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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Union Members Oppose Employee Free Choice&#8221; and Other Knee Slappers By W. James Antle III</title>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The thing about potentially offering limited waivers for retired military types for Education Certifications is due to the fact that many military members have already received significant amounts of training in presentations, conducting classroom exercises, and building lesson plans as part of their on-going training and responsibilities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would obviously have to be on a case-by-case basis, but it is not uncommon.  Abd in fact most every field offers some level of waivers if the person requesting can show that their experience and background and trianing has already covered it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IANAL but I do think that it is still possible (although not as likely) to gain admittance to the law by apprenticeship without ever going to law school.  At least in some states.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about potentially offering limited waivers for retired military types for Education Certifications is due to the fact that many military members have already received significant amounts of training in presentations, conducting classroom exercises, and building lesson plans as part of their on-going training and responsibilities.</p>
<p>It would obviously have to be on a case-by-case basis, but it is not uncommon.  Abd in fact most every field offers some level of waivers if the person requesting can show that their experience and background and trianing has already covered it.</p>
<p>IANAL but I do think that it is still possible (although not as likely) to gain admittance to the law by apprenticeship without ever going to law school.  At least in some states.</p>
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		<title>By: lonestarleroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonestarleroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do not know enought about the military schools to doubt their education as anything but excellent. My area of rural texas did not have them growing up. I think the concern was the targeting of minority youth only. I to have no problem with some limited waiver of some requirements, but this is a slippery slope. I dont remember those waivers for nursing, dr, law, cpa ect even when the need exist. Let me say thanks to all military for their service and to your family for its service as educators. I have heard for years about all these chemical engineers that want to teach if only they did not have to have education degrees. (Insert whatever teaching specialization you wish) I do also still remember a member of the leg. here saying that we should hire drill instructors that retired since they would have been working with kids and could work for cheap since they were getting a retirement. When a profession does not control its professional licensure it will always be hurt by poeple just coming into it. Kinda like TDC here in Texas advertising for DR. for the prison at all of $30K.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know enought about the military schools to doubt their education as anything but excellent. My area of rural texas did not have them growing up. I think the concern was the targeting of minority youth only. I to have no problem with some limited waiver of some requirements, but this is a slippery slope. I dont remember those waivers for nursing, dr, law, cpa ect even when the need exist. Let me say thanks to all military for their service and to your family for its service as educators. I have heard for years about all these chemical engineers that want to teach if only they did not have to have education degrees. (Insert whatever teaching specialization you wish) I do also still remember a member of the leg. here saying that we should hire drill instructors that retired since they would have been working with kids and could work for cheap since they were getting a retirement. When a profession does not control its professional licensure it will always be hurt by poeple just coming into it. Kinda like TDC here in Texas advertising for DR. for the prison at all of $30K.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FWIW, my mother, aunts on both sides of the family and numerous cousins on both sides of the family were/are school teachers at every level from Kindergarten/First grade through High School and into tenured university positions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have no problems with requiring folks to take some certification courses but I also think we can gain by recruiting retired military types into teaching and giving them waivers on some of the cert requirements.  It is not unknown for folks to receive waivers for some of the requirements when changing fields, based on background and education.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And having attended a Military HS where my mother was librarian, it can actually be a decent education.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, my mother, aunts on both sides of the family and numerous cousins on both sides of the family were/are school teachers at every level from Kindergarten/First grade through High School and into tenured university positions.</p>
<p>I have no problems with requiring folks to take some certification courses but I also think we can gain by recruiting retired military types into teaching and giving them waivers on some of the cert requirements.  It is not unknown for folks to receive waivers for some of the requirements when changing fields, based on background and education.</p>
<p>And having attended a Military HS where my mother was librarian, it can actually be a decent education.</p>
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		<title>By: lonestarleroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonestarleroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The article points out his use of military schools in poor areas of the district. Not about military hiring as teachers. Just a point about the military hiring let me say this. I have taught now for ten years, after completing a career in law enforcement. I have heard the call for more ex military as teachers. I have no problem with that as long as they meet certification and take the required courses. If not then let me be a CPA, nurse, dr. police, or any other craft that requires a license. What this is will always be how can we get people retired from another job to do this job cause we know we do not wish to compete in the marketplace to get them. He is another that got into school buisness at the top, not sitting next to a student. This guy and the lady in DC are both short term and will not fix anything. You want to do education, we need teachers not administrators. Till being a teacher is considered a good job forget it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article points out his use of military schools in poor areas of the district. Not about military hiring as teachers. Just a point about the military hiring let me say this. I have taught now for ten years, after completing a career in law enforcement. I have heard the call for more ex military as teachers. I have no problem with that as long as they meet certification and take the required courses. If not then let me be a CPA, nurse, dr. police, or any other craft that requires a license. What this is will always be how can we get people retired from another job to do this job cause we know we do not wish to compete in the marketplace to get them. He is another that got into school buisness at the top, not sitting next to a student. This guy and the lady in DC are both short term and will not fix anything. You want to do education, we need teachers not administrators. Till being a teacher is considered a good job forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: nonplussed</title>
