Thanks PW for posting this. I’m sure there will be some liberals who will go after Dr. Mattson, however. Sad.

Yes let’s forget that CAIR’s chairman said he wanted Islam to ”reign supreme” in America, or that they’re funded by the Wahabbi Saudis. Let’s just pretend and put on a smiley face in the name of political correctness.

The first problem is Ap putting out articles with no author’s name listed. We need to put pressure on them to always include the authors name.
Another thing I’d like to see is sources in articles named instead of so many unnamed sources. Back to the old school of journalism where journalists can write stories and not worry about losing their jobs or getting killed.

[Mod Note: Please lower the rhetorical heat just a bit. Thank You] Since when do we label a Religion Terrorist when in fact most Muslims are disgusted by what has been done in the name of their religion.

Tell me, are you planning to visit regularly, that you might get to know us, or are you just joy riding?

Answer, if you wish, otherwise, have fun, don’t take no wooden nickels and make certain ya always wear clean underwear.

I don’t know, I’m not sure if I can take the number of 9/11 Truthers infesting this site.

Might be too much of a hazard, TC, probably give ya headaches …

;~(

I’ve learned from the posters on this site that everything bad in the world is caused by 1)Israel, and 2) the United States.

Hey, PW – rare that I can drop by a thread of yours live.
But, y’know, I’ll give this attention a little later (please don’t take this the wrong way) – right now I’ve been listening to the Inauguration Free Concert on the Mall -just ended on NPR. I should say I’ve been listening, dancing, and even baking – just finished the first slice of the first loaf of bread I’ve baked in awhile.

It’s a good day. You know, “all’s right with the world,” (or so I can believe for a little while). No bad news, no obnoxious RW troll can bust my good mood. : ) : )
I hestitate to say, feeling for all of you in the frozen north and east – but it’s almost 70 degrees in So Tex., and sunny, and I’m feeling extraordinarily optimistic.

I’ll be snarky again very soon – but I think I’m going toshut down the ‘puter and go outside for awhile. BBL!

You forgot the British.

By gosh, you are learning, TC, I’m proud of ya.

‘Course ’tis possible that you side with the Screw America First crowd, in which case, you’ll not find favor here, regardless …

My nephew performed there w/ the Naval Academy!

Hmm, I thought the feelings of a leftist would be more mixed towards Britain.

One one hand, it was British people who originally founded the most evil nation in the universe (the United States), which is bad.

OTOH, they’re part of the European Union and Socialists, which is good.

What is the first rule of the Lake in dealing with trolls?

Book Salon is upstairs with Scarecrow hosting author Donald Kettl The Next Government of the United States

ignore works.

Um, Down with Zionism! 9/11 was an inside job!

(Am I still a “troll”)?

TROT is Empires are FU. To whom are you referring as a leftist?

Well, today has been an ‘experiment’.

But I wish selise were here, cuz, against muh better judgement (Ha!) …

I deciderated ta give ol’ TC the benefit of the doubt, after selise done convinced me that everybody is capable of changing their minds.

That got me, becuz, the human world DOES change one mind at a time.

But I do wish selise were here to practice the stellar advice she offered and assertain its ‘efficacy’ …

Its a case by case sitchyashun, I reckon.

;~)

Seems that advice has been consistently ignored this afternoon, tho’, hasn’t it? :-(

Um, Down with Zionism! 9/11 was an inside job!

(Am I still a “troll”)?

You will not become one of us until you admit that 9/11 was an inside job caused by the Zionists.

I didn’t label Muslims “terrorist”. I said CAIR is a questionable group that has put a smiley face on radical Islam, like supporting the censoring of the Muhammad cartoons, violating free speech in the name of feel-good political correctness.

FDL tends to accept and allow many different points of view and perspectives as long as they are offered with respect for those that disagree.

It also helps to have some level of evidence to back up any contentions made so that those reading may make their own decisions as to how viable and trustworthy the contentions are.

i concede. you were right. i was wrong.

How do you identify them?

No, selise, you are correct, its simply a question of ‘timing’.

;~D

Actually you said “Yes let’s forget that CAIR’s chairman said he wanted Islam to ”reign supreme” in America”- could you provide documentation? All I found was some hearsay accounts from TardConMedia.

http://www.boston.com/news/glo…..cal_islam/

There.

Oh, and here, the original primary source.

http://www.danielpipes.org/394.pdf

Not sure that an op-ed column from the Boston Globe’s in house conservative fits the definition of a “credible” source but to each his own.

