All right, I was weeping too.
To be honest, the restoration of science was the least of it, but when Barack Obama proclaimed during his Inaugural Address that he would “restore science to its rightful place,” you could feel a dark cloud lifting like a sigh from the shoulders of the scientific community in this country.
As Overbye himself admits, this is just a few pixels in the big picture, where issues like healthcare, economic stimulus, and troop levels rule the headlines, but it has great symbolic and practical import.
Great symbolic import, because the scientific ethos is so diametrically opposite to BushCo’s faith-and-propaganda-based approach:
[Scientific] values, among others, are honesty, doubt, respect for evidence, openness, accountability and tolerance and indeed hunger for opposing points of view….
Nobody appeared in a cloud of smoke and taught scientists these virtues. This behavior simply evolved because it worked.
How refreshing that is after eight years of secrets and lies, of ideology trumping reality. If we’re lucky, this same mindset will be applied to a wide range of problems, not just the obviously scientific ones. Although I would counsel wariness on the tolerance and hunger for opposing points of view. It’s okay to hear them out, but you don’t have to actually go along with them if they’re total rubbish that’s been empirically disproved (I’m looking at you, economic team).
And great practical import, because if we drift another eight years without meaningful action on global warming, Earth will have a lot more desert and a lot more ocean for centuries to come. Letting scientists back on the bus means an administration that takes the climate crisis seriously and looks for practical solutions, rather than the climate equivalent of abstinence education ("we’ll just adapt to our new underwater desert planet and become mer-Fremen!"). It also means an administration that might actually lead on global warming, rather than passively observing or actively obstructing.
Not everyone likes the honest, questioning, truth-seeking approach, but it’s probably the only way out of the various messes in which we find ourselves. It’s also more consistent with the ideals of democracy:
It is no coincidence that these are the same qualities that make for democracy and that they arose as a collective behavior about the same time that parliamentary democracies were appearing. If there is anything democracy requires and thrives on, it is the willingness to embrace debate and respect one another and the freedom to shun received wisdom. Science and democracy have always been twins.
More science, and more democracy, please. If something’s not working, I want a president who will admit the error and fix it, not double down on it and spin it as a success.



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Good analogy comparing abstinence education to the Bush philosophy on controlling carbon emissions. Both result in a lot of unrestricted spewing.
Victory through denial!
Science? What’s that?
Give it time, it’ll come back to you.
an interesting German article (in English) of the full measure of shrub’s murderous science and environmental policies:
http://www.spiegel.de/internat…..74,00.html
“BUSH’S WAR ON SCIENCE The Stalin Era for Environmental Protection”
yup
my pet peeve, anyone who wants magic and wizards taught to explain anything they don’t want us to understand
I have a new rule;
“science means no wizards, if we can’t explain it that means we need to study it, it does not mean a grand wizard did it”
I do not mind those who believe in the grand wizard, (I happen to be one of them) however you teach magic and wizardry in other classes.
for instance I was taught Greek mythology in history class, there is nothing wrong with being taught the history of this belief with all it’s wizards, warlocks and witches running around behind the grand wizards back
I also have no problem teaching modern wizardry in a social class, a history class or any kind of class that studies history and beliefs at various phases of human development
but the rule must be;
“no wizards, no magic in science class”
that’s my rule
One benefit of the Cold War was that the U.S. was so worried about the Soviets leading us in science that we promoted the hell out of education. I’d like to see that sort of emphasis happen again. Climate change should provide an impetus comparable to the prospect of nuclear destruction. Both have the potential to result in human extinction.
climate change would also be the new “industrial revolution”, it will provide jobs, investment, it will help expand our gnp and it will expand our knowledge.
I make the point to warming deniers that climate change is a no lose proposition, putting people to work and educating us at the same time for our investment dollars
sweet
It’s amazing to me that our national pride no longer demands that we have the most educated citizens on the planet.
Now our pride takes a form such that we refuse to *admit* that we don’t have the most educated citizens on the planet.
quite a post there eli, quite a sad post
Plus, y’know, the whole East-and-West-coasts-not-being-underwater thing.
More science. Less Bush-era Lysenkoism.
It was supposed to be hopeful. But the last eight years have been a tragedy.
sad but true
I actually tried to work in a crack about a phlogiston-based economy…
my ten was for your nine eli
off to bed, see all later when I can’t sleep
Ah, okay. No argument there, then.
The rapid pace at which college education is being priced out of reach of middle-income Americans is very alarming.
At one of DFA meetings a couple attended who were former contractors in DC, they worked for the EPA and told us how the whole EPA library is completely gone, everything. The wife worked at the US Fish & Game and told how land plot books from the mid 1800’s were just throw into the garbage. They disregarded science from experts and did what industry wanted.
My father worked for three state Fish & Game, US Forest Service prior to his retirement in 1986. What BushCo did to these agencies and to science clearly breaks his heart. Putting in roads into desolation areas, the wholesale clear cutting of forests…… just broke his heart and his peers.
g’nite perris
g’nite, perris
Welcome to the 21st century gameshow, “Bug Or Feature?”.
jinx!
It’s truth that has triumphed. We’ve had 8 years of fantasy.
Do I owe you a drink? Can’t comment until someone says my name? What’s next?
It’s so refreshing to be back to reality
ratfood, a drink is in order
I think a lot of us never lost touch with reality. The difference between now and the preceding eight years is that our present reality contains a grain of cautious optimism.
There’s something else I want back, habeus corpus protection. What exactly has to be done to get that back? I haven’t heard it mentioned.
