prime” for funding these bailouts
I know, itz genius
I’ve come to the conclusion that this country is screwed. The members of the Rush Limpballs Party will not stop until they destroy this country and the spineless Democrats are going to let them do it. It doesn’t matter that we have a Democratic President and Democratic majorities in both houses. How would things have been any different if McThusaleh and Bible Spice had won?
Thank you for this. It needs to be even stronger. MUCH STRONGER.
I’m all ponies and unicorns about my 500 tax cut considering I just got laid off.
when the sphere of consensus is the beltway consensus – those political, media and predator business elite whose ideas of governance have brought on our current multiple crises, then there is no shame in having both feet planted firmly in the sphere of deviance.
It must be a media lie that dims took the WH, scored big in the house and did pretty well in the senate…’cause the way the news is going these days, republics and their version of government are still in control of deecee. Early days yet but the way things are going, this is gonna be a one-term president. The whole horror story of the gregg nomination being a prime example of why. :-(
Damn Millineryman, truly sorry to hear that.
p.s. thank you jane, great post.
this is a better idea then I thought when I first posted
those gettting a bailout will pay additional on top of prime that will fund their welfare
Thanks, I knew it was coming so I was more fortunate then most.
yes, we would have been more vocal and brutalized their robber baron policies
Thank you for introducing your model for consensus, controversy and deviance. I am new to ‘commenting’ and have been trying to discover why many of my comments are not posted in the NYT comments sections. As I go back over my ‘rejected’ comments my theme essentially has been ’sharing our wealth’ with all of our citizens. I mentioned universal health care, living wages, and safety nets. Your model suggests that these are still deviant topics, alongside ‘public ownership’ of banks who are subsidized by public monies.
fuckers.
Anything to avoid the term “nationalize” – throw our taxes into the coffers but don’t do anything to suggest we now own a bank or exercise any control in the business of a bank.
howdy tom! here are some earlier posts on the model
from jay rosen:
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubz……html#more
from jane:
http://firedoglake.com/2009/01…..mory-hole/
Whatever’s become of common sense?
What makes you think we have a D president? He’s destroying the party from within much more effectively than the asshole Rs are doing it from the outside.
Well said.
So sorry to hear that. I know you thought there might be bad news, but that doesn’t help when it finally happens.
((((Millineryman))))
Well it’s not entirely true that we get nothing. We get all the debt!
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3396
It’s just galling that the Financial Elites at the big banks and brokers are lobbying everyone in sight on the bailout. They have an army of Armani’s out there explaining why nationalization is socialism or whatever.
Where does the money come from to pay these people? Taxpayers.
Thanks eCAHN, things should be ok for a while. Onward and upward as the saying goes.
Obama would have been better served had he read more FDR and TR. He doesn’t appear particularly transformational merely telegenic.
damn MM, i’m so sorry to hear that. hope something good turns up soon. best of luck to you and to all who have reason to worry about what tomorrow will bring.
Hey…Let’s be reasonable. These gangsters (sorry, I mean “bankers”) need the Gulf Stream jets. They’ve got to have someplace to enjoy the fois gras and Cristal.
So government isn’t capable of running a financial institution? That would be as opposed to the fucking REtards who managed to take down the international economy in a matter of a few years. When will the distinction finally be made that’s it’s not whether someone works for the government or in private industry that matters. What really matters is whether such individuals are competent or not. I’ve seen plenty of incompetence in the so-called business world, and plenty of competence in government…and vice versa. But wait…that’s too much nuance. Shit.
On the bailout… Is Vaseline included in the package or do the taxpayers have to spring for it out of their own pockets? Can somebody find out and get back to me? Just trying to create a budget.
So, this is the “Change is Coming to America” Obama referred to during the campaign? What a f**king FRAUD this guy is!!
obama is in a very tough place right now. first because he probably thinks he’s getting advice from the best there is and second because of the power the financial (and related) industry has in our politics. the only thing i can think of is to try to get more/different and yes, progressive, ideas into the sphere of legitimate controversy. we need obama to succeed.
