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	<title>Comments on: Pssst, Let&#8217;s Nationalize The Banks. We Just Won&#8217;t Talk About It.</title>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/26/pssst-lets-nationalize-the-banks-we-just-wont-talk-about-it/#comment-1808490</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes. You can read the book at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.egalite.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.egalite.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. You can read the book at <a href="http://www.egalite.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.egalite.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cool.  Interesting idea.  Thanks for the food for thought.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you have a Web site for the book?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool.  Interesting idea.  Thanks for the food for thought.</p>
<p>Do you have a Web site for the book?</p>
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		<title>By: ELGUAPO77</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/26/pssst-lets-nationalize-the-banks-we-just-wont-talk-about-it/#comment-1807935</link>
		<dc:creator>ELGUAPO77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I CANNOT BELIVE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY WITH ALL THESE BAILOUTS. I DON’T EVER REMEMBER STUDYING THIS IN ANY OF MY BUSINESS CLASSES AT FLORIDA STATE. THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL THIEVES AND I HOPE ONE DAY TO BE IN A POSITION OF POWER TO PUT THEM ALL IN JAIL. WAIT DOESN’T OBAMA HAVE THAT POWER? YES HE DOES WE NEED TO MAKE HIM TAKE OUT MONEY BACK. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MATT DOWELL&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I CANNOT BELIVE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY WITH ALL THESE BAILOUTS. I DON’T EVER REMEMBER STUDYING THIS IN ANY OF MY BUSINESS CLASSES AT FLORIDA STATE. THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL THIEVES AND I HOPE ONE DAY TO BE IN A POSITION OF POWER TO PUT THEM ALL IN JAIL. WAIT DOESN’T OBAMA HAVE THAT POWER? YES HE DOES WE NEED TO MAKE HIM TAKE OUT MONEY BACK. </p>
<p>MATT DOWELL</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/26/pssst-lets-nationalize-the-banks-we-just-wont-talk-about-it/#comment-1807927</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;According to my theory which I believe is original and so far as I know is accepted only by me, “human nature” is the collective image.  It has been negative since the dawn of history. I extrapolate “self image psychology”, a widely accepted theory in which self images create individual behavior, to explain group behavior. Individuals reinvent themselves-addicts clean themselves up, the obese lose weight, etc. Not often.  It is difficult, but possible. It is, I believe, possible for our species to reinvent itself if we change our perception of “human nature”. I grant that’s the neatest trick of the week. I’ve written a book-but I can’t get an agent, let alone a publisher.  Today’s publishers are not looking for philosophy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We scratch the surface of electric technology, but you can see how difficult it is to persuade people to break old patterns like representative democracy. Everyone on this blog (or almost everyone) is disgusted by the corruption and lack of caring by the powers that be. We had a narrow escape from George Bush. For a minute (OK it was more than a minute) I thought he might declare it in the national interest to postpone the election. Should people protest, we can count on soldiers and police to do as they are told and put the protest down. Much depends on the good will of those at the top of the hierarchy. That’s what broke the system. We trusted CEO’s not to take more than their share, not to abuse their position and they failed us. It is a mistake to rely on the kindness of strangers. We need alternatives. They are technologically possible. Unfortunately we lack the will to go there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to my theory which I believe is original and so far as I know is accepted only by me, “human nature” is the collective image.  It has been negative since the dawn of history. I extrapolate “self image psychology”, a widely accepted theory in which self images create individual behavior, to explain group behavior. Individuals reinvent themselves-addicts clean themselves up, the obese lose weight, etc. Not often.  It is difficult, but possible. It is, I believe, possible for our species to reinvent itself if we change our perception of “human nature”. I grant that’s the neatest trick of the week. I’ve written a book-but I can’t get an agent, let alone a publisher.  Today’s publishers are not looking for philosophy.</p>
<p>We scratch the surface of electric technology, but you can see how difficult it is to persuade people to break old patterns like representative democracy. Everyone on this blog (or almost everyone) is disgusted by the corruption and lack of caring by the powers that be. We had a narrow escape from George Bush. For a minute (OK it was more than a minute) I thought he might declare it in the national interest to postpone the election. Should people protest, we can count on soldiers and police to do as they are told and put the protest down. Much depends on the good will of those at the top of the hierarchy. That’s what broke the system. We trusted CEO’s not to take more than their share, not to abuse their position and they failed us. It is a mistake to rely on the kindness of strangers. We need alternatives. They are technologically possible. Unfortunately we lack the will to go there.</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/26/pssst-lets-nationalize-the-banks-we-just-wont-talk-about-it/#comment-1807918</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess my answer is human nature, that’s why I don’t see that utopian vision as possible (in theory I too would love a classless and moneyless society).  We have thousands and thousands of years of human nature, and in general the natural world, to predict how groups of people will act.  Some will try to take more than they need.  Some will be lazy and mooch off the work of others.  Some will fight.  Etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus, I think we do need some rules and regulations in order to have millions of people living together.  Yes though, things get messy when we try to figure out where to draw the lines.  Not sure of your background obviously, but I know from being on the Board of some small nonprofits (who are doing great work for society), that it’s incredibly difficult to get anything accomplished or decided if there isn’t a strong decision-maker somewhere in the process.  We end up in paralysis of analysis.  This is why I like have to hierarchy, to a limited degree.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So we develop systems and hierarchy that will hopefully serve the needs of society in the best way possible.  In your example of foreclosures, I’d like to have regulations and government involvement to fix problems like that.  A healthy public/private yin-yang is needed.  I think the balance if WAY off at the moment, and that’s what most of us around here are trying to change, but I don’t think we need to scrap our Constitution entirely.  If used properly, it can organize massive amounts of people in a very fair and just way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just my opinion, but happy to hear more thoughts if possible.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess my answer is human nature, that’s why I don’t see that utopian vision as possible (in theory I too would love a classless and moneyless society).  We have thousands and thousands of years of human nature, and in general the natural world, to predict how groups of people will act.  Some will try to take more than they need.  Some will be lazy and mooch off the work of others.  Some will fight.  Etc.</p>