I gave you the original newspaper that covered the speech, too. It’s a news report, non-partisan, from a standard local paper. There are some pretty damning quotes by the CAIR leader in there.

Really? Learned all that from the posters here? Excellent! Our job is done here.

Actually, everything bad originates from the Bush Regime & Israel.

Little different in tone or content from what I have heard in hundreds of sermons in Christian churches.

Oh, and technically, a news article is not a primary source.

The Axis of Evil:

from the Daniel Pipes piece:

During the 2005 trial of Sami Al-Arian, accused of heading Palestinian Islamic Jihad in the United States, Ahmed Bedier of CAIR’s Florida branch emerged as Al-Arian’s effective spokesman, providing sound bytes to the media, trying to get his trial moved out of Tampa, commenting on the jury selection, and so on.

from Wikipedia:

As part of his activism, Al-Arian met with then candidate George W. Bush at a campaign event in Florida in March 2000 where Bush and his wife, Laura, posed for a photo with Al-Arian and his family members. Al-Arian later claimed to have spoken to Bush about the government use of “secret evidence” in deportation proceedings against accused terrorists. When Bush subsequently brought up the issue in a debate with Al Gore, Al-Arian was reportedly “thrilled–and began registering local Muslims for the Republican Party and praising Bush at local mosques.”

Yet, i bet you were just up in arms over Rick Warren, weren’t you?

Also, Christian Evangelicals don’t fly planes into buildings.

So what? I disagree with Bush on a lot of things.

I think people should know who they are getting in bed with. If people around here are letting their anti-semitism get the best of them, they are jumping in bed with theocratic, misogynistic, homophobic radical Islam. Like the Republicans were only too happy to pre-9/11.

Like I said…

Got context for that statement, TC? “Reign supreme” where? In cooking?

Yet, i bet you were just up in arms over Rick Warren, weren’t you?

Not especially.

Also, Christian Evangelicals don’t fly planes into buildings.

Quite true. That’s what bombs are for.

And with that, I bid you good afternoon.

I knew that there must be something good one could say about them.

You didn’t read the newspaper article, did you?

In it, he proclaims:

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth”.

But in the leftist mind, radical Islam is OK because its adherents are non-white and from the third world, despite the fact its way more socially conservative than evangelical Christianity.

That response just identified you as a non-troll. *g*

Christian rhetoric about Christ’s dominion over the earth ring any bells?

Christianity has mellowed out a hell of a lot more than Islam over the years. If this were the year 1200, you might have a point. But it’s not, so you don’t.

How many Christians riot in the streets and burn things when South Park does a parody of Jesus in their cartoon?

And your point is?

Jihad Envy is so unbecoming. So is doing things like sending death threats against kids who take communion crackers out of church: They’ve come very close to destroying the college career, and future career hopes, of college kid Webster Cook for doing just that.

To protest the Fundie attacks on Cook, atheist scientist PZ Myers “desecrated” a communion wafer, a copy of one Richard Dawkins’ books, and a copy of the Koran. As a result he has encountered no attacks from Muslims, but tons and tons of attacks from Christians — this despite the fact that various Christians who hate PZ have been quote-mining his writings and sending them to various Muslim groups hoping for a fatwa that just hasn’t come yet.

Funny — that’s pretty close to what your Fundie friends say, TC. Do we start calling them terrorists, too?

Just pretend that the Muhammad cartoon incident never happened.

How many riots over funny cartoons of Jesus have we had in Europe?

Tell it to Salman Rushide, PW. Tell him how tolerant radical Islam is.

Again, leftist just can’t believe a non-white religion form the third world could POSSIBLY be violent! No no no! It can’t happen! Only the dominant religion in the west is bad!

More on the fallout from PZ Myers’ protest against the religiously-motivated efforts to expel Webster Cook:

scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/i_get_email_20.php#more
scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_confraternity_of_catholic.php#more
scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/not_again.php#more
scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/rolls_eyes_its_a_cracker_peopl.php#more

Again, while PZ and Cook have received death threats and hate mail far beyond our worst imaginings from Catholics and Fundies, they haven’t got any threats from Muslims. Period. This despite the fact that the Jihad-Envy-afflicted amongst PZ’s allegedly Christian enemies have been assiduously sending links to the “desecration” to groups like CAIR.

Has Cook had any assassination attempts yet? Theo van Gogh didn’t just get THREATS when he “insulted” Islam, he actually got assassinated.