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		<dc:creator>nonplussed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Duncan was a terrible choice, no matter how one paints it. I was hoping for a true reformer, someone who had ideas to move education into the 21st Century.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan was a terrible choice, no matter how one paints it. I was hoping for a true reformer, someone who had ideas to move education into the 21st Century.</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
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		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Much of the rest of the entry has to do with privitization and other issues.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
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		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Assuming much of the point is not to recruit poor people to fight our wars.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Disturbing as well is the prominence of Duncan’s belief in offering a key role in public education to the military.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not sure if this is his perspective but from I’ve understood the idea of hiring retired military as teachers in disadvantaged public schools is not necessarily a bad idea.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And this is not just retired officers as there are many enlisted types/non-commissioned, who have bachelors and masters degrees.  They’ve spent a lot of time teaching and training folks and probably have both knowledge of how to control situations peacefully and how to get the information across to those who are resistant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not everything having to do with the military and veterans is a cause to go  into full blown panic about how we’re are becoming a police state.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Disturbing as well is the prominence of Duncan’s belief in offering a key role in public education to the military.</p>
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<p>Not sure if this is his perspective but from I’ve understood the idea of hiring retired military as teachers in disadvantaged public schools is not necessarily a bad idea.</p>
<p>And this is not just retired officers as there are many enlisted types/non-commissioned, who have bachelors and masters degrees.  They’ve spent a lot of time teaching and training folks and probably have both knowledge of how to control situations peacefully and how to get the information across to those who are resistant.</p>
<p>Not everything having to do with the military and veterans is a cause to go  into full blown panic about how we’re are becoming a police state.</p>
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		<title>By: EFCANOW</title>
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		<dc:creator>EFCANOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Beware of opponents of the Employee Free Choice Act Union Busting Tactics and Lies&lt;br /&gt;
In recent weeks, you may have seen ads on TV or news releases or letters to the editor in your local newspaper bashing “big labor” and the Employee Free Choice Act.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The EFCA is federal legislation — passed by the U.S. House but stalled in the U.S. Senate — that will make it easier for workers to organize unions. Both the AFL-CIO and the Change to Win Federation have united to make passing EFCA a priority for the new Congress in 2009.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In attacking the EFCA, opponents distort the facts and charge that the legislation would end secret ballot elections in union organizing drives. Not true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The foundation of modern labor law, the Wagner Act of 1935, provided a path to union recognition when a majority of workers in a workplace signed union authorization cards — simple and fair.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When labor adversaries passed the Taft-Hartley Act in 1947 over President Truman’s veto, however, employers gained the right to reject the workers’ union authorization cards and to petition the National Labor Relations Board to conduct an election to determine if a workplace should become union.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the NLRB election process bears little resemblance to elections to choose our leaders for local, state and federal government. In the run-up to NLRB elections, employers pull out all the stops to intimidate workers into rejecting the union. These abuses are well-documented, including mandatory attendance at anti-union meetings, one-on-one meetings, threats to close the business if the union wins the vote, and even firing workers for pro-union activity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The EFCA would give workers, not employers, the right to decide how to express the choice about going union: through the card-check process OR through the NLRB election process.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If passed, the EFCA will help expand the number of workers who enjoy union wages and union benefits like health insurance and retirement plans. If passed, the EFCA will help expand the number of workers who have a voice on the job through their union.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The EFCA is about empowering workers. And that’s why you’re now hearing more about it from the opposition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So beware of messages from groups with the nice-sounding names like “The Coalition for a Democratic Workplace” or “ Save our Secret Ballot.” These are anti-union, business-funded groups not at all concerned with the rights of workers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These anti-union groups aim to distort the issues involving the Employee Free Choice Act. They’re using broadcast media. They’re using print media. They’re using “push polling” — spreading disinformation in the guise of a poll to sway, not measure, public opinion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And now this right-wing smear is extending beyond the EFCA to attack our labor-endorsed candidates for U.S. House and U.S. Senate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our foes would like nothing better than to distract voters from the real issues in this campaign — jobs, health care, the economy. To do so, they’re spreading false charges and smearing unions, the EFCA, and labor’s endorsed candidates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t let them get away with it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For More Information on EFCA please visit our website and blog &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.employeefreechoiceactnow.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.employeefreechoiceactnow.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://efcanow.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://efcanow.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.FreeChoiceActNow.Org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.FreeChoiceActNow.Org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.LaborUnionResources.Org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.LaborUnionResources.Org&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spfpa.org/UnionBusterPagemakerBrochure.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.spfpa.org/UnionBust.....ochure.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware of opponents of the Employee Free Choice Act Union Busting Tactics and Lies<br />
