(Update: Mr. Antle followed up with a post where he discusses the question posed in the McLaughlin & Associates poll. You can find it here — jh)
The American Spectator has an article today about a McLaughlin & Associates poll which indicates "opposition to card check legislation among union households."
Well well, enquiring minds want to know more! Funny, no links or cross-tabs. In fact, not even any questions. Author W. James Antle III notes that "it would be interesting to see some of the precise wording." Yes, it would. But I guess his intellectual curiosity didn’t extend quite so far as to inquire before printing the somewhat startling conclusions of the press release he got:
Three out of four voters (74%) oppose the "The Employee Free Choice Act”. Union households also strongly oppose the Employee Free Choice Act, 74% oppose to only 20% support.
When given a more detailed description of the Employee Free Choice Act, nearly 9 out of 10 voters, 86%, feel the process should remain private and only 8% feel it should be public information. Again, even union workers feel strongly that the process should be kept private, as 88% said private and only 8% said public.
We strive for a bit more intellectual rigor around here, so let’s look into what Republican pollsters McLaughlin & Associates consider "a more detailed description" of the Employee Free Choice Act. Ambinder:
Pollster John McLaughlin, working for the Coalition for a Democratic Workplace,the question this way: There is a bill in Congress called the Employee Free Choice Act which would effectively replace a federally supervised secret ballot election with a process that requires a majority of workers to simply sign a card to authorize organizing a union and the workers’ signatures would be made public to their employer, the union organizers and their co-workers. Do you support or oppose Congress passing this legislation.
"Worker’s signatures would be made public to their employer, their union organizers and their co-workers." Yes, one can see where that might make union members uncomfortable. Who would guess that it’s a zombie lie?
I wrote a detailed description the other day about how secret ballot works vs. majority signup ("card check"), and I guess we’ll just have to keep repeating it until it sinks in:
This is the "secret ballot" process, which is in place right now:
A union decides they want to unionize workers of a particular company. They have to collect cards signed by more than 30% of that company’s eligible workers saying that they want to join the union and allow that union to negotiate with management on their behalf. The union usually does this by talking to workers and gathering signatures outside the work place, frequently at their homes, because companies have a bad habit of firing workers who try to organize (Dean Baker estimates one in five lose their jobs).
The union then turns the cards over to the NLRB, who verifies them and calls for an election. Now in practice, although the union only has to have cards signed by more than 30% of the workers they usually present 50%, because they know there is going to be intense pressure put on workers by employers and professional "union busters," and they don’t want to waste their time unless they think there is serious support.
The NLRB is required to then set a date for a "secret ballot" election within 42 days, during which time workers are usually subject to various forms of intimidation. It’s easy for employers to ask for and receive extensions, however. When the "secret ballot" election is finally held, it’s conducted on the work premises, and workers have to file past the watchful eyes of their supervisors in order to cast their ballots. This is the "right" to "secrecy" that the anti-union forces seem to be so committed to preserving.
If more than 50% of workers vote to let the union to represent them, the union is recognized and they can begin negotiating with the employer for a first contract.
This is how majority sign-up ("card check") would work under the Employee Free Choice Act:
A union decides they want to unionize workers of a particular company. They have to collect cards signed by more than 50% of that company’s eligible workers saying that they want to join the union and allow that union to negotiate with management on their behalf.
The union then turns the cards over to the NLRB, who verifies them.
If more than 50% of the cards are verified by the NLRB, the union is recognized and they can begin negotiating with the employer for a first contract.
Got that?
"Secret ballot" isn’t "more secret," it’s an extra step. In both cases, the union is responsible for getting cards signed and turning them over to the NLRB, so they know who has signed them. The "secret ballot" is just an extra hurdle that workers have to surmount if they want to recognize a union.
Union organizers know who signed the cards in both majority signup and "secret ballot," but at no point are signatures shown to "employers" or "fellow workers," they go straight to the NLRB. It’s just pure horseshit to say anything else, but W. James Antle III is all too willing to accept the deeply flawed data of The Coalition for a Democratic Workplace (which he describes as "an organization, should be noted, that opposes the Employee Free Choice Act." Ya think?)
Yo Jim. I don’t know if you’re consciously passing on these lies or just easily played by lobbyists, but it looks bad for you either way. There’s a reason they didn’t include the language of the question on the press release. It’s nonsense.
Sure, your wingnut bretheren will pat you on the back and applaud your willingness to "defend conservative views in hostile territory" or the terrorists win or something. But the Coalition For A Democratic Workplace is a deep pockets project of the Chamber, NAM and the RILA (whose biggest member is WalMart), and their commitment to a "democratic workplace" is just a wee bit questionable.
Lobbyist Mike Murphy, with time on his hands now that his unwanted advice to the McCain campaign is no longer needed, is being well paid to shovel this kind of nonsense.
What’s your excuse?
Update: You don’t want to become the next Bill Kristol, Jim: "His conservative ideas were cutting edge and influential,” I was told. “But his sloppy writing and failure to fact check what he wrote made us queasy.”



