WASHINGTON, Jan 16 (Reuters) – About 500 Navy construction engineers will go to Afghanistan next month to build facilities for thousands of extra U.S. troops expected to deploy there in coming months, the Pentagon said on Friday.
The 25th Naval Construction Regiment, based in Gulfport, Mississippi, will arrive in Afghanistan late in February for a deployment of up to 12 months, officials said.
The sailors were initially due to deploy to Kuwait, which the U.S. military uses as a support base for operations in Iraq. But their assignment was switched as part of a shift in military strategy as the United States begins to focus more on Afghanistan.
They are scheduled to be tasked with constructing bases and facilities for a significantly larger US presence. At the same time orders for the parts for more laser guided bombs have been stepped up, indicating that there is a planned air phase as part of the insertion, and a greater role for US fighter/attack planes in targeting what the Army is currently referring to as "anti-Afghan" elements, but which are, in fact, indigenous groups in Afghanistan that do not recognize the current government.
However, even the NATO Secretary General recognizes that "Afghanistan is organically linked to Pakistan," and there must be a comprehensive approach. Next door in Pakistan, this is seen as a prelude to invasion by ISI supporters and ultra-nationalists. Everyone wants to get Afghanistan right, but the consensus inside the beltway is for escalation in Afghanistan, and then to spring board to Iran, not Pakistan.
Afghanistan has become, again, a legal black hole, exporting opiates. Even the Taliban have capitulated to the economic reality, and allowed cultivation, in their areas, something they prohibited when first in power. Stories such as acid attacks of school girls, falling life expectancy, revenge killings and political assassination have motivated many to want to attack without relent until the problem is "solved." Moral among US troops in Afghanistan is higher, even as they say good bye to the pieces of their civilian life in what is the hardest of hardship tours.
Islamic opinion is divided. Bush is recognized as a disaster. Obama evokes a startling range of reactions, from those that compare him to Hitler and chant for his death, to those who believe that he will usher in a completely new era in global relations. As with Americans, people over seas stamp the coming era with their own hopes. However, the first step is already decided: America is going to construct bases, and accelerate the air war in Afghanistan, and hold consultations inside of NATO as to what kind of political outcome to have.
Ambassador Gallucci is well known for saying that we can approach any international problem with three options: talk, wait, bomb. The option now in Afghanistan is "bomb," because there are no formal channels to negotiate with the warring parties in Afghanistan, and the slide in conditions since 2007 has left no one in the mood to wait. In the last decade America shifted to a 1 1/2 half war "fight win fight" strategy, which was immediately dubbed "fight/lose/fight." The accuracy of that acid observation is about to be tested.



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This is one thing I applaud Obama for doing.
I wish, though, that he and others would realize that no they’re not going to successfully destroy opium production and should just have our government buy up the crop instead.
but the consensus inside the beltway is for escalation in Afghanistan, and then to spring board to Iran, not Pakistan.
It is as if the election didn’t mean anything at all.
“To spring board to Iran …”
Great, just great.
Gonna be having lots of audacious hopes, no doubt.
Thanks, Stirling (I think).
Seriously, Stirling, which of our great ‘wisdoms’ has deciderated upon that particular lousy idea?
Sowing seeds of hatred for America.
Remember Mossadech? I wonder how many Americans really know the true history of our ‘involvement’ with iran.
The Iranians do.
They also remember the Shah and Savak.
*sigh* I’m going to wait before I add my two cents. I want to see what the new administration is actually going to do instead of commenting on speculation. I admit that I’m not sure as to what can be done in Afghanistan but I hold out hope that dialog will play a large role.
Interesting to see SeaBees going in to construct bases rather than “contractors”…what sort of change does this represent?
Hey wobbly!
Great to ’see’ you!
;~DW
We burned half of Vietnam from the air in the 1960s, yet I don’t see many Vietnamese chanting “death to America!” in the streets of Hanoi. The Iranians need to get over the 50s.