In recent weeks, you may have seen ads on TV or news releases or letters to the editor in your local newspaper bashing “big labor” and the Employee Free Choice Act.</p>
<p>The EFCA is federal legislation — passed by the U.S. House but stalled in the U.S. Senate — that will make it easier for workers to organize unions. Both the AFL-CIO and the Change to Win Federation have united to make passing EFCA a priority for the new Congress in 2009.</p>
<p>In attacking the EFCA, opponents distort the facts and charge that the legislation would end secret ballot elections in union organizing drives. Not true.</p>
<p>The foundation of modern labor law, the Wagner Act of 1935, provided a path to union recognition when a majority of workers in a workplace signed union authorization cards — simple and fair.</p>
<p>When labor adversaries passed the Taft-Hartley Act in 1947 over President Truman’s veto, however, employers gained the right to reject the workers’ union authorization cards and to petition the National Labor Relations Board to conduct an election to determine if a workplace should become union.</p>
<p>But the NLRB election process bears little resemblance to elections to choose our leaders for local, state and federal government. In the run-up to NLRB elections, employers pull out all the stops to intimidate workers into rejecting the union. These abuses are well-documented, including mandatory attendance at anti-union meetings, one-on-one meetings, threats to close the business if the union wins the vote, and even firing workers for pro-union activity.</p>
<p>The EFCA would give workers, not employers, the right to decide how to express the choice about going union: through the card-check process OR through the NLRB election process.</p>
<p>If passed, the EFCA will help expand the number of workers who enjoy union wages and union benefits like health insurance and retirement plans. If passed, the EFCA will help expand the number of workers who have a voice on the job through their union.</p>
<p>The EFCA is about empowering workers. And that’s why you’re now hearing more about it from the opposition.</p>
<p>So beware of messages from groups with the nice-sounding names like “The Coalition for a Democratic Workplace” or “ Save our Secret Ballot.” These are anti-union, business-funded groups not at all concerned with the rights of workers.</p>
<p>These anti-union groups aim to distort the issues involving the Employee Free Choice Act. They’re using broadcast media. They’re using print media. They’re using “push polling” — spreading disinformation in the guise of a poll to sway, not measure, public opinion.</p>
<p>And now this right-wing smear is extending beyond the EFCA to attack our labor-endorsed candidates for U.S. House and U.S. Senate.</p>
<p>Our foes would like nothing better than to distract voters from the real issues in this campaign — jobs, health care, the economy. To do so, they’re spreading false charges and smearing unions, the EFCA, and labor’s endorsed candidates.</p>
<p>Don’t let them get away with it.</p>
<p>For More Information on EFCA please visit our website and blog </p>
<p><a href="http://www.employeefreechoiceactnow.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.employeefreechoiceactnow.org</a></p>
<p><a href="http://efcanow.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://efcanow.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.FreeChoiceActNow.Org" rel="nofollow">http://www.FreeChoiceActNow.Org</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.LaborUnionResources.Org" rel="nofollow">http://www.LaborUnionResources.Org</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.spfpa.org/UnionBusterPagemakerBrochure.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.spfpa.org/UnionBust&#8230;..ochure.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
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		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A bit off-topic, but speaking of teachers unions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I only read the first few paragraphs but wanted to post it on a relevent thread. It fits the patter of breaking out the microscope for both Bush and Obama.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is (I think) a great TomDispatch:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175022/andy_kroll_will_public_education_be_militarized_&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tomdispatch.com/pos.....litarized_&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;..&lt;br /&gt;
– Duncan’s selection was eagerly anticipated, and garnered mostly favorable reactions in education circles and in the media. He was described as the compromise candidate between powerful teachers’ unions and the advocates of charter schools and merit pay. He was also regularly hailed as a “reformer,” fearless when it came to challenging the educational status quo and more than willing to shake up hidebound, moribund public school systems. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yet a closer investigation of Duncan’s record in Chicago casts doubt on that label. As he packs up for Washington, Duncan leaves behind a Windy City legacy that’s hardly cause for optimism, emphasizing as it does a business-minded, market-driven model for education. If he is a “reformer,” his style of management is distinctly top-down, corporate, and privatizing. It views teachers as expendable, unions as unnecessary, and students as customers. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Disturbing as well is the prominence of Duncan’s belief in offering a key role in public education to the military.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit off-topic, but speaking of teachers unions.</p>
<p>I only read the first few paragraphs but wanted to post it on a relevent thread. It fits the patter of breaking out the microscope for both Bush and Obama.</p>
<p>Here is (I think) a great TomDispatch:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175022/andy_kroll_will_public_education_be_militarized_" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomdispatch.com/pos&#8230;..litarized_</a></p>
<p>..<br />
– Duncan’s selection was eagerly anticipated, and garnered mostly favorable reactions in education circles and in the media. He was described as the compromise candidate between powerful teachers’ unions and the advocates of charter schools and merit pay. He was also regularly hailed as a “reformer,” fearless when it came to challenging the educational status quo and more than willing to shake up hidebound, moribund public school systems. </p>
<p>Yet a closer investigation of Duncan’s record in Chicago casts doubt on that label. As he packs up for Washington, Duncan leaves behind a Windy City legacy that’s hardly cause for optimism, emphasizing as it does a business-minded, market-driven model for education. If he is a “reformer,” his style of management is distinctly top-down, corporate, and privatizing. It views teachers as expendable, unions as unnecessary, and students as customers. </p>
<p>Disturbing as well is the prominence of Duncan’s belief in offering a key role in public education to the military.</p>
<p>..</p>
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