ZED.

I surprised Bush’s Approval ratings made it out of the single digits with they way he has destroyed so much of our country.

Don’t forget to take the time to Digg it Pups!

Bush had driven this country into the ground both financially and morally he deserves to be tried and incarcerated for all the crimes his Administration has perpetrated on the American people and POW’S.

Digg it!

knock knock anyone out there?

Reddit it too

This is interesting. Don’t necessarily agree with his 2006 statement but I think is 2007 observation is valid. From Gore Vidal’s Wikipedia bio.

In October 2006, Vidal derided NORAD for its inability to intercept the hijacked aircraft on 9/11, which he asserted was the result of “stand down orders.”

In May 2007, Vidal clarified his views, saying: “I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I’m a conspiracy analyst. Everything the Bushites touch is screwed up. They could never have pulled off 9/11, even if they wanted to. Even if they longed to. They could step aside, though, or just go out to lunch while these terrible things were happening to the nation. I believe that of them.”

Also from Wikipedia.

Vidal is a member of the advisory board of the World Can’t Wait organization, a left-wing organization, which demands the impeachment of George W. Bush and the charging of his administration with crimes against humanity.

You have to recall Bush’s inauguration. In reality, it was downhill from there. If there weren’t so many deluded people in this country he would have never polled more than 30%. His upper 60’s were more a matter of the MSM propping and covering than any actual achievement on his part. Good riddance.

I believe that Vidal preferred the term “coincidence” over conspiracy.

Here Here, he can’t leave soon enough for me. He has been a disaster since he was Anointed by the right wing SCOTUS… Assholes wouldn’t count all the votes… Democracy at it’s best… my ass..

The segment of Vidal’s wiki bio regarding his feud with William F. Buckley is also interesting.

Hey, nahanter… How’s that electric bill? I’ve been away from the lake entirely too much lately and have been meaning to ask…

Oh, and Bush sucks… duh!

;~P

You can only bamboozle and scare the shit out of the people only so long…. there was a group of us who were never fooled and were the ones screaming & waiving our arms saying don’t go there……

The rest…. it depended what hit them….. in AZ a lot were turned off from all the lies about Pat Tillman, others from some other incident such as Katrina but more and more Americans woke up and realized it was all puppet show and the boogie man really wasn’t that scary….

History Channel re the siege of Troy by the Romans. Once the Romans had destroyed all their weapons, they fought back with pottery jars filled with scorpions and came up with a form of napalm-like substance from the soil. Sophisticated warriors back to ancient times and the BushCo neocons deluded themselves invading Iraq would be a piece of cake.

Willful ignorance and incompetence defines George W Bush and his cronies. Oh, corrupt and criminal, too. Gentlemanly C for the history major, indeed.

It was a contest of lawyers and unfortunately it turned out that Bush had a better legal team than Gore.

It was a brilliant strategy, like a basketball player whose team APPEARS to have a 1-point lead handing the ball to the ref, who holds onto it WITH THE CLOCK RUNNING and then hands it back right before the buzzer.

I don’t know that Vidal’s 2002 call was all that hard. I mean even at the time it was clear that Bush was a paler, dumber, less articulate version of Ronald Reagan, the quintessential empty suit President.

We haven’t got our first bill yet but I have seen that our usage is less than 1/2 of the same period last year. The system has produced 700 KWH since it went online! We are very happy with it and can’t wait to see just how much it will produce when the sun gets higher in the sky come spring and summer…

In 2000 I looked into his history as TX gov and saw how he had distributed favors to those that had supported him financially to the detriment of those who didn’t. I also saw where his campaign contributions were coming from. I was afraid then that everything would be slanted to the corp. How bad it would become I didn’t imagine.
71 hrs & 2 min

I always think of James Baker re the Florida mess. I don’t understand how he manages to live with what he has done. He obviously is a smart person and does his job well for his masters (the Bush clan). No feelings, I guess.

???? The Romans never besieged Troy. That was the Greeks. In fact, a Trojan Aeneas was appropriated by the Romans as the founder their state.

Thats a great analogy ratfood! Gee ya think they weren’t/aren’t biased to the right a bit?? Daddy put just a few of them in office!

Bush’s’ sole positive contribution is making every one of his predecessors look better by comparison… EVEN Reagan. Would have thought that impossible until it happened.

WaPo has an editorial up and running which maintains that Bush’s biggest weakness was his CERTITUDE- his insistence on the reality of absolute good and evil..Go read it- it’s good for a laugh…

Bush, of course, wouldn’t recognize evil if it hit him in the face- which his own evil does constantly.