Apparently the US military is going to attempt to use the strategy that worked in Iraq, buying off the enemy with guns and cash…bribing killers. It’s worked before apparently.
where’s Halliburton?
Perhaps the Vietnamese are more evolved and forgiving than we?
Do you agree that all human life is equally valuble, or does reducing certain ‘other’ human beings to mere statistics (read:dead!) seem a reasonable human endeavor?
Do you imagine that we’ve any sustainable future if the ‘first’ and ‘final’ solutions are so remarkably similar?
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hey DW!!! Great to see you. Missed you a bunch. How are things? I’ll be back on more now that i’ve finished my apps and have been re-energized with lots of positive energy.
Hope someone has worked this issue hard. Afghanistan is a nation in the parlance of the western world- but that covers up so many differences that it would perhaps be better to use a new term. It seems like a vestigual fuedal state- there is no government per se. There is no enemy per se. There ARE thousands of individual warlords who offer protection for armed service- and who want a bigger piece of the pie than the other guy…we have to invent names in order to pretend that there is an identifiable enemy (Taliban, Al Queda)….in truth we are involved in a war pitting one warlord against another.
Well it damn sure didn’t work in Afghanistan in 2001 2002. The CIA used a couple of cargo planes full of money to hire warlords and buy prisoners some of whom are still in gauntanamo.
44 hrs & 20 min
We got a new prez, on Tuesday, next, and therefore a ‘chance’ at something better.
For myself, the snow is dealt with (’til that dreaded plow comes round again), and the kids are out sled riding, the cats are fed and I’m hangin’ out with friends and amicable souls, right here. Life is good.
How’s thangs with you and yours?
I don’t like to play a game without being able to answer the question “How do I win?”
This, of course, is no game- but I still need to have the question answered- and it isn’t obvious that there is an answer-
They are now headquartered in DUbai
44 hrs & 18 min
If the definition of victory in Afghanistan is “A Stable pro american democracy” then we’re fucked!
I love your clock. So when does the drinking begin?
I’d say victory means a benevolently neutral semi-stable democracy, combined with the capture of bin Laden et. al.
You have to understand that Petraeus is now head of CENTCOM which oversees the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan. So can any of us be surprised that he would advocate another “surge”? Or that buying off some of the more buyable warlords is part of the plan? Or that just as with Iraq there is no endgame even remotely being considered?
We were talking about the militarization of foreign policy in the previous thread. One of the things that this militarization does is that it focuses our policy on “winning” the war, instead of asking ourselves what our foreign policy interest is, if any, in Afghanistan.
When was the last time that Iran attacked another country? When was proof shown of any illegal weapons program in Iran? Forget the psyops of that video that was shown on CNN. There are peace groups in Iran and many groups in the US who are trying to stop another illegal attack on a country that does not threaten the US. It is all about what Israel wants done. It always has been. The pursuit of that damned pipeline is still behind every decision that is made. Whatever you hear otherwise is a lie. PNAC PNAC all the time.
http://www.peacewithiran.com/
http://www.peaceact.net/Links/Links_Iran.htm
Howdy, bb.
That makes entirely too much sense.
The American War On Drugs would be terrified by such rational thought, as they’ve a vested ‘interest’ in keeping things precisely the way they are.
Wonder why (not really, just comes down to esses with verical lines through ‘em)?
PS, have been sharing your many linkerages, all around, well-received, and appreciated at all ‘destinations’.
DW
Then we’re fucked- there will never be a successful stable democracy in Afghanistan….The one they supposedly have now can’t even govern the capital.
It is an land area that is home to numerous tribes. Some are trying to live, some are trying live off of others and control them while eliminating competitor controlling interests.
44 hrs & 12 min
Sounds about right- Kind of like Hobbe’s “State of Nature” where life was brutish and short.
12:01 ET 1/20/09
44 hrs & 10 min
What do you mean? Obama was pretty clear that he intended to continue the fight in Afghanistan and to not allow our opponents to feel safe in Pakistan.
I recall people saying the same thing about Iraq. It’s going to require more troops and a new strategy but it can be done. I’m not talking about it becoming Belgium or Canada, that’s pie-in-the-sky. But it could at least become, say, Lebanon or Turkey.
Sigh … edit: ‘War On Drugs crew’
and … ‘vertical’ lines … (jeez …)
Qwerty and I are gonna have to work on this together, definitely
;~)
Tap, tap, tap …
This thing still on?
Which sounds like he is perpetuating Bush’s mistakes, not learning from them which was what dcblogger was saying.
On August 19/53, the CIA with the assistance of parts of the army in Iran, overthrew Mohamned Mossadegh. It was because of his nationalization of the Anglo-American oil company. The Iranians were attacked by the US because of oil. It is still about the oil..it is always about the oil. The US has been running covert operations inside of Iran..that is illegal. Here is a 50 page PDF that covers 1950-1953…Politics, Power, and US Policy..
http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/facu…..s/iran.pdf
There will be a lot of blood spilled in Afghanistan.
44 hrs & 1 min
And you think that Iraq is now a stable democracy? Wait until the first month that the US checks don’t arrive on Sunni desks.
No, that was about the Cold War. The Soviets wanted to pull Iran into the Soviet orbit state and Mossadegh was a useful idiot to them for that purpose.
There was a lot of dirty stuff done during the Cold War on both sides. Are you saying what happened in Iran is somehow unique or particularly outrageous? Because it isn’t.
Yes and the Surge will be a failure, and it will be just like Vietnam! Right?
*yawn*
You are quite adept at changing the subject to the red herring of your choice.
Quick! Someone burp TC, fallen asleep in the soup, again …
Poor thing.
The master of the understatement! No words I could say to top that!
I added a bit more at your diary because that one link to the 2003-2004 manual is a deader..typing in the url does not work, either. I thought it important for people to see some of the proof that torture is official US policy. It is hard to stop linking because there is so much at wiki on this subject.
The CIA and all of its government connections will not allow their source of ‘black ops’ money to be ended. Not unless they are forced to..continued war in Afghanistan means continued flow of the drugs/money back to the US.
Come on, rwcole. Just admit Bush was right about the Surge and that we’ve essentially won in Iraq. Even your Dear Leader Obama admits as much.
Wonder if Obama intends to ‘change’ that or anything related to ‘that which must not be known …? (Forgive me, Rumpole …)
Folks like myself have never been wrong when taking a stand against any and all military activity.. yet we are ignored while flesh burns in our name all over the world.
We were bombing Afghanistan days before 9-11.
A Sterling mentions life expectancy….
The average life expectancy for the people in Afghanistan is 44.21 years. A man’s life expectancy is 44.04 years, while a woman’s is 44.39 years
At the very least O’Democrats should admit and define the mission.. even if it is all about the pipeline routes from the Caspian region… WHich also explains our motivations in re Iran and Pakistan.
Of course it will require killing millions more, spending/borrowing trillions more, all for the wrong goal of releasing much more carbon into our atmos.
Unique..no..I think it is up to around 50 countries now where the US has over thrown the governments…and it is still official policy.
Invading Afghanistan was an illegal war of aggression according to International Law. Afghanistan was not a threat to the US. The US had bin Laden as a CIA asset. The US created the Taliban. Bin Laden is not wanted for 911; other countries are responsible for 911…along with your government, of course. A PNAC signer is the puppet government of Afghanistan. His brother is a known major drug player. And on and on..The only reason for the invasion was the pipeline..oil..it is always about the oil.
…sigh..no..he won’t..
Tell me about the Five Jew Bankers of Geneva, bluebutterfly. Oh, and I really wanna hear your theories on 9/11 now. Tell me about Building Seven.
OT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7836596.stm
How many Afghanis stories are told? How many do you recall? Israel terror on Gaza = US terror on Afghanistan. Accept no substitutes.
Invest in the future: Buy U.S. Saving Bombs …
Congre$$ does it, America’s Own Ari$tocracy does it …
Ya don’t want to be ‘left behind’ do ya?
How goes it ES?
Lookin’ forward to Tuesday, next?
Tell me about building 5 that burned all day and never fell down.
Rosie O’Donnell, is that you?
[Mod Note: No personal attacks towards fellow commenters. Thank You] Did the ANSWER march break up early today?
Trying to ride out all this hope and keep my chin up, DWB. Good to see you are as well.
Meanwhile my sleeves are rolled up and I am at the ready to do something! *s*
“Keep an eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon” The video has a fireman saying that and then you can hear the first explosion. You tell me how the advance knowledge was there that building 7 was coming down?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNVKznkLXQ
…and then the Jew Emperor who lives under a moutnain in Austria gave the secret command to his henchmen…
Again, [Edited by Mod. Please refrain from personal attacks]
Yeppers, we is gonna be busy for the forseeable future.
But its good, clean, and necessay endeavor.
Fortunately, we is prepared AND able.
Interesting times ahead, ES, fer shore.
;~D
Droppin’ them ahrs again.
(Qwerty, muh mind-finger synapse may be gittin’ a mite venerable, but ya could help if’n ya wanted to.)
I kin spell, howbsoever muh typerating skills is oxidizin’ right before muh failin’ eyesight.
Tarnation!
Rudy Guiliani’s interview with Peter Jennings..at 1:52..Rudy says “When we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Kgb5RGRAE
Thanks be to the Mods …
You’re on your toes, and much appreciated for it.
DW
I second that..applause directed at the mod…
The US sells the weapons to Israel. Israel buys the weapons with the US taxpayer’s money. War is a racket…a Ponzi scheme of death and destruction..a make work project..so many people making money from this horrible slaughter of innocent humans. Stop the money; stop the wars.
That’s the big BINGO of the 21st century.
Assuming we’ve learned something over the past thirty or forty …
Anglo-American Oil Company????? You might want to review that. You also might want to review the assertion that Iran was attacked by the US.
If you’re going to make sweeping statements, having a few facts to support them is always welcome.
Obama, good luck with that Afgani adventure….
Better to deliver a dose of “post partisanship” would work, without the bombs, becuase with bombs we already know how many friends you will win.
Anglo-Iraniain Oil Company…a BP Precursor, and Anglo-Persian Oill Company sucessor, and the Brits were the 800lb Gorilla back then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A…..il_Company
Yup. That’s one. Now correct your assertion that the US attacked Iran.
Accidentally typed American instead of Iranian.. the British owned company.Your rude comment was right up there with the troll. It was an accident..if people went to the link, they saw that it was. The point is the same irregardless of my error; the oil was the reason then, and the oil is the reason now.
What do you call overthrowing a government..a non attack?
attack:.. to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon;
And Savak was but a minor thing, a little inconvenience.
I have friends whose relatives were killed by Savak.
Savak was set up for the Shah by the CIA.
‘War’ is not simply a massive display of weapons prowess, it is also ‘economic’ and ‘cultural’, its purpose is control and profit.
America, from its destruction of the original peoples of this country to ‘bringing Christianity to the Phillipienes at the beginning of the last century to our ‘adventures’ in Latin America, in Asia, and in the Middle East has been the world’s primary purveyor of war for over 100 years.
That is the truth.
Neither the Soviet Union, nor Germany even came close.
I apologize if you think me rude.
But I have to hold to saying that you’re wrong about the US attacking Iran. The CIA and State Department were involved in the power struggle between the Shah and the Prime Minister. But our involvement was neither forceful or violent, mostly limited to $100,000 and five or six sneaky guys.
You wrong about the US and the 100 years. Try it at 50.
Both Germany and the USSR exceeded the US.
Additionally, while the Shah and SAVAK were brutally oppressive and incompetent, the present government is far worse.
100 it is, the “American Century”.
Mark Twain even commented upon this.
In the Phillipines, in 1899 the order from the American ‘command’ was this;
“Any males over the age of ten …kill them.”
And letters home spoke of how much more fun it was to shoot people than rabbits.
Thems the facts, Jack.