Oh, crap! I must have missed this. So sorry. Bet that helps a lot, eh? Wish I could help. I know! Let’s write letters to our Congresscritters! /s
The latest revelation concerning banksters ripoffs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..62906.html
If this link is to the Bank of America Super Bowl expenditures, I think you ought to post a barf and fury warning, FHM! I can’t look at it again. I’d end up back in the cardiac unit.
And here’s another tidbit on how the banksters are using public money.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..63055.html
I’d be happy to write a letter to my congressman (Ken Calvert, 44th district), but unfortunately, he can’t read, let alone that he’s breathtakingly stupid and corrupt.
fair trials!
Josh Marshall has taken to calling the “bad bank” Shitibank so shit sandwiches would certainly be apropos.
Each American taxpayer will receive a roll of toilet paper with their Shitibank shares printed on it and they still won’t be worth the paper they’re printed on.
I really agree with you. How to be vocal enough to paint the picture, to be heard. I have been amazed at the crude, mean sound machine from the other side. Talk about no honey moon with everything distorted. What suggestions do you have for the pushback?
Wait just a darn minute. Who are you and what have you done with the Selise I know and love? /s
Maybe we should send audios! And btw, I am in the unfortunate position of having only one senator while Stormin’ Norman screws around with Minnesota voters.
This is the former CEO of CITI flying to a Mexican resort on CITI Airways.
Thank you. I skimmed Rosen’s article. Those insights will make this process less frustrating. Thanks again.
selise is the anti-Rush. *g*
The vaseline is inclusive in the package, but, you have to buy your own Novocaine.
Thanks selise, first thing is not to worry, to paraphrase Barney Frank, worrying never found a job. I’m working on some things, taking some action and see where it goes.
If you want to write a letter, you should. Making phone calls and sending letters and emails is at the top of our ‘what we can do about it’ list.
“foie gras”!
Not only is the Vaseline included but it will be declared a vegetable by the administration therefore also making it edible.
Will we be seeing organic petroleum jelly soon then?
Shitbanks, ya that sounds about right.
Ha ha. Selise IS Selise. I was just thinking of our dear friend “Context”.
There have been some here who have complained that she’s too negative. I have found that she generally is that persistent voice of questioning the authority.
Now, with some new voices of doom added to the mix, her comment came off as more considerate and even, can I say it, reasonable.
Everyone the Banks, the GOP, Obama’s financial people are lying to themselves either we Nationalize the banks now and stop home foreclosures something nobody is talking about now.
Or more homes will fall into foreclosure. That will make the value of good homes not in debt lower when these people try and sell.
Because the banks will try and sell the homes they foreclosed on quick to make a buck.
But with everyone broke and the Stimulus expected to take a year or more optimistically to take effect well expect a whole year more of lower home prices.
As Banks desperate to sell homes lower their prices.
Which will lower the value of the remaining home debt the banks have.
Either we Nationalize a few banks now and stop home foreclosures or we wait a year and Nationalize a lot of Banks.
(((Selise))) Just in case you’re wonderin’ . . .
LOL!
i can be really pissed at obama for what he is doing and the choices he is making – and at the same time still have compassion for the guy and want him to do well (in this case it helps that we all need him to do well too). maybe it’s a character or intellectual flaw, but i don’t see the contradiction.
No wonder they have all those funds for sewage treatment facilities in the stimulous plan.
Never a doubt. *g*
don’t know. :(
reading here for ideas?
The GOP by being short term thinkers are setting up the conditions where socialism has to take over.
I think it was over a year ago I first said that that Bush’s Treasury giving the banks t bills in exchange for home loan debt at face value would lead to the Nationalization of the banks.
sh*t happens
Hedge funds are next
Action is the best reaction to anything bad that happens. It’s much healthier then internalizing it.
barbara’s first (of many) naive inquiries du jour. How long would it/might it take to nationalize banks? What is/are the first step(s)? What is the downside (for other than Republican snipers)?
(((group hug!)))
Obama needs to talk to Warren and Krugman not his current team of experts.
For those Progressives who are still trying to figure who and what Obama really is and what he really represents allow me to clear up any confusion: He is a Republican who happens to lean just slightly to the right of moderate on social issues…just enough to placate some Democrats in an odd way. So, what can we do? His message or better yet, his prescription to us is simple: “open wide, hold your nose and swallow because more shit is yet to come…”
Can we compost hedge funds instead of having to build sewage treatment facilities
Unfortunately, it looks like failure is the only possible outcome. Anyone think this stimulus, in addition to handing banks more money is going to stop the crash?
Got a little of that going on in my life, too. Very simplistic shortcut from all that Edwin Friedman wrote about family systems, but the phrase “maintain a non-anxious presence” is huge. And he meant that as a deeply felt thing, not as a facade.
Actually, I do write and call (and excoriate) on a regular basis, but Calvert continues saying and doing the same idiotic things he has always done. The guy is evidently too stupid and/or too corrupt to ever do the right thing. I keep hoping the voters will throw his ass out, but it just never seems to happen…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Calvert
Jane,
I do like that there is just a smidge of your collar and neck in the sphere of “Legitimate Controversy”
yes!
and stiglitz and baker and galbraith and i’d even include naomi klein and william greider
Understood and totally agreed.
No contradiction that I can see and keeping issues on the front burners does not preclude our sending out positive and hopeful vibes for the continued healing of our nation and ourselves. There is not room for over- negativity. Then, we’ll all be in worse trouble. That’s what I firmly believe.
Yes, they are. My radical proposal is to make the entire hedge fund concept illegal. They need to “unwind” these funds and place what little bit of cash is left to them into actual stocks. In my opinion, the hedge funds have killed the stock market in the same way that the CDS’s killed mortgages. Both of these problems need to be solved together. Undo the outrageous amounts of leveraging and make the only allowable investments for these crooks to be actual, regulated mortgages, other loans and stock purchases.
Hedge funds are the huge iceberg that no one (not even the regulators) want to talk about. If and when they go…holy shit.
That depends on when the economy gets worse. Think of the 70’s France called out Nixon and wanted payment in gold which we did not have so Nixon went off the gold standard and the Dollar has lost value ever since.
Someone will call us out we have no idea when but as the value of the banks assets goes down and our National debt increases (which limits the governments ability to help the banks.
Well something has to give its only a matter of time.
When it will happen I don’t know only a no tax cut stimulus plan can save the economy fast enough maybe to save the banks.
BAM TO PETRAEUS:
I WON
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..63070.html
(O/T)
A good start. We might also think about serious prison time for any number of the executives who got us into this mess. And I’m not talking about “prison resort”, either. I’m talking maximum security, general population, “you wanna be the husband or wife?”, shank-weilding hard time. That should make them think twice should they ever decide to engage in such practices in the future…
from your link:
now that’s my kind of change!
Looks like the top brass are very upset with Obama’s plans of withdrawing troops. The makings of a coup are lining up.
What are the first steps Obama announces a bank holiday the government goes over several big banks books. I don’t think they will all fail.
Bank shareholders lose everything. Some banks will be forced into bankruptcy after the government goes over their books. Hedgefunds who got loans from the banks to buy homeloans however will be forced to sell assets or merge with the banks.
Hedgefunds bought homeloan debt at $30 of credit given for every $1 of assets they had. Then they used the homeloans as collateral to buy companies like ClearChannel home of Limbaugh, Home Depot which is laying off workers and Chrysler.
Why Dan Quayle thought he and his friends could manage a car company better than a German car company with decades of experience is beyond me.
I expect the Carlyle Group with their exposure to homeloans and military contractors to go under.
Ian or eCHAN could explain this better :) Still I like questions
Just came in. I have been talking about nationalization for some time now. I have also been talked about how Summers and Geithner represent a continuation of the policies (if you can call them that) of Paulson and Bernanke.
The important thing here is just as P&B’s policies didn’t work, neither will Summers and Geithner’s. There have already been programs both at Treasury and the Fed to take some of these crap assets off banks’ books. These efforts have had no effect. Summers and Geithner want to take off even more and as Jane points out get nothing but crap and debt in return. This is stupid beyond words. Nor will banks use their fresh balance sheets to help the economy. They will do as little as possible and continue to speculate and pursue a policy of takeovers and consolidation into even more banks too big to fail.
When you add in the Obama stimulus which is too small and too geared to fairly unproductive tax cuts rather than spending, then we are looking at an Obama economic policy that simply is not going to work. In 18 months, we could well find ourselves in a far worse position and with fewer resources to deal with it.
This is not good. In fact, it is very, very bad.
This is very helpful. Thanks. I have decided to continue my lifelong habit of being a mile wide and a quarter-inch deep, but every so often, I need to know more! *g*
The Dow will drop like a stone as people pull money out wondering which banks are next. We will need transparency from Obama as to whats going on to prevent a full financial panic.
Selise has a diary on transparency that worries me:(
Visibly unhappy? One would think that the joy and power of having been the one to toss the coin at the game yesterday would be enough to keep his
spiritswoody up for at least 24 hours.(do I need a snark tag..I usually only allow myself one a day.)
Their paper is so toxic it would become an EPA supper fund site.
However if the economy gets bad enough the banks might fearing nationalization demand more collateral from the hedgefunds because the homeloans the hedgefunds bought from the banks are no longer worth enough money to act as collateral for the big companies the hedge funds bought.
This is my scenario number 2
this is fdl, i’m pretty sure jane has them handed out for free at the door *g*
I wish we could get any three of them to talk about the stimulus at the Lake:)
You misunderstood, “Change is Coming to America.” Small Chnage. The real money will go to wall st.
(Reading and learning. Please continue to talk amongst yourselves!!)
See how quickly I unlurk to ask another naive question? Where is it written that someone other than the government pull together a team/panel/herd of experts to do a nationally noticed economic summit?
Me too. Obama needs to get Petrais, Ordienero, and Gates out of his way.
Two things: First, Cerberus was after the financial arm not the automaking operation. Second, you have to remember the dominant policy of the paper economy has been that financial instruments were all essentially equivalent, that it wasn’t necessary to understand anything about the underlying asset or market. I know this sounds crazy but a lot of this thinking persists as for example in how exchanges are being set up to trade CDSs or how all the approaches have favored the financial side instead of oh say homeowners.
smgumby – see hugh @ 79. don’t know of anyone here with a better track record on these matters.
To which I would add credit default swaps and many other complex financial instruments I am too uneducated to name.
But this is for the future right now we have to deactivate these bombs doing nothing is not an option.
lol, i just had this long comment, which i deleted as too pie-in-the-sky, asking if there was a way we could find a way to have some kind of conference with some of the major progressive economists. not just so we could ask questions, but so that they would talk to each other and argue about their various visions for what a progressive economic policy would look like and include.
We need a plan we need the best Lefty economists to come up with something.
My plans rely on them having one otherwise its bad very bad.
And the Banks and GOP better pray the Stimulus works better than even we hope it will.
I am so serious about this. Not as a critique of Obama et al, but rather as an adjunct process, so that many may be heard, all in one place at one time.
Re hedge funds, they are private so they can hide their insolvency. They can do this even more, because they have been tightening up their withdrawal policies which were already fairly restrictive. So if investors can’t get access to their funds, the hedge funds can sit around for quite a while pretending they are worth something.
Your questions made me think I learn more trying to explain myself it forces me to explain/question what I think I already know.
Oh, yes. Huge baskets of them at front and back doors. It’s a self editing thing. If I find that too many of my comments are sarcastic, I have to withdraw from the tubes and check my attitude. It’s how I try to stay sane.
Yessss! We are on the same wavelength. Help me raise this up to beyond pie-in-sky level!
Jane? Christy? Are we on to something here or should someone take out the elephant tranquilizer gun and take us/me down?
where is it written?
i think that would be in sphere of consensus (aka the Village). but we don’t live there, so those rules don’t apply.
Its not written anywhere plus we would get MSM coverage :)
I have found the very same thing in my life. By having to crystalize our beliefs or opinions in specific words, we hone in on what it is.
I’ve always said you’re a smart man, haven’t I?
I think they do quite a bit of that at the Center for American Progress.
Barbara and Selise…
You are surely on to something. Pie-in-the-sky is needed. Here and everywhere. We are a village as I see it. We each have our gifts and perspectives and voices and FDL is all the better because of that. That’s just in my opinion. My views may not reflect those of anyone else.
Yet now they have it and its dragging them down
My Italics that is the same business management style that teaches that a good CEO does not need expertise in the company or field he manages he just needs to manage the experts, dept heads, etc
Bush has disproved that theory. Still I take your point you explain just what the hedgefunds and the banks who approved the loans based on these business plans were thinking.
My next question is just what kind of crap do the elite schools teach the elite?
We would need an extra long book club type session but I’m game:)
Thanks your smart and Nice:) I should work on being more nice I think.
My next question is just what kind of crap do the elite schools teach the elite?
I’m not really sure they teach them anything. Mainly elite schools (as for example John Hopkins hiring Henry Paulson) provide connections, not knowledge.
“WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. John McCain says he’d vote against the bill backed by President Obama to pump up the economy.
The former GOP presidential nominee said Monday on CNN’s “American Morning” that he’s working with a group of fellow Republican senators to come up with an alternative package that emphasizes payroll tax cuts, incentives for people to stay in their homes, and an end to the stimulus spending when the economy begins to recover.”
See — this is why looking back is so important. FDR bowed to the same thing when the economy started to turn — let’s take away the stimulus — and the economy limped after that until WWII.
John McCain — the guy who admits knowing nothing about economics is all over the talk shows offering his sage advice and saying the Dems better seriously negotiate. And the stupid press goes merrily along with this despite the overwhelming Democratic victory in November that it is the Dems that better get their act together and not the GOP that brought us to where we are today.
I believe you. But I am thinking that something radically different may be called for here. Not same old, same old (not to denigrate CAP’s efforts, but know what I’m saying?).
((Things))
i’m pretty sure that CAP is a subsidiary of the dem party (some of the better parts) – what is needed, imo anyway, is something from outside the party. but can’t see how this might be done. ideally would be for the “guests” to all actually be in the same room for the discussion and then have it live-blogged and video streamed (like that q&a we had with dodd about a year ago).
like i said above though, pie-in-the-sky, especially at this late date. but maybe people who know more about these things have other thoughts?
Connections like how Bush got the presidency so our big corporations and government our run by a CRONY ocracy government of Cronies?
This explains so much of why everything went wrong. Cronies protect themselves from outside competition for as long as they are able.
Attempts to fix the system would mean criticizing another Crony so it never gets done until the system fails.
Errors never corrected build up until the system fails.
((DEMI)) We can and should all try and learn from each other even the most humble can teach us all something.
You are not the most humble by any means many of us listen to you but you are among the nicest:)
That may be so, but there are some rethugs in it, like Mickey Edwards, who I was very impressed with.
i meant in practice – don’t know about funding sources. don’t have a problem with them, was just thinking about something a little more independent.
Our economic model is a complete failure. We have a system where creating losers is a guarantee. Wall Street has long ago declared war on the working class. Cutting jobs is rewarded with increased stock values and percs to the CEOs, CFOs, COOs that make it happen. Most stocks are managed by fund managers who are rewarded by the return on those funds that they manage. All they look at is this quarter. No one is looking to repair or modify this system. It won’t happen until there is a complete colapse. The long term goal of many industries are plants that don’t require any lights to be turned on because the robots that make the product can function in the dark. Workers go sell hamburgers.
Someone should write and publish a book about our society and economy and call it “The Greening of America”, also someone should write a song and call it “All Along the Watchtower” – it should be so good that Hendrix would cover it, Neil Young, U2, and Dave Matthews too.
The taxpayers’ job, like government, is not to promote private [sic] enterprise. (Banks who take billions in subsidies for mismanaging and losing billions of dollars of other people’s money are no longer “private”; they are more socialist than Aneurin Bevan.)
Taxpayers’ want programs that work well, that use their scarce tax dollars wisely, for both short- and long-term programs that promote their welfare, and that accomplish things they could not do individually.
That’s also how Beltway Villagers and corporate ceo’s view government and your tax dollars, except that the welfare they want promoted is exclusively their own. (Though they hide that behind slogans and fraudulent claims, like those of “trickle down” economics.) Trouble is, their whisper in government’s ear is louder than any number of DFH’s and Main Street families’.
Mr. Obama should ban the hiring of all former lobbyists by his administration. Putting them in charge of anything, much less the selection of judges, an agency, or prioritizing government programs is viciously detrimental to the interests of 95% of American taxpayers.
Hey, where’s your snark (/s) symbol on that!
Not that it’s experts, but MSNBC was just talking about organizing house parties about the economy all over the country! With those, they may be able to arrange conference calls. They did something like this during the election I believe in 2006; I’m not sure whether they did it during the 2008 election or not.
The NYT also has a story on bailing out banks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02…..=1&hp
It goes touches various bases but mostly repeats that crap assets are too difficult to value. This is fundamentally untrue. Especially within the framework of a nationalization, the government can asset them at pre-bubble prices, i.e. with a 40% cramdown. If economic conditions worsen, then this cramdown might have to go below pre-bubble rates.
i want some transparency wrt the books prior to any bank getting one more dime of taxpayer money.
and yeah, i know. another pie-in-the-sky fantasy.
It feels as though transparency is going by the wayside in this rush to get ‘er done. Get that stimulus through no matter what. Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. That kind of thing. Transparency is about details, ma’am. Got no time for details. /s (there’s my ID’d snark for this thread)
Rhetorical: Why is it so damn hard to get accountability built into every single process? Because we’re out of the habit? Because it takes too much time? Because it cramps the style of the flouters? This seems to me to be absolute bedrock for every single thing on the table and headed there. Or is that just me?
Thanks for your helpful feedback. I really do endeavor to be an affective communicator and your frankness with me gives me information on what I need to work on. *g*
Humility.
And, I’m not being snarky. I prefer to use the word endeavor instead of try, just because I love to write. But, I’m going to keep in my mind your comment, because reaching people is my goal and anything in my attitude that gets in the way, is something for me to be aware of.
Such transparency could only take place through a nationalization because only then could the government value assets (at pre-bubble prices), as opposed to the banks’ cooking the books overvaluing their crap. And only then could the government backstop the banks because such a declaration would show essentially that all banks are currently insolvent.
Selise, all the pie talk is working on my sweet tooth.
Coconut Cream, Fresh Peach…I might have to run out to the market soon.
Or, Accountability Pie with a huge dollop of Transparency on top.
don’t disagree in the slightest – my problem in imagining a fair and transparent accounting via nationalization is that geithner et al. would be in charge of it.
oh, that sounds really good. do you have a recipe? *g*
…
p.s. jane up with a new post: Fiscal Conservatism, Blue Dog Style: Much Love for Banks; Tough Love for Taxpayers
Oh ha. But, I was waiting for Barbara to say “Humble Pie”.
See you upstairs.
(((Demi))) LOL
If politics is the art of the possible, seems democracy is doing itself in, here is the USA.
Yeah and maybe while we’re at it let’s get the Fed to tell us WTF they’ve been pouring money into:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj0JAfq4esk
C’mon, we’ve been eating shit sandwiches for 30 years. You should be used to them by now.
aka shitwiches
Yup. But this is what happens when you have conservatives controlling the news sources that for half a century most Americans used more than any other up until recently, and which are still very potent brain-shapers: The evening TV news and drive-time radio.
That’s why the Cons wanted — and got — the Fairness Doctrine killed in 1987. They had Rush Limbaugh ready and waiting to go national, which they started by all but giving his show away to small stations, most of them rural early on, in need of cheap programming. Only the Fairness Doctrine stood in their way. Once it was gone, Limbaugh and other well-financed hate-radio jocks swarmed the AM dial, and FOX News followed less than a decade later.
This is what we get with Summers and Geithner advising Obama. Failures profiting all around (including Summers and Geithner).