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Jane!
The anti-worker forces never came up with a good explanation, if Employee Free Choice was so bad for workers, as to why unions supported it. They tried hard with their millions of dollars to claim the “corrupt union bosses” would strong-arm the hapless workers into unionizing against their will, but that didn’t fly. Maybe something about decades of worker abuse, lowered safety standards and people actually seeing unions helping them out on the job was stronger than cartoonish political TV spots.
Now their tack is to say union members oppose this? It is to laugh. After nearly thirty years of union busting and increased job insecurity and falling wages, it’s just not going to fly. Lies are all these corporate bagmen have.
Thanks Jane.
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There doesn’t seem to be any shortage of people willing to repeat the lies.
It does not really matter, because the rethugs have discovered that the “big lie” works. Truth is whatever they say it is. Authoritarians(rethugs)believe that they can say and do anything. Lie, cheat or steal, and as long as their side “wins”-whether that “win”is just that days headlines or even just a quick response to a true statement by a dem-it does not matter. They discovered long ago that the MSM will not hold them accountable for what they say, but will in fact repeat whatever the current liar(repig) has to say as a “revealed truth”, meanwhile denigrating the dem for actually making a factual statement. The bible of the rethugs must say that it is ok to lie to unbelievers-except that they also lie to each other and themselves. Remember. Authoritarian=republician=liar
Thanks, Jane.
Thanks, jane. Again. Great job on this important issue.
I guess we’ll just have to keep repeating it until it sinks in.
Absolutely. If you do any kind of research on this – and you’ve obviously done a ton – you see that the employer opposition is basically the same no matter what the source – this will take away the secret ballot. over and over and over. they’re smart. i mean, who can possibly be against secret ballots? but we have to do the same. repeat this stuff over and over and over. really, call bullshit over and over and over.
ya know, one thing i always think about almost all the bullshit… it’s ained at creating the impression that a union will retaliate against you or harm you or coerce you. tere’s alreday laws against that shit and will continue to be. this is about process where unions will win more. if they (or employers) do something wrong withing taht process, there are remedies as there have always been. but two separate things are being smushed (word??) together – the procvess by which the choice is made and the possibility that a union may interefer with that choice. (of course, employers never interfere.)
“aimed” not ained
OT – Crooks & Liars picked up the Emmonak story. Who says progressive blogs can’t make a difference.
Emphasis mine.
and one more thing….. card check is and has been used for years and years and years albeit on a voluntary basis (employer and union have to agree). the only horror story (for employers anyway)? unions win more.
if McLaughlin says it, it’s bullshit.
I’m a Wobbly and I think EFCA is a good start.
OfT, Jane, back on your Nationalizing the Banks thread, I saw this terrific and extremely timely comment:
Thanks.
Jane:
Any idea on when EFCA will be taken up? Reported out? Voted on? House ? Senate? and finally to cap it all off… Reid fucks it up?
From WaPo
The Israelis must have stopped buying bulldozers.
Steny says the House will take it up in late Spring, and Reid says the Senate in the summer.
thanks.
A bit off-topic, but speaking of teachers unions.
I only read the first few paragraphs but wanted to post it on a relevent thread. It fits the patter of breaking out the microscope for both Bush and Obama.
Here is (I think) a great TomDispatch:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/pos…..litarized_
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– Duncan’s selection was eagerly anticipated, and garnered mostly favorable reactions in education circles and in the media. He was described as the compromise candidate between powerful teachers’ unions and the advocates of charter schools and merit pay. He was also regularly hailed as a “reformer,” fearless when it came to challenging the educational status quo and more than willing to shake up hidebound, moribund public school systems.
Yet a closer investigation of Duncan’s record in Chicago casts doubt on that label. As he packs up for Washington, Duncan leaves behind a Windy City legacy that’s hardly cause for optimism, emphasizing as it does a business-minded, market-driven model for education. If he is a “reformer,” his style of management is distinctly top-down, corporate, and privatizing. It views teachers as expendable, unions as unnecessary, and students as customers.
Disturbing as well is the prominence of Duncan’s belief in offering a key role in public education to the military.
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Beware of opponents of the Employee Free Choice Act Union Busting Tactics and Lies
In recent weeks, you may have seen ads on TV or news releases or letters to the editor in your local newspaper bashing “big labor” and the Employee Free Choice Act.
The EFCA is federal legislation — passed by the U.S. House but stalled in the U.S. Senate — that will make it easier for workers to organize unions. Both the AFL-CIO and the Change to Win Federation have united to make passing EFCA a priority for the new Congress in 2009.
In attacking the EFCA, opponents distort the facts and charge that the legislation would end secret ballot elections in union organizing drives. Not true.
The foundation of modern labor law, the Wagner Act of 1935, provided a path to union recognition when a majority of workers in a workplace signed union authorization cards — simple and fair.
When labor adversaries passed the Taft-Hartley Act in 1947 over President Truman’s veto, however, employers gained the right to reject the workers’ union authorization cards and to petition the National Labor Relations Board to conduct an election to determine if a workplace should become union.
