Israel’s cabinet is discussing a pause in their attack on Gaza – apparently, they feel decimating Gaza during Obama’s Inauguration would be embarrassing. This decision is being described as a “unilateral cease-fire” which means they refuse to negotiate any cease-fire agreement with Hamas – but they sure have been negotiating with Condi Rice. Now it looks like Condi and Livni have made a deal.
Some of the clauses in the memorandum, that will bind the incoming US administration as well, include measures against Iran, Hamas’s main backer as regards funding and armament.
During an interview to Channel 10 shortly after concluding her meeting with Rice, Livni hinted that some US forces, as well as NATO and other regional countries, will work directly with Israel "in land and at sea" to combat weapons smuggling.
Ha’aretz has a copy of the agreement – you can read it here and:
It also commits Washington to use relevant components of the U.S. military to assist Mideast governments in preventing weapons and explosives flows to Gaza that originate in or transit their territories.
I wonder if those troops are going stop the shipments of "weapons and explosives" we are in the midst of shipping to Israel for use there?
Amnesty International says the UN Security Council must act now and impose an immediate, comprehensive arms embargo on all parties to the conflict in Gaza to prevent any further flow of arms to the warring parties.
“We know that the Wehr Elbe, a German-owned cargo ship, left the USA on 20 December 2008 with a large consignment – 989 containers – of high explosives and other munitions,” said Malcolm Smart. “Hired and now legally controlled by the US Military Sealift Command, it is destined for the Israeli port of Ashdod and was due to transit via Greece, though its latest reported position indicates that the shipment’s route may have changed.”
Tenders for two other arms shipments totalling 325 containers of US munitions were approved by the Pentagon on 31 December, four days after the start of Israel’s current attacks on targets in Gaza. These two consignments were due to be shipped to Ashdod, Israel, from Astakos in Greece, but that particular tender has now been cancelled, according to information provided to Amnesty International by the US Military Sealift Command. Tender documents show that these shipments contain white phosphorous, known for its potential to cause severe burns and an indiscriminate weapon when used as an airburst in densely-populated civilian areas as now alleged in Gaza. The US Department of Defence says it is now looking at other means to deliver the munitions to a US stockpile in Israel. A US-Israel agreement has allowed US munitions stockpiled in Israel to be transferred to the Israeli Defence Force in "an emergency."
You might note that Hamas is not a party to any of this, even though Hamas has made it quite clear that they are willing to agree to a cease-fire under reasonable terms.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s preference was to conclude a ceasefire "over Hamas’s head" regardless of the terror group’s position, working with Egypt and the US, the station reported.
So let’s see:
Israel breaks the existing cease-fire on November 4, and then launches an extraordinarily vicious invasion of Gaza killing over 1,150 people, including over 400 children, leaving over 5,000 wounded, destroying all civic buildings, including schools, health clinics, UN facilities, and countless houses, kills medics and journalists, and drops uncounted cluster bombs and white phosphorous over the densely populated Gaza Strip. . .
and in return, Israel gets US troops and ships full of more white phosphorus.
Of course, this deal-making is not causing Israel to ease-up on the massacre:
Another UN school was hit by Israeli bombs overnight in Beit Lahiya– killing a woman and child and wounding 25.
Sameh Habeeb reports:
4-Child Esa Ermilat, 14, killed and 6 children wounded in Rafah due to an Isaeli artillery shells.
5-Four Palestinian children wounded in Dair Al Balah City.
6-A child killed in artillery shelling near Jablaia town, northern Gaza Strip.
7-Bombs destroyed al Qouqa’ mosque eastern Gaza City.
14-Massive devastation in Tal Al hawa area western southern Gaza City. Hospitals, offices and charities beside houses destroyed yesterday.
15-Israeli tanks opened its heavy gunmachine fire into the houses ofpeople eastern Gaza City.
17-A mother from al Batran family and five from her children killed, several wounded in Israeli strike central Gaza Strip.
18-Fire still ongoing in the UN stores in Gaza.
26-Medical sources: Around 25 Palestinian bodies were found dead in Tal al Hawa by Israeli fire yesterday.
Israeli audiences heard one father’s pain when a Gazan doctor who had practiced in Israel before the blockade, and who has given interviews to an Israeli TV station on local conditions during the Israeli attack, called in to the station begging for an ambulance after his own house was hit and his three daughters were killed. You can see the broadcast call here.
Dr. Izz el-Deen Aboul Aish is heard asking:
“My girls were sitting at home planning their futures, talking, then suddenly they are being shelled,” he said in a voice shaking with emotion. “I want to know why they were killed, who gave the order?”
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Morning Siun, I hope the people of Gaza can hold on until we can find someway to make the Israelis stop. My heart is breaking that this is still going on.. Bloody Hell! Won’t Someone stand-up and stop this insanity??
I’ll let everyone downstairs know you are up :)
When you say that Hamas has made it quite clear that they are willing to agree to a cease-fire under reasonable terms, do you mean terms Hamas finds reasonable or terms that a third party would find reasonable?