Really, meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign state should always be considered an act of benevolence and an internationally accepted gesture of friendship and goodwill. Many enduring relationships have been established that way. I wonder why so many Countries deem such interference as a hostile act, tantamount to an act of war.
I am always amazed at how some can minimize any action by the US, simply because we are the USA. If the exact same action ever was inflicted upon us, you would be among the first in line calling for us to send somebody, not you, of course, to kill in retribution.
No, I don’t want to minimize the actions of our government, but I don’t want to overstate them. The meddling in the affairs of Iran, in the forties and early fifties, was done by the UK and USSR. The US involvement in Iran was invited by both the last Shah and his father before him in an effort toward keeping his country from dismemberment.
As for your personal comment about me, who the fuck are you?
You’re right about this stuff and it’s from the Spanish-American War that this country started jumping the tracks.
But we really didn’t kill in the kind of numbers that Germany and the USSR did. That’s not to say that we didn’t do our share.
Yeah, we didn’t get serious ’bout big killin’, all at once, until Nam, and then, Kissinger showed us the light.
Irak? Who knows?
But we’re tryin’ …
We were pretty serious in Japan. The firebombing of Tokyo set a record of murderous that we’ve never equalled and hopefully never will.
I’m one of the people who has done the killing. It makes one take a more reflective look at such adventures. There are estimates that we killed somewhere between one and two million Filipinos during our turn of the Century escapades. We also probably killed that many Vietnamese as well-Rolling Thunder. We’re fine upstanding moral leaders of the “Free World”, which is a bit strange as we have more of our people imprisoned than any other Nation.
But back to you, so who the fuck are you?
I’m someone who doesn’t offer personal insult to people that I don’t know personally.
If you feel ill-used by your country and your experiences, don’t put that on me.
A little problem up here in Canada in 1812…’g’
http://www.historycentral.com/1812/Index.html
Oh yes, and the little matter of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It is so easy to overlook such minor details.
Now, bb, if you chaps had just surrendered peaceful-like you too coulda been part of the greatest empuh ever. But you chose to stick with Jolly Olde and then, their sun set and their empuh went away.
Wasn’t ’til the Beatles arrived on the scene (and as few ‘trad’ Brit sports cars, MG, Triumph, Jaguar etc. and some nice bikes) that the Brits could do anything, and then they got Maggot and, more recently, Blair poodled …
All in all, youse guys did alright, but as I told Petrocelli, y’all think you’re ‘above’ us … and damned if the maps don’t back ya up.
;~DW
I’d not heard the name Savak before, so wiki provided. It is so vital that the true history be learned. With the internet, it is finely possible to cut through the propaganda that is taught in text books, schools, etc.
****
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK
Thanks for the giggle. Yeah, well, the final battle isn’t over yet and I for one, have no damned desire to be part of the Manifest Destiny. In other words, your White House can take the NAU and stick it where the sun don’t shine.
Manifest Destiny, jingoistic tenet holding that territorial expansion of the United States is not only inevitable but divinely ordained. The phrase was first used by the American journalist and diplomat John Louis O’Sullivan, in an editorial supporting annexation of Texas, in the July-August 1845 edition of the United States Magazine and Democratic Review, a magazine that featured literature and nationalist opinion. The phrase was later used by expansionists in all political parties to justify the acquisition of California, the Oregon Territory, and Alaska. By the end of the 19th century the doctrine was being applied to the proposed annexation of various islands in the Caribbean Sea and the Pacific Ocean.
http://ca.encarta.msn.com/ency…..stiny.html
Actually, the American ”adventure” in the Philippines was far more complicated than your statement makes it. For a concise and well written treatise on the history of the country and the U.S. place in its modern history download ”The Swish of the Kris” here:
http://www.bakbakan.org/swishkb.html
It is a facinating read.
If you control the border you control the country.
With friends like that, (you win the lottery, those friends are bought) who needs enemies…
And then there was Hiroshima and Nagasaki… we seemed pretty serious about killing then
The number of people killed in the bombing of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki war roughly equal to the number killed over the night we firebombed Tokyo.