Baker is smart and completely amoral. A dangerous combo.

For me Katy it was just George the first time I saw him I knew he was not capable of leading this country in any meaningful way. Way to tied to the rich oil and energy companies.

What I’ve often thought would have been a fitting send-off for Bush would have been something along the lines of a marching band spelling out “F U” out by the Washington Memorial. Perhaps forming a large one finger salute. Good chance he’d get a great view from the Marine One helicopter.

“God chose me. I wish I was a dictator, that would be easier. I am the Decider, I am the Kommander Guy. Bring it on. Fool me once, we don’t get fooled again.”

Chimpy, we hardly knew ye.

Well of course, much of the reason Bush had a superior legal team owes to the fact that it included five Supreme Court justices.

There were a few more bad actors who were a party of the theft of the 2000 election…. John Bolton, Tom Delay and the brooks brothers revolt, so many people who played their little part were eventually rewarded and others we hope will eventually get their just deserts (Delay)

Don’t forget Mary Kay spokesperson and Tammy Faye Bakker protege Katherine Harris.

katymine – OT – forgive me – if no one has mentioned it yet, re your PUAC comment about publicizing the role of regulation and training in the Hudson River plane rescue – check out Rachel Maddow from last night:

The accomplished ditching of the United Airline plane pilot by Chesley B. Sullenberger III was the perfect coda to the Bush years.
In a fitting coincidence, it even overshadowed the president’s final address to the nation; reality once again intruding on the public relations fantasies of the Bush administration.
At the center, the event was occupied by a man who is everything George W. Bush is not; A well trained professional, who took his job and responsibilities seriously, reacted calmly under extremis and with precision and care. His moment of truth became a job well done.
Nice moment. Glorious news.
More to come.

Gore Vidal tells it like it is. Always. I adore the man.

hmmm preview isn’t working for me (having commputer troubles again) – don’t see the link in the post: trying again:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#28699825

if that doesn’t show up, go to msnbc tv, Rachel’s 1/16 show, segment titled “What Works.”

Missed both KO and Rachel for a girls night out so will download it from iTunes… Thanks for letting me know

Republicans like Baker and Sandra Day O’Connor have been portrayed as sensible Republicans who did what they could to get Bush elected but were then hoodwinked by his extremism. This is, of course, completely untrue. They were hardcore partisans who bent and broke the law to make sure that Bush became President. This willingness to throw away the rules and do whatever needed to be done to get their way became the template for the Bush Presidency.

One thing to remember about Gore Vidal. He was raised among the ruling class. His family has mixed with the movers and shakers of this country for generations. He has a real feel for character — no wonder he saw W’s as lacking.

That contest between the Greeks and Trojans was all just good-natured horseplay.

During late 2002-early 2003, I was hoping that W would invade Iraq ASAP. It was clear that he would invade it, no matter what, so the advantage of his doing it sooner rather than later was that there would be more time before the 2004 election for U.S. voters to see what a disaster it was, and therefore to elect someone else. Unfortunately the disaster did not unfold soon enough to be dispositive in the 2004 election.

try running your spyware software and I bet that will cure what ever ails you

I’m in good company then. Joined them when they first formed up.

Like many, I had a low assessment of Bush from the moment he entered the campaign. The gang of pirates he appointed to his cabinet made it clear how he intended to rule. As it turned out, the chaos and destruction resulting from his reign exceeded my most dire expectations.

Good on ya.

It should have been disastrous enough. Unfortunately, the Kerry campaign was completely incompetent.

That contest between the Greeks and Trojans was all just good-natured horseplay.

Ouch. I suppose this gives the lie to the old saying about never looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Mr. Vidal knew in 2002 that Bush was involved in enabling 9/11, and further, knew that the truth would eventually overwhelm the false propaganda.

gack, trying to do too many things at once…frazzle set in, my bad.

I recently reread The Iliad. I wonder how Homer would have portrayed the P/I conflict.

As an aside, years ago I read T E Lawrence’s translation. I wasn’t impressed.

WOW. That’s one helluva interview with Vidal, ca. July 2002. It’s like a trip to the near past, time travel; in August of 2002, so freaking frustrated with what I saw going on in politics, I began blogging. I could feel all that frustration rushing back again as I read that LANews interview.

Good god but Vidal was right, dead on. And saying so, so openly, in 2002. Back then anyone in their right mind doing so had to give not a flying fig as to the damage that would be inflicted in retribution.

Reflecting on all this 6-plus years later, I cannot help but feel like we’ve had a brush with Nazis; was this what it was like in the late 40’s?

