He thinks 911 was massive? What an asshole.

Friedman is a suck-ass and a sick freak.

Yeah we get it. Suck on that etc. etc.

* yawn *

What is wrong with these people?

Much easier to trump up more fear than it is to admit ones past role; much more admit the massive losses “open society” has already suffered because of it.

Thanks watertiger.

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“This is a very different enemy that chops peoples’ heads off and puts it on the web, mmmkay?”

That Boo! Terrorists! stuff is so 2004. Wait, it was moronic then, too. Anyone gonna tell Tommy, or should we let him carry on so we can point and laugh?

Remember Friedman wrote the book on the “Flat Earth”! Sounds like to me hes really thinks the Earth is FLAT! Well at least his thinking is very flat.

Thanks to Matt Taibbi, I can no longer look at Friedman without thinking “porn ’stache.”

Freidman’s a fairly smart guy who lets his ego get the best of him. What Watertiger quoted here was my biggest fear during the Bush years. Hopefully, the government’s being run by people who are a bit more evolved now.

Simon Marshall: If you don’t cooperate, you won’t get to meet Tom.
George: And who’s this Tom when he’s at home?
Simon Marshall: Only Tom Friedman, the official pundit.
George: Oh! You mean that dim twit who gets everything wrong?
Simon Marshall: Excuse me?
George: Oh, yeah. The lads frequently sit around the telly and watch him for a giggle. One time, we actually sat down and wrote these letters saying how great he was and all that rubbish.
Simon Marshall: He’s a trendsetter. It’s his profession.
George: He’s a drag. A well known drag. We turn the sound down on him and say rude things.
Simon Marshall: [horrified] Get him out of here! He’s knocking the image of the Village!
George: Have I said something amiss?

Gregory can’t hide his smirk when he says Obama has “left the door open for some of these harsh interrogation techniques to still be used.”

And the guy he’s talking to (’Steve Hays,’ is it?) starts talking about the “Jack Bauer exception” as if that’s a real thing that merits serious discussion.

God, what a panel of monkeys that is.

Shopping Mall Mogul Friedman insists that we must identify ourselves first. Suck on this: We are gas-guzzler-driving shopaholics and we ain’t negotiating our murcan lifestyle. Jack Bauer! Terra Attack! Smoking Mushroom Clouds, Jack Bauer!

Dancin’ Dave: Yee Haw, Buddy. I heard that! Jack Bauer. Obama don’t wanna say whether he’s gonna Jack Bauer or not! The Army Field Manual dosn’t have the techniques that are needed. Jack Bauer! Jack! Bauer!

Cheney Biographer Hayes: Techniques! Interrogation Techniques. None of us will use the other T word on this show! Jack Bauer!

Token Black Female: Obama’s got plausible deniability. He won’t say if he loves Jack Bauer or not. Jack Bauer.

FlatEarth and Stephen Hayes, a senior writer at The Weekly Neocon. What a pair. I liked FlatEarth nodding in approval while Hayes blathered on.

jack bauer is as real as atlas shrugged–both are fiction, stephen hayes.

It is a fact that Meet The Press is Dick Cheney’s favorite venue “when we want to get our message out”.

Russert was a bootlicker and David Gregory does not miss a beat.

Problem is, if there is another terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11, or even much smaller, the repuglitards (as freepatriot says) will blame Obama and the democrats in a huge way. This didn’t happen after 9/11, and is only now even being discussed in polite company.

Gregory is a dumbed down version of Russert and that takes some doing. Probably required a lobotomy.

Hayes wrote his book about the connection between AQ & SH, based on al-Libi’s confession under torture, after al-Libi recanted. I know this because I was doing due dilligence by reading the arguements of those who wanted to invade Iraq. I had never heard of al-Libi, so I googled him, to find the whole timeline. Hayes also wrote the Cheney hagiography. He’s about as low on my totem pole as Feith, who I noticed also showed up on the Sunday talks today.

David Gregory grates. He should have a non-stop cycle of he and Rove dancing together real small on the screen during MTP.

Has Break-Dancing David Gregory burned his “it’s gonna be Caroline!” source yet? Has Andrea Mitchell?

What a bunch of losers.

weekly standard?
weekly standarten.
why cant we have someone from Democracy Now.

If you would like to say goodbye to shrub this site gives you a chance to and lists some of his best Failures!

Torture is mostly about the manufacture of resentment and enemies than about extracting information.

Professionals have emerged from the woodwork and criticized its efficacy, but that’s not the point.

What’s wrong with these people is that they are cowards.

They fear everything, and adopt bullying postures as a defense. The indulge in severe denial, in order to avoid confronting their fears.

Nothing frightens them more than courageous people, because courageous people appear reckless to them, and they see recklessness as stupidity. So they believe they are superior to the stupid, courageous people that they fear so much.

And like most cowards and bullies, they feel like victims of a threatening, uncontrollable world. They seek to compensate by being overcontrolling, both of themselves and their foes. And they want to hide their shameful terror, so they adopt bluster and pomposity.

These people are very easy to predict, which is why Democratic and progressive haplessness in the face of their tactics is so annoying.