<p>Thus, I think we do need some rules and regulations in order to have millions of people living together.  Yes though, things get messy when we try to figure out where to draw the lines.  Not sure of your background obviously, but I know from being on the Board of some small nonprofits (who are doing great work for society), that it’s incredibly difficult to get anything accomplished or decided if there isn’t a strong decision-maker somewhere in the process.  We end up in paralysis of analysis.  This is why I like have to hierarchy, to a limited degree.</p>
<p>So we develop systems and hierarchy that will hopefully serve the needs of society in the best way possible.  In your example of foreclosures, I’d like to have regulations and government involvement to fix problems like that.  A healthy public/private yin-yang is needed.  I think the balance if WAY off at the moment, and that’s what most of us around here are trying to change, but I don’t think we need to scrap our Constitution entirely.  If used properly, it can organize massive amounts of people in a very fair and just way.</p>
<p>Just my opinion, but happy to hear more thoughts if possible.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/26/pssst-lets-nationalize-the-banks-we-just-wont-talk-about-it/#comment-1807909</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I disagree. Capitalism underwrites hierarchy. It gives some people the power to tell other people what to do and most of us like being told what to do. It’s why sheriffs, judges et al participate in the foreclosure crisis by throwing people out of their homes even though it makes no sense. Say the house is under water, that the amount of the mortgage exceeds the present market value by like 50%. The bank can’t get more than the market value. If it gets a deficiency judgment, it will never collect it, yet we go along disrupting communities, watching local tax collections get decimated in the name of the system. Like it or not, it is madness.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for me, I prefer utopia, a classless, moneyless society. If you think such a society impossible, ask yourself why you think. Your answer will reveal the cause of our madness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. Capitalism underwrites hierarchy. It gives some people the power to tell other people what to do and most of us like being told what to do. It’s why sheriffs, judges et al participate in the foreclosure crisis by throwing people out of their homes even though it makes no sense. Say the house is under water, that the amount of the mortgage exceeds the present market value by like 50%. The bank can’t get more than the market value. If it gets a deficiency judgment, it will never collect it, yet we go along disrupting communities, watching local tax collections get decimated in the name of the system. Like it or not, it is madness.</p>
<p>As for me, I prefer utopia, a classless, moneyless society. If you think such a society impossible, ask yourself why you think. Your answer will reveal the cause of our madness.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bullseye.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullseye.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post, Jane.  The optimal solutions for most all the green / social justice / political issues I’ve ever cared about are exiles in the sphere of deviance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Motto for the s.o.d. region where those solutions reside: “We told you so.”  On energy, deregulation, toxics, child development, land use, population…and so much more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No wonder the spheres’ designers are terrified of nationalization.  If our people ever total up the damages America’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Conservative_foundations&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;home-grown oligarchs&lt;/a&gt; (and their &lt;a href=&quot;http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/powell_memo_lewis.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hired hands&lt;/a&gt;) deliberately inflicted upon us all, the designers’ assets are toast.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Jane.  The optimal solutions for most all the green / social justice / political issues I’ve ever cared about are exiles in the sphere of deviance.</p>
<p>Motto for the s.o.d. region where those solutions reside: “We told you so.”  On energy, deregulation, toxics, child development, land use, population…and so much more.</p>
<p>No wonder the spheres’ designers are terrified of nationalization.  If our people ever total up the damages America’s <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Conservative_foundations" rel="nofollow">home-grown oligarchs</a> (and their <a href="http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/powell_memo_lewis.html" rel="nofollow">hired hands</a>) deliberately inflicted upon us all, the designers’ assets are toast.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Could still get blocked, only just announced today, still has to go through review.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But there are eight or more pharma co’s with larger market cap than WYE, and at least two larger than PFE, makes complete block unlikely.  More likely that some part may have to be spun off or that other competitors will take similar actions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[sigh]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could still get blocked, only just announced today, still has to go through review.</p>
<p>But there are eight or more pharma co’s with larger market cap than WYE, and at least two larger than PFE, makes complete block unlikely.  More likely that some part may have to be spun off or that other competitors will take similar actions.</p>
<p>[sigh]</p>
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		<title>By: jlamkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlamkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Be still, my heart!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be still, my heart!!!</p>
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