Yes, I don’t think any of us could imagine a President this bad making it to the end of his term without being impeached. But then none of us could imagine just how spineless Democrats would show themselves to be.

True, they’d have been better off if they had subjected that horse to a thorough probing.

Hi – just watched it again – the segment’s a little more oblique on the issue than I remembered- but it’s a start.

Actually, I can’t say that I’m surprised. I loathe the Republicans, I don’t respect the Democrats. It has always been a lesser of evils scenario to me.

Well, it may have been except for the Ohio S of S

I did – it says there’s nothing found. I fear it’s (another) “rogue program” – a pop-up pretending to be virus protection. I got rid of one a few months ago, but this one is newer and trickier. So far, not working. I’ll have to try to find the instructions I had for the other, see if there’s updates, then spend the time to go through the steps. Sigh. But thanks.
BTW, left you a message at the end of PUAC – I’m glad you feel well, but please don’t work too hard. Baby steps after bed rest, you know. We missed you – your comments are valuable; don’t want you relapsing. ;).

Agree.

But then despite 4 more years of unimaginable W disasters and a brilliant campaign by Obama, he won only be single-digits.

Also, Kerry’s loss is more than explained by R cheating.

One of countless examples in history of a powerful society trampling a weaker one. The key difference in this case is that the entire world is watching it unfold in real time, subsequently preventing Israel from finishing them off quickly the way nations would have in centuries past.

Put differently, it would have taken an even larger disaster to overcome R cheating.

Unfortunately, Bush and his chosen few followers have framed this disapproval in the terms of a popularity contest.

As long as they can get away with that word manipulation — which has been a hallmark of the past 8 years — then Bush does not have to meaningfully confront his failures.

“Sure, I might not be ‘popular,’ but I’ve made the tough decisions.”

Good bye. Good riddance. What a mess you’ve created through your unfounded arrogance and overriding ignorance.

Check out the History Chanel this weekend, they were playing the real “Valkyrie” and it had great film and interviews with German family members of the German resistance, good show.
The parallels are scary.

Put differently, it would have taken an even larger disaster to overcome R cheating.

Or a more effective campaign by Kerry. He nearly disappeared from the national stage during the months between clinching the nomination and the convention. Meanwhile, each day brought a new disaster in Iraq and the death toll was climbing. At the time, it seemed to me that Kerry believed if he kept quiet, the Republicans would self-destruct.

Now thats very true! I sure can’t understand why they didn’t go after Bush as soon as they took control of Congressw. Oh yeah that Fancy Nancy from SF who took it off the table, I sure wish Cindy had beaten her last November, she deserves to be ousted for betraying her oath to the Constitution to uphold the law! Mods won’t let me use the words that should be used about her behavior and spinelessness!

Dugg

Others should be directed to that interview with Gore Vidal.
Incredible!

I hear THAT!

I will forever hold her directly responsible for us having to unbelievably wait until the very last minute to be rid of the Bu$h cabal!!!

She should be removed and tried for treason.

Try running the Microsoft LiveOnecare Safety scanner… it is free! But it does take some time.
You can also go to McAfee, Semantic and others to get a free virus scan.
Personally I use Zone Alarm Internet Suite and it provides very good protection including a very good Fire Wall.

Thanks, nahant. I’ll check them all out. I have McAfee, but last week I got the email that my subscript had expired – can’t get updates w/o buying the new program. So the virusscan I ran w/ McAfee wasn’t updated. Can’t buy the new one as I’m out of work and money getting tight. I will check out the free ones.

One of countless examples in history of a powerful society trampling a weaker one. The key difference in this case is that the entire world is watching it unfold in real time, subsequently preventing Israel from finishing them off quickly the way nations would have in centuries past.

Yep they would put the whole population to the sword! That way you didn’t get any terrorists created by any survivors… crude but very efficient.

Windows is having a problem with a nasty worm, maybe you caught it?