While it ’s clear that Hamas would dearly like a cease-fire, would you say that Hamas is willing to negotiate for real and permanent peace with Israel?
“US munitions stockpiled in Israel”
um… why do we have munitions “stockpiled” in Israel?
Oh my God, Siun. This is obscene. Thank you for having the stomach to bring the news of it to us.
If Hamas never fired another rocket at Israel Israel will continue its march through Gaza. Israel has ignored/violated every cease fire, every peace initiative between the Palestinians and themselves. I have no reason to believe they would honour this one.
Israel doesn’t want peace with the Palestinians, It wants Them to be gone.
Israel has over 130 UN/Security Council/Human Rights resolutions against it. Why do we continually ignore/condone Israels behavior and ignore the horrific cost to the People of Palestine?
What ever happened to the US constitution in this crap. I thought that congress had to approve treaties. I am really really tired of this shit where we change the name from treaty to “agreement” and we can ignore the constitution. Change the name from insurance to CDS and we can ignore the law. This is all f**kin BS.
72 hrs & 8 min
I think we’re in the end game now and we can see what Israel has really wanted: Fatah with a foothold back in Gaza (which they will likely use to settle scores with Hamas), Israeli access to some very sensitive intelligence, a US force policing the Gaza/egyptian border (Openly or commando style?). Gaza and Gazans basically crushed, they hope to the point that Hamas will be too busy fixing sewers to make rockets.
And if Hamas shoots off just one rocket, they can crank the war back up.
Boxturtle (Given up on any hope of morality from either side)
Egypt Demands Immediate Cease-Fire In Gaza
I heard an interesting take on why the Arab countries are not very vocal on demanding a cease-fire. Seems they’re very happy with Israel getting rid of Hamas for them, particularly Egypt, since Hamas is an offshot of the Muslim Brotherhood.
That’s the bottom line. The Zionist ideology of Likud and Kadima will ensure that whatever govt rules Israel the extermination of the Palestinians will always be a priority. The recent decision by the Israeli Supreme Court to bar any party favourable to Arabs from participating in the upcoming election is just another ploy to keep the Zionists in power. Fuck Israel.
I thank you for your reply to my questions, but I was hoping for something that was more of an answer to them.
As for your assertion that Israel wants the Palestinians gone…. maybe, maybe not, It’s not like there aren’t going to be 200,000,000 Arabs all around them or more than 1,000,000 living in Israel. But whether they want them gone or not, the real question is whether Israel is willing to make peace and whether Hamas is willing to make peace.
please read my comment on “The Entire Agenda” at #57 over on EW’s page:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake……-of-crime/
Thanks again and again, Siun.
The decision to bar Arab parties is just stupidity during war. The Arab parties aren’t about to dominate the government any time soon.
Hamas is also seen as close to Iran. Lot’s of crocodile tears being shed in Arab governments.
Boxturtle (Iran has been VERY vocal, you’ll note)
Isn’t condi supposed to be home packing shoes or something?
She needs to move on into her future and leave the US ALONE!
has someone sent her the memo yet?
DAMN!
Nobody ever said the Israelis were smart. As we’ve seen here at home a govt driven by an extreme ideology is just a disaster looking for a place to happen.
An excerpt from the Likud Party Platform. Apologies for the length.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Siun and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
There will be no “peace in the Middle East” until Israelis take down their fascist political leadership.
Obama can use some political “jujitsu” on folks by extendin’ the terms of the current agreement to includ a “blockage” of arms shipments to Isael including a suspension and then discontinuation of arms from the US to Israel.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAR GOIN’ ON AND IT’S AGAINST ALL OF US!!
p.s. …”BLOCKADE”
Nice to see ya. When will you get the results back from the stress test?
And, of course US is on the hook to supply Israel with oil, if/when the rest of the world decides to sanction/block Israel over its actions…
‘(b) If the oil Israel needs to meet all of its normal requirements for domestic consumption is unavailable for purchase in circumstances where quantitative restrictions through embargo or otherwise also prevent the United States from procuring oil to meet its normal requirements, the United States Government will promptly make oil available for purchase by Israel in accordance with the International Energy Agency conservation and allocation formula, as applied by the United States Government, in order to meet Israel’s essential requirements. If Israel is unable to secure the necessary means to transport such oil to Israel, the United States Government will make every effort to help Israel secure the necessary means of transport.’
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar…..ilmou.html
Citizen Southern Dragon:
The “dragon” is still sleepin…it seems that there is no structural damage anywhere and with an ejection fraction of 50-55% no valve problems either…we did discover some significant hypertension which may indicate a late onset of pulmonary hypertension and that would be consistent with my history (serious smoker until 20 years ago and serious sleep apnea and sinus scarring)…until we see the cardiologist’s analysis the jury is still out on occlusion or sclerosis to major vessels. The hypertension is bothersome and significant because I have always had goosd healthy low blood pressