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		<title>By: msaroff</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/02/no-banks-means-no-banking-crisis/#comment-1816878</link>
		<dc:creator>msaroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wanted to note that I made the same point, I called it &lt;a href=&quot;http://40yrs.blogspot.com/2009/01/submitted-to-marketplace_20.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;amputating Wall Street&lt;/a&gt;, as did &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2009/01/the-good-bank-solution/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Willem Buiter&lt;/a&gt;, he called it the “good bank” solution.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanted to note that I made the same point, I called it <a href="http://40yrs.blogspot.com/2009/01/submitted-to-marketplace_20.html" rel="nofollow">amputating Wall Street</a>, as did <a href="http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2009/01/the-good-bank-solution/" rel="nofollow">Willem Buiter</a>, he called it the “good bank” solution.</p>
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		<title>By: jackie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/02/no-banks-means-no-banking-crisis/#comment-1816642</link>
		<dc:creator>jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian, I know you probably won’t see this comment (Way EPU’D), but your post makes so much sense. Thank-you :)&lt;br /&gt;
And, have you sent it to the White House? ( you really should)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I know you probably won’t see this comment (Way EPU’D), but your post makes so much sense. Thank-you :)<br />
And, have you sent it to the White House? ( you really should)</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/02/no-banks-means-no-banking-crisis/#comment-1816612</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=9183&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This paper by Abraham and Hendershott&lt;/a&gt; includes a basic equilibrium model to estimate where the momentum of prices in a metropolitan-type market is likely to end up. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.knowledgeplex.org/programs/jhr/pdf/jhr_0702_abraham.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The pdf file is here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=9183" rel="nofollow">This paper by Abraham and Hendershott</a> includes a basic equilibrium model to estimate where the momentum of prices in a metropolitan-type market is likely to end up. <a href="http://www.knowledgeplex.org/programs/jhr/pdf/jhr_0702_abraham.pdf" rel="nofollow">The pdf file is here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ImperialFlow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/02/no-banks-means-no-banking-crisis/#comment-1816549</link>
		<dc:creator>ImperialFlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I certainly agree with the sentiment of kicking out the middleman.  It’s something of an anachronism to provide fed lending only to commercial banks.  It’s explicitly inefficient from a fundamental market-function perspective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only glaring issue I see is that doing as your suggesting, as with most things unfortunately, requires that we have a government that is adversarial to capital aggregation in corporate entities not beholden to protecting the public trust; rather than complicit or cooperative with it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the moment we don’t have any regulatory, administrative, or legislative bodies who have adversarial relationships with exploitive industry; save for maybe the FDIC.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>I certainly agree with the sentiment of kicking out the middleman.  It’s something of an anachronism to provide fed lending only to commercial banks.  It’s explicitly inefficient from a fundamental market-function perspective.</p>
<p>The only glaring issue I see is that doing as your suggesting, as with most things unfortunately, requires that we have a government that is adversarial to capital aggregation in corporate entities not beholden to protecting the public trust; rather than complicit or cooperative with it.</p>
<p>At the moment we don’t have any regulatory, administrative, or legislative bodies who have adversarial relationships with exploitive industry; save for maybe the FDIC.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting.  Well, maybe the deal on the legislation will have to include a “modesty panel” of discovery obfuscation for the CDO holders, for example maybe the servicing bank can be empowered to handle the litigation so the CDO never has to get unrolled in public.  Actually I’m not sure I’d even force the mortgagee to go through a formal bankruptcy, maybe we need a new term like “Mortgage Resolution Proceeding” so that the mortgagee isn’t unnecessarily tarred as happens in a bankruptcy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On your second point, I agree a PR campaign should be able to do the trick.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  Well, maybe the deal on the legislation will have to include a “modesty panel” of discovery obfuscation for the CDO holders, for example maybe the servicing bank can be empowered to handle the litigation so the CDO never has to get unrolled in public.  Actually I’m not sure I’d even force the mortgagee to go through a formal bankruptcy, maybe we need a new term like “Mortgage Resolution Proceeding” so that the mortgagee isn’t unnecessarily tarred as happens in a bankruptcy.</p>
<p>On your second point, I agree a PR campaign should be able to do the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This piece will scare the crap out of the banks Ian.:) Take on the Payday loan companies next!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece will scare the crap out of the banks Ian.:) Take on the Payday loan companies next!</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah.  Bankruptcy court is where we are looking for this required renegotiation to take place — but there are two wrinkles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, the national banks and mortgage brokers don’t want any of their mortgages to go to court in any way, shape or form; I suspect that they are worried about discovery.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Second, many “eligible” folks are actively avoiding anything they receive from a bank, let alone from a court; we need to turn around their skepticism or cynicism about the process, make it completely transparent and advertise widely cases that are successful in order to win these people over who’ve been burnt too many times.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we can get around these two points, we are much closer to “eventually”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  Bankruptcy court is where we are looking for this required renegotiation to take place — but there are two wrinkles.</p>
<p>First, the national banks and mortgage brokers don’t want any of their mortgages to go to court in any way, shape or form; I suspect that they are worried about discovery.</p>
<p>Second, many “eligible” folks are actively avoiding anything they receive from a bank, let alone from a court; we need to turn around their skepticism or cynicism about the process, make it completely transparent and advertise widely cases that are successful in order to win these people over who’ve been burnt too many times.</p>
<p>If we can get around these two points, we are much closer to “eventually”.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re making too much sense, Ian. Heck, if we’d just set up our own bank with that $700 billion, we’d be out of this thing in months. Next time, I hope someone tries that first.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re making too much sense, Ian. Heck, if we’d just set up our own bank with that $700 billion, we’d be out of this thing in months. Next time, I hope someone tries that first.</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lets hope for better macroeconomic policy, so we can find out. I will be glad to have my agnosticism removed one way or the other asap.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets hope for better macroeconomic policy, so we can find out. I will be glad to have my agnosticism removed one way or the other asap.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure if a recovery will give you that because at some point peak oil will begin to exert a price effect.  The main thing is to take non-commercial traders out of the market, increase margins, and make sure markets are transparent and regulated.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not sure if a recovery will give you that because at some point peak oil will begin to exert a price effect.  The main thing is to take non-commercial traders out of the market, increase margins, and make sure markets are transparent and regulated.</p>
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