I’m not fond of the fundamentalist strands of any of the major world religions.

But I try not to tar all adherents with the same brush.

Radical Islam is the biggest threat of our time. It’s already destroying western Europe as we speak. I hope now that the American left is actually going to be in a position of power they might get serious and realize that, unlike the European Left. But I won’t hold my breath.

TC, you can’t wash away blood with blood. You ignore Christian naughtinesses even as you search through Muslim naughtinesses for a reason to be nasty to them. An eye for an eye makes us all blind.

Oh, and by the way, Muslims are not as monolithic in their attitudes as you might think — though one way to get them to unite in circle-the-wagons monolithicness against America is to attack their lands per the Ledeen Doctrine:

“Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.”

Fern, TC just wants an excuse to use the Ledeen Doctrine on somebody, likely preferably someone whose skin tone is darker than his. He’s what you get when you watch too much FOX News.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is someone whose skin is darker than mine and she recognizes the threat of radical Islam, and doesn’t pretend there is moral equivalence between the West and radical Islam.

I know. Also know that I am wasting my time on this. He’s been a busy guy today.

Well, you’ve got a point about Christianity being more mellow at this time. But Christianity has had a 600 year head start over Islam, hasn’t it?
And your chronology is a bit off. Christians were slaughtering each other all over Europe over points of doctrine hundreds of years after 1200.

Oh, since Bush hung out with CAIR people, does that mean that Bush is objectively pro-terrorist, too?

Paul Christian? It would explain much.

http://profile.myspace.com/ind…..d=27521038

“Paul Christian?”

Not me.

Bush has a blind spot on this. He hung out with Latino racial power groups, and I criticize him for that too. He’s too easily intimidated by the P.C. Police.

Photograph of evil soldiers from the Apartheid Israeli Army who just want to kill some brown people.

Well, you’ve got a point about Christianity being more mellow at this time. But Christianity has had a 600 year head start over Islam, hasn’t it?
And your chronology is a bit off. Christians were slaughtering each other all over Europe over points of doctrine hundreds of years after 1200.

Yupper. The safest place by far for Jews for most of the past two millenia was in the Islamic world. When Ferdinand and Isabella started killing both Jews and Muslims upon their conquest of Spain in 1492, Spanish Jews either went underground or fled for the Dar al-Islam as fast as they could. While even England and Scotland were slaughtering Jews as a warm-up or accompaniment to the Crusades, Jews found a warm welcome in the cultural capitals of the Islamic world.

By the way: Terrorist Strategy 101: A Quiz is still very good reading.

You need to read some Bernard Shaw. This stuff about the Muslim world being a paradise for Jews in the Middle Ages is P.C. History.

Er sorry, Bernard LEWIS.

Radical Islam is the biggest threat of our time.

I don’t see how you can say this after over a million people have died either directly or indirectly from our invasion of Iraq.

Do you know who came up with the Yellow Star Badge for Jews?

Not Nazi Germany. They just copied the idea from Muslim countries that used it in the Middle Ages. Oh, those sweet, tolerant Muslims.

Maybe you’ll finally get it when they’ve taken over Europe.

oh never mind. My heart just isn’t into arguing with someone who’s mind is boarded up for good.

Came out of lurk mode to chuckle: tee-hee

It really wasn’t all that warm a welcome. Islam is only very superficially tolerant. The Sunni guardians in Saudi Arabia and the Shia theologians in Iran have a similar approach to freedom of conscience in religious matters. See Apostasy, penalty for.

It’s all a matter of degree. When the choice is the Inquisition and death compared to “OK, you can live and pray as you wish as long as you keep quiet and out of the way” then, the latter becomes an island of tolerance.

PS thanks for the tip on Terrorist Strategy 101 it is fun.

And pay a vastly disproportionate share of the Caliphates taxes. And have to live in only certain places. And blah, blah, blah.
If I kept up this shit, it would sound like I was describing the Arab Israelis.

So, like any religion you do not happen to agree with, speak out about it! That happens to be your right in this country. Scientologists claim theirs is the only true religion, why don’t you go after them? Every religion believes the entire world should only believe their particular religion, why don’t you bitch about Pentacostals, or Catholics, or Baptists. or Mormons? These groups have all used violence, in the name of religion, to get rid of non-believers, why don’t you bitch about them, too?

Good point. You can’t ever go wrong by bitching about other people!! You’ve got the FDL Spirit!!

(Mormons! Hah! Too easy).