Tim Russert used to have fried chicken wings flown in from Buffalo to Boston for Football Tailgate parties where Luke was attending college. Boston has lousy wings. Russert knew his Buffalo Wings.

that shit prolly killed him

broadcast news has made itself irrelevant

Anchor Bar on Main St. was the original wing place.

i dont hear little tommy yearning for another 911, but that is not to say that he aint wrong-headed, backward-thinking, and part of the problem.

Evening, all-
That thing about the “end of the open society” in the case of a big terrorist attack was said more or less verbatim by Tommy Franks, couple of years ago. I wonder why. Why would people be wanting to treat the embrace of a police state as a necessary and reasonable reaction to a terrorist attack? It does not logically follow as necessary, so why do they keep making the association in public?

hey
LooHoo

to keep us in our places

You win a cigar. Can you extrapolate part b of the allegory?

hey guys

“one more massive attack” by who? is what I want to know…

In NYC??

my answer to them is,many people still live in Naples under the Volcano,and actually enjoy life

Uh….Because we want to be just like Israel?

to make money.

(((Sadlyyes!)))

the man enjoyed his food ,a little tooooooooooo much imo

Very good question.

Shorter Friedman: ”In the event of another terrorist attack, we may have to destroy the country in order to save it.”

Now you want logic?

he always supplys the simple solutions…”g”

here’s how it works: I tell you to be scared of something and offer chatter about some mysterious unknown thing that you were completely unaware of, but I have the power to know these things. Plus, I’m in the govt and of course just plain know these things. I outsource the protection we need to my protection business buddies and you’re freaked out enough to be OK with the fact that I am now funneling your tax dollars to my buddies. It pays to scare you, the american citizen.

Sorta kinda like the mafia. and if we don’t pay me, well, who knows what will happen?

just my hypothetical on how things work now, ala cheney.

No, in Buffalo. That’s why they’re called Buffalo wings.

hehehehehehe

and Buffalo Mozzerella?

yup and then supply ALL sides in the insuing chaos…biddness is great

buffalo mozzarello

Logic…silly me.
I look at it more from a conditioning standpoint. Pair the idea of another attack with the idea of a police state, and repeat ad nauseum, until people accept one as the obvious response to the other.

im hungry sort of,but kinda queasy too,white toast with jam?

The USA was a victim of a mafia-styled “Bust Out” courtesy of Bush-Cheneyco. I maintain that had the actual Mafia been in charge, they would have left a few crumbs on the table for the widows and orphans.

In Syracuse it was common knowledge that Buffalo ripped off our “Syracuse Wings”. It was yet another one of those crimes that went unnoticed by the general public…

yah,or flack jackets for the troops

That’s what I was worried about. I have no interest in visiting Buffalo.

Disclosure: I grew up in Buffalo. So you’ll have to document your claim if you expect it to be believed.

i lovvvvvvvvvvvve that stuff

New Trivia. From now on I shall refer to them as Syracuse Wings. I know a guy from Syracuse. I’ll ask him about it.

You can order them online thru their website.

Very wise of you not to visit Buffalo. Everyone in my high school class with any get up & go, got up & left. And that was at Buffalo’s economic peak in the 1960s.

Would I lie to you?

I’ve never tried it. Will check with the Italian deli nearby to see if they have it.

That thing about the “end of the open society” in the case of a big terrorist attack was said more or less verbatim by Tommy Franks, couple of years ago. I wonder why. Why would people be wanting to treat the embrace of a police state as a necessary and reasonable reaction to a terrorist attack? It does not logically follow as necessary, so why do they keep making the association in public?

40,000 people are killed in this country in auto accidents. For some reason this has not triggered the collapse of our society. Nor have the 160,000 who die each year from lung cancer. The truth is that we could fold one or more 9/11 into our mortality rates and scarcely notice.

What Freidman and others are selling is not safety but fear because this is about control. If it were just about lives, we would have outlawed tobacco an age ago and demanded safer cars.

You’ll have to come to a meetup so I can judge you in person before I commit to an answer to your Q.

John McCain makes me ill. Obama tried to be nice as everyone knows, but McCain is fucking up.

Isn’t he coming up for reelection in ‘10? Doesn’t he know that Obama can crush him once again? What a dolt.

Obama’s postpartisanship charm offensive is paying all the dividends I thought it would. Rs are just scumbags. Wonder when Obama will learn?

Hey Tommy.
Were the pioneers safe?
No further questions.

heaven
mozzarella,basil,tommatoe and great olive oil

http://www.taste.com.au/images…..0/4156.jpg

sad pathetic dinosaur,trying to roar

It was always sad driving into Buffalo and seeing those huge idled steel works. It was common enough throughout Upstate NY in the eighties, as the air left the Industrial machine that had powered America. The GE Plant where I worked had employed 8600 people in it’s heydey in the 50’s & 60’s, another job you could work at your entire life and retire from. But only about 1500 people were there the decade I was employed by the Company. There were vast parking lots and empty buildings. It was once the heart of the Consumer Electronics Division.