Place your order, I’m buying.
someday somebody will write the definitive book on why we tolerated all this crap for 8 years.
Path of least resistance.
I expect it will include the phrase “collective insanity”.
Digg is open.
Yeah, I can recall a time when it was actually somewhat cool to be considered intelligent. Hell, even in high school as far as that goes.
Can you imagine science being first in our government in the regulatory agencies….hmmmm
-Contaminated peanut butter would not be sold to the public for two years killing people when the company KNEW it was contaminated…..
-Restore trust in the drugs prescribed, no contaminated ingredients from China, no hiding clinical trials where patients died……
-Inspection of food and toys from China…..
-Protecting Americans from toxic chemicals in the water, food and our air.
oo
9:30 on a Tuesday night, and expecting a snow storm? I’ll take hot chocolate with a dash of whipped cream, thank you.
how about adopting THE METRIC SYSTEM?
hehe.. forget China. It’ll take years for the FDA to rebuild the basic capabilities to police imports. These days they’re finding (and doing nothing about) melamine in American-made baby food.
Good article by Cynthia Tucker
Done.
You can see why the metric system never caught on in the U.S.. Not enough people who can count to ten.
Same here. Central NY. Major snowstorm coming in. My daughter, the teacher, is as excited as a first grader.
another sad but true
What a novel concept…….. Health care has embraced the “military or European” means of time using the 24hr clock to reduce errors…… Wasn’t one of the big issues at NASA due to the conversion of metric to the American system (what is it called?)…Ford & GM wouldn’t need to have two odometer systems
the fundie god created earth in 7 days, right? Why do we need to be able to count to ten?
I think we did lose a Mars probe due to calculations being in metric instead of British, or vice versa.
I’m a little disturbed to think I was in my 20s when that Thomas Dolby video came out and that it was such a looong time ago.
She blinded you with science?
All hail katymine’s parents!
Freeze warning in Phoenix….. we might get below 32 tonight….. need to cover my herbs ……
*points to top of post*
Actually, they claim six days. The seventh was a day of rest. Only a real Underachiever would require seven days.
When the mama chicken and the papa chicken fall in love, AFTER they get married, the mama chicken starts laying eggs. And that’s how babies are made. It’s science.
Ask yer mom if ya wanna know more. *G*
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Dugg. thanks ratfood.
what can I say, she blinded me.
The peanut butter distributor knew is was poison?
Gee SCIENCE in the White House Du’Oh whoda thunk! It is about fucking time Grown ups are running our country and are giving creed to peer reviewed Science!! Maybe we will get some fundamental changes to policy that has far reaching consequences for every citizen.
Do you think the pollution from Big Business will be curbed? Or will it be same ol’e crap?
Thanks ratfood for opening the DIGG!
What? Your daughter is a young teacher? Congratulations to her! Never going to get rich, but never going to suffer in times like these (assuming she can keep her job…and not be pink-slipped).
Called Standard.
You’ll get no sympathy from this crowd. It was down to 55% this morning here. Had to bundle up!
Don’t think it has been above 20 here in the past week.
This is so good! There needs to be some kind of review by the Obama admin. of the “science” that has received funding through Land Grant colleges and/or in conjunction with agencies like the Forest Service and BLM. Because in much of the West, only “studies” that supported myths of the public land ranching or the need to manipulate forests lest they be “unhealthy” were funded over the past 8 miserable years.
CNN had something today about establishing a jihadi rehab program to transition gitmo detainees back into polite society. i want to knoe whether we could nominate a few of our own fundie haters for it? I mean, it just doesn’t seem right that such a socially beneficial program should be restricted to foreigners, does it?
Some religions have a deity that doesn’t even take a day. Poof, it’s done. No having to go through all these stages of separating this from that, creating plants, oh and then “the sun and the moon” the next day (good luck with that…no solar radiative heating?), filling the seas and air with living things before the creatures that go creepy-crawly on the ground.
I caught this the other day from Glenn Greenwald’s column, he stated that Habeus Corpus was reinstated through a ruling by the Supreme Court in June, 2008.
You know, I wondered about this when I kept seeing libraries having book sales of library books they had had for years…they got shiny new buildings or additions…but got rid of all that knowledge. And now with your comment, things are pulling together–reflections of this Admin’s aversion to science and knowledge.
i was at the inauguration, (silver tkt – dont ask), & one of the 2 best moments for me, (aside from biden & BO being sworn), was the sentence,
“we will restore science to its rightful place”. i screamed yeeeessssss & jumped up & down – to my neighbors amusement. (member of union of concerned scientists)
(the other best moment was when bush flew overhead – a great emotional release for many as we shouted epithet’s upward)
You know, I wondered about this when I kept seeing libraries having book sales of library books they had had for years…they got shiny new buildings or additions…but got rid of all that knowledge. And now with your comment, things are pulling together–reflections of this Admin’s aversion to science and knowledge.
They’re merely transferring the knowledge to us citizens, because we’re the best judges of what to do with it. You don’t want socialized knowledge, do you?
Eli– I can’t tell if your comment is snark or not, so with that in mind –
I see libraries as the great equalizer–anyone can get a library card and check out books to further their understanding of themselves and their world. Without those books (that they’ve sold off), the amount of information available shrinks.
That’s where my concern was with the selling off of books that I’ve seen in the last eight years–sure, *someone* gets to purchase that book, but then it’s not available for others to also learn from it.
I hold the deepest respect for Union of Concerned Scientists.
Oh, it was very much conservative-channeling snark.