Actually the air defense of the US has indeed degraded since I was a member of Air Defense Command, assigned to Mr Bones, an F-106 Squadron that got its start in WWI and located at Dover AFB Del in 1973.
Back then we not only had Air Defense AF planes watching over our coast, but we also had numerous Air Defense Artillery missile Batteries stationed all around the coast of the US. The HQ for all this was at NORAD located in Chyenne Mountain Co. However, having been stationed at NORAD HQ on a TDY-Temporary Duty-assignment, I do not believe that NORAD paid that much attention to flights that originated and ended within CONUS-the US-so that even the NORAD of today-moved out of the mountain by a recent commanding general, who did not have the authority to do so-would not have spotted the hijacked A/C.
That being said, the FAA used to-at least they did when I was a pilot,1973-1998, failed my flight physical in 1998 and was retired after 28.5 years from my fedgov job-have an IFF-Identification Friend or Foe-code-there are thousands of codes, as the 4 numbers go from 0 to 9 and certain codes were designated to mean specific things. Example; 9999 might mean hijacked.
However, many decades have passed since the last A/C was hijacked within the US-most, if not all were hijacked to Cuba,so the hijack code might have fallen into disuse and the sheet that told the Air Traffic Controllers what to do and who to call was most likely not available. Add to that the degradation of the Air Defense Network-When I was in the ADC in the early 70s we had Sq not only in Delaware but also in Va, NJ, NY, MA, and Maine all that just from Virginia to Maine. Now I understand that there is a Reserve SQ based near Boston but not anywhere else from Va to Maine.
Back in the day, we had A/C on both 15 and 30 min alert with, when needed, at least 1 A/C on 5 min alert with the pilot in the A/C ready to go. Sadly, those days are long past and in the ensuing years with the collapse of the USSR ADC for CONUS was dismantled and the plans on how to react were discarded.
Which is really why 3 planes were able to crash into their targets without being intercepted and shot down. Altho I do have my doubts that gwb would have had the guts to shoot down those airliners. Cheney would have, but gwb is, at his core, a coward.

You can get a free trial of Zone Alarm which should allow you to at least clean the viruses off your PC.

We do a lot of decrying here of Pelosi for not allowing the impeachment ofGWB to move forward but what would have happened had the impeachment moved forward. How much blocking of info could the WH been able to accomplish? If it made it to the senate would it pass. Only one vote would have stopped it. It would have been a debacle in the senate. What would have been the outcome of the last election if the issue had been the attempted impeachment of Bush. The perception of Bush by many would have been victim not incompetent.
70 hrs & 5 min

When Bush took office 8 years ago, it was a very dark, overcast day, literally and figuratively.

Baker was always viewed as a Bush loyalist, but O’Connor, who actually had a reputation as a “moderate” Republican, lost it forever when she voted to put Bush in the White House.

Hey, Sarah baby, was it worth it? Was Bush the greatest president ever?

Then he paid no attention to her & the Iraq commission. I love the pic at the top; must make Barb very proud.

Very Interesting!. ThinkProgress has their Top (or Bottom) 43 Loyal Bushies. Darth is #1, KKK #2, Dougie dumbest guy #9, Yoo #11. Lurita Doan #33, Elliot Abrams, #37. Elliot should be in the top fifteen.

I disagree that Brownie should be #5, he only destroyed a city not a country. Paulson is at #14 but I would make him #3. Alphonso Jackson #21, he was just a functionary. I do not think Harriet Miers deserves #26, Some of the other Cheney’s should be there for instance.

Surprise, Colin Powell #39.

I’m surprised that DNI Mike McConnell didn’t make the list.

I always have liked That Gore.

Well of course, much of the reason Bush had a superior legal team owes to the fact that it included five Supreme Court justices.

I wonder how Sandra Day O’Connor lives with herself.

Here’s a trio that I use at home, work on Vista and XP platforms so far:

AVG antivirus (free)
Spybot (free)
Adaware (free)

I alternate running Spybot and Adaware; only 85% of malware/spyware is caught with the best of packages, so using more than one regularly is important.

Periodically I’ve run TrendMicro’s Housecall (free) over the internet, but this assumes one’s system is not so fried that one can get a network connection AND that you have the time to allow Housecall to run for an extended period of time.

I’ve also used Zonealarm for a firewall, but unfortunately it has had more frequent problems with incompatibility after a Microsoft patch than AVG has had.

Recommend to users that they download a copy of each of these tools to a thumbdrive or burn to CD once a quarter (so you have a reasonably fresh copy), also doesn’t hurt to have a Plan B in case a particular worm/virus/malware targets a particular package. I keep a copy of both AVG and Zonealarm ready, for example. Also download security software only from CNET’s Download.com since they offer assurance that the software is free from malware.

I am assuming those 22% have voting rights and drivers licenses?

We should all thank George W. Bush for bringing the “Reagan Democrats” back to the fold.

She’s rich. Republicans have no conscience. With money they don’t need it.

“BDS”?

i guess, feeling clever is more important than being understood.

You know, Gore Vidal has always irritated me. Maybe it’s just that Kurt Vonnegut’s line that Vidal “wants a lot of credit for wearing a three-piece suit” stuck.

But I have to say, not just in this quote, but in the whole of that interview, he gets it 100% right.