Comments on: Stimulus Fixes for Transportation and Bankruptcy Get Traction in House http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:13:56 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: geordie http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807308 geordie Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:42:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807308 <p>Stirling, only revenue bills (Ways and Means) really HAVE to start in the House - the Senate has always viewed Appropriations bills as not fitting within the Constitutional category of revenue bills. And there have been tax bills that didn’t start in the House either - it’s pretty simple, the Senate can just take any old bill the House has sent over, strip out everything but the bill number, and substitute what they want, be it taxes or appropriations. It has only happened rarely with tax bills, once in the 1980’s that I remember, and I don’t know about Appropriations - but really, it’s politics, not the Constitution, that makes bills start in the House. If they want to, they can start in the Senate. They rarely want to.</p> Stirling, only revenue bills (Ways and Means) really HAVE to start in the House – the Senate has always viewed Appropriations bills as not fitting within the Constitutional category of revenue bills. And there have been tax bills that didn’t start in the House either – it’s pretty simple, the Senate can just take any old bill the House has sent over, strip out everything but the bill number, and substitute what they want, be it taxes or appropriations. It has only happened rarely with tax bills, once in the 1980’s that I remember, and I don’t know about Appropriations – but really, it’s politics, not the Constitution, that makes bills start in the House. If they want to, they can start in the Senate. They rarely want to.

]]> By: Hmmm http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807251 Hmmm Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:09:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807251 <p>Yes, second time; I recline corrected.</p> Yes, second time; I recline corrected.

]]> By: Loo Hoo. http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807248 Loo Hoo. Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:07:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807248 <p>Me too. Just this second time.</p> Me too. Just this second time.

]]> By: Hmmm http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807237 Hmmm Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:56:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807237 <p>“…(F)air to the banks who have been the most irresponsible and greedy and dumbfucks” would mean letting them go bankrupt, and that would be fine as far as that goes, but if that means we all have to eat Ramen for 20 years instead of being a shining beacon on a hill, then I’m willing to let them live. Just this one time.</p> “…(F)air to the banks who have been the most irresponsible and greedy and dumbfucks” would mean letting them go bankrupt, and that would be fine as far as that goes, but if that means we all have to eat Ramen for 20 years instead of being a shining beacon on a hill, then I’m willing to let them live. Just this one time.

]]> By: Loo Hoo. http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807233 Loo Hoo. Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:48:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807233 <p>I know nothing of which I speak on this! Just trying to make sense of a situation that could benefit someone who has been irresponsible over someone who has been responsible.</p> <p>And to make it fair to the banks who have been the most irresponsible and greedy and dumbfucks.</p> I know nothing of which I speak on this! Just trying to make sense of a situation that could benefit someone who has been irresponsible over someone who has been responsible.

And to make it fair to the banks who have been the most irresponsible and greedy and dumbfucks.

]]> By: Hmmm http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807226 Hmmm Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:29:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807226 <p>Sure, but don’t you think we have to balance the badness of the unfairness of some folks getting a break they don’t necessarily deserve against the badness of a frickin’ depression? I know how I would vote there. If the flat 5.25% deal for everybody would do the trick in terms of freeing up the liquidity crisis (and I don’t know whether it would or not), then that seems like a tradeoff I could happily embrace.</p> Sure, but don’t you think we have to balance the badness of the unfairness of some folks getting a break they don’t necessarily deserve against the badness of a frickin’ depression? I know how I would vote there. If the flat 5.25% deal for everybody would do the trick in terms of freeing up the liquidity crisis (and I don’t know whether it would or not), then that seems like a tradeoff I could happily embrace.

]]> By: RevBev http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807213 RevBev Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:13:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807213 <p>And he is really hard to look at…just not a good spokesperson…</p> And he is really hard to look at…just not a good spokesperson…

]]> By: Loo Hoo. http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807207 Loo Hoo. Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:09:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807207 <p>I’m understand what you are saying. We did have one home go into foreclosure in my neighborhood. (Interestingly, the woman worked for Countrywide, took her money from here and transplanted it to a bigger property and house.) I have no clue where the family is now, financially, but I really would resent it if they were getting a better interest rate than I am.)</p> I’m understand what you are saying. We did have one home go into foreclosure in my neighborhood. (Interestingly, the woman worked for Countrywide, took her money from here and transplanted it to a bigger property and house.) I have no clue where the family is now, financially, but I really would resent it if they were getting a better interest rate than I am.)

]]> By: wesgpc http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807204 wesgpc Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:08:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807204 <p>wrt to FDR quote, I agree. Need to advocate loudly for good stimulus and be proactive in analyzing and offering critiques of bad proposals (especially unproductive tac breaks for big business and wealthy).</p> wrt to FDR quote, I agree. Need to advocate loudly for good stimulus and be proactive in analyzing and offering critiques of bad proposals (especially unproductive tac breaks for big business and wealthy).

]]> By: Eureka Springs http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807201 Eureka Springs Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:03:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/25/stimulus-fixes-for-transportation-and-bankruptcy-get-traction-in-house/#comment-1807201 <p>That’s all a secret bonus. /s</p> <p>What’s really odd to me.. is <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/22/AR2009012202247_pf.html" rel="nofollow">3 billion for broadband </a>is in the House Energy and Commerce Committee, yet another (potential) 3 billion is in play for broadband in the Agro committee.</p> <p>Shall we call it - Incoherent chicken feed for the big Telcos?</p> That’s all a secret bonus. /s

What’s really odd to me.. is 3 billion for broadband is in the House Energy and Commerce Committee, yet another (potential) 3 billion is in play for broadband in the Agro committee.

Shall we call it – Incoherent chicken feed for the big Telcos?

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