McCain really is an asshole. He was an asshole student. He was an asshole pilot. He was an asshole husband and an asshole father. He is an asshole Republican Congressman. He was an asshole on the POW/MIA committee. He was an asshole with Keating. He was an asshole candidate and he picked an asshole VP running mate. He’s been an asshole his entire life. Why would he stop now?

Yep. And no one has yet figured out a cure for the upstate economy.

simple answers to……..

okay off to have tea and toast with the amish butter…yum love yall

For the life of me, I never knew chicken flew.

Not sure, but suspect that the kind of domesticated chickens we have now were bred to have nothing but vestigal wings so they were easier to keep.

“One more 9/11, one more massive attack inside this country, and that’s the end of the open society as we know it.”

No, that’s wrong. That would definitely have been the case under Bush, but not any more. We don’t need no steenking clampdown, we have the Constitution.

That thing about the “end of the open society” in the case of a big terrorist attack was said more or less verbatim by Tommy Franks, couple of years ago. I wonder why. Why would people be wanting to treat the embrace of a police state as a necessary and reasonable reaction to a terrorist attack? It does not logically follow as necessary, so why do they keep making the association in public?

This is the question to keep asking every time the meme comes up. Always ask why. Always challenge the faulty logic. Always expose the agenda.

There are many ways of pushing back against attacks on Obama for another event here. First, after 11 Sept, no one, and I mean no one, demanded that containers be inspected thoroughly at all ports. The Port Authority facility at Newark could contain mini-nukes, Stinger missiles, all sorts of nasty armaments and no one would know about them. All those arms just waiting for the people they are intended for to go and get them. Second, the misguided, illegal war against the Iraqi people and the continuing obscenities committed against the Palestinians by Israel with the overt support of the US, no matter which party is in power, has served as a wonderful recruitment tool for al-Qaida and other violent groups that want to see their countries free from occupation and some real hope for the future for their kids.

It’s no mistake that the Israelis target schools and hospitals in the occupied territories and in Gaza. It’s no mistake that they delay letting women in labor get past checkpoints so they can get to the hospital. The Palestinians have one of the highest birthrates of any ethnic group in the world. Why? They are hoping against hope that IF the genocide over there ever ends there will be some members of their group alive to further their culture and race.

Hopefully with input from Samantha Power the ongoing crimes against humanity being perpetrated against the Palestinian people will stop and those responsible will be tried under the Genocide Convention of the UN.

Ditto…the end of America as Ive known it started a few years back. Surely he must have noticed. I am the most ordinary person, so not until now did I ever think I may have been spied on. Now, who knows?

Hey! That’s A Hard Day’s Night.

“He’s a drag. A well-known drag.” Heh. And we thought that the whole world would change with us, would learn to suss out the well-known drags.

But they didn’t.

Dolt: And treats women very badly. In the discussion about Cindy and why she is not divorced, someone opined she is a perfectionist and would not want the divorce/failure thing. She could not be a perfectionist and have married him; he’s mean.

Congrats watertiger for having the guts to watch MTP-David Gregory,I couldn’t reward that creep & sincerely hope more will do like me & not reward these Repuke based shows with viewership.

I dunno, perfectionists often come with a heaping side order of self-loathing.

Another cowardly professional liar promoting tyranny through fear.

WWPD?(Patton), slap her silly mug and tell him we could lose 90% and still be as big as Canada.

What Freidman and others are selling is not safety but fear because this is about control. If it were just about lives, we would have outlawed tobacco an age ago and demanded safer cars.

I disagree slightly. It is always about money.

What you’re forgetting: rightward leaning corporations made money from the people who eventually died of smoking their products and from driving their unsafe cars.

Dying in a terrorist attack, however, doesn’t make money for corporations–the profits have to come in the wake of the attack in the form of no-bid government contracts with limited or no government oversight.

At least that’s what has seemed to work so far.

Word

If you rule by fear, making people afraid, you can do anything you want, as Bush and other dictators have shown. The money will follow, as it did for many after 9/11. Some companies may fail, but those in the inner circle will thrive.

Simon Marshall: If you don’t cooperate, you won’t get to meet Tom.
George: And who’s this Tom when he’s at home?
Simon Marshall: Only Tom Friedman, the official pundit.
George: Oh! You mean that dim twit who gets everything wrong?
Simon Marshall: Excuse me?
George: Oh, yeah. The lads frequently sit around the telly and watch him for a giggle. One time, we actually sat down and wrote these letters saying how great he was and all that rubbish.
Simon Marshall: He’s a trendsetter. It’s his profession.
George: He’s a drag. A well known drag. We turn the sound down on him and say rude things.
Simon Marshall: [horrified] Get him out of here! He’s knocking the image of the Village!
George: Have I said something amiss?

LOL, yes, poor Tom isn’t Fab at all, he’s dead grotty.

I object to assigning David Gregory the “Dancin’Fool” moniker. I’ve had it as my online ID for years. Besides it’s an insult to Zappa. May I suggest another title instead? How about David “Humbug Hoofer” Gregory? ANy other suggestions out there?