But the NLRB election process bears little resemblance to elections to choose our leaders for local, state and federal government. In the run-up to NLRB elections, employers pull out all the stops to intimidate workers into rejecting the union. These abuses are well-documented, including mandatory attendance at anti-union meetings, one-on-one meetings, threats to close the business if the union wins the vote, and even firing workers for pro-union activity.
The EFCA would give workers, not employers, the right to decide how to express the choice about going union: through the card-check process OR through the NLRB election process.
If passed, the EFCA will help expand the number of workers who enjoy union wages and union benefits like health insurance and retirement plans. If passed, the EFCA will help expand the number of workers who have a voice on the job through their union.
The EFCA is about empowering workers. And that’s why you’re now hearing more about it from the opposition.
So beware of messages from groups with the nice-sounding names like “The Coalition for a Democratic Workplace” or “ Save our Secret Ballot.” These are anti-union, business-funded groups not at all concerned with the rights of workers.
These anti-union groups aim to distort the issues involving the Employee Free Choice Act. They’re using broadcast media. They’re using print media. They’re using “push polling” — spreading disinformation in the guise of a poll to sway, not measure, public opinion.
And now this right-wing smear is extending beyond the EFCA to attack our labor-endorsed candidates for U.S. House and U.S. Senate.
Our foes would like nothing better than to distract voters from the real issues in this campaign — jobs, health care, the economy. To do so, they’re spreading false charges and smearing unions, the EFCA, and labor’s endorsed candidates.
Don’t let them get away with it.
For More Information on EFCA please visit our website and blog
http://www.employeefreechoiceactnow.org
http://efcanow.blogspot.com/
http://www.FreeChoiceActNow.Org
http://www.LaborUnionResources.Org
http://www.spfpa.org/UnionBust…..ochure.pdf
Not sure if this is his perspective but from I’ve understood the idea of hiring retired military as teachers in disadvantaged public schools is not necessarily a bad idea.
And this is not just retired officers as there are many enlisted types/non-commissioned, who have bachelors and masters degrees. They’ve spent a lot of time teaching and training folks and probably have both knowledge of how to control situations peacefully and how to get the information across to those who are resistant.
Not everything having to do with the military and veterans is a cause to go into full blown panic about how we’re are becoming a police state.
Assuming much of the point is not to recruit poor people to fight our wars.
Much of the rest of the entry has to do with privitization and other issues.
Duncan was a terrible choice, no matter how one paints it. I was hoping for a true reformer, someone who had ideas to move education into the 21st Century.
The article points out his use of military schools in poor areas of the district. Not about military hiring as teachers. Just a point about the military hiring let me say this. I have taught now for ten years, after completing a career in law enforcement. I have heard the call for more ex military as teachers. I have no problem with that as long as they meet certification and take the required courses. If not then let me be a CPA, nurse, dr. police, or any other craft that requires a license. What this is will always be how can we get people retired from another job to do this job cause we know we do not wish to compete in the marketplace to get them. He is another that got into school buisness at the top, not sitting next to a student. This guy and the lady in DC are both short term and will not fix anything. You want to do education, we need teachers not administrators. Till being a teacher is considered a good job forget it.
FWIW, my mother, aunts on both sides of the family and numerous cousins on both sides of the family were/are school teachers at every level from Kindergarten/First grade through High School and into tenured university positions.
I have no problems with requiring folks to take some certification courses but I also think we can gain by recruiting retired military types into teaching and giving them waivers on some of the cert requirements. It is not unknown for folks to receive waivers for some of the requirements when changing fields, based on background and education.
And having attended a Military HS where my mother was librarian, it can actually be a decent education.
I do not know enought about the military schools to doubt their education as anything but excellent. My area of rural texas did not have them growing up. I think the concern was the targeting of minority youth only. I to have no problem with some limited waiver of some requirements, but this is a slippery slope. I dont remember those waivers for nursing, dr, law, cpa ect even when the need exist. Let me say thanks to all military for their service and to your family for its service as educators. I have heard for years about all these chemical engineers that want to teach if only they did not have to have education degrees. (Insert whatever teaching specialization you wish) I do also still remember a member of the leg. here saying that we should hire drill instructors that retired since they would have been working with kids and could work for cheap since they were getting a retirement. When a profession does not control its professional licensure it will always be hurt by poeple just coming into it. Kinda like TDC here in Texas advertising for DR. for the prison at all of $30K.
The thing about potentially offering limited waivers for retired military types for Education Certifications is due to the fact that many military members have already received significant amounts of training in presentations, conducting classroom exercises, and building lesson plans as part of their on-going training and responsibilities.
It would obviously have to be on a case-by-case basis, but it is not uncommon. Abd in fact most every field offers some level of waivers if the person requesting can show that their experience and background and trianing has already covered it.
IANAL but I do think that it is still possible (although not as likely) to gain admittance to the law by apprenticeship without ever going to law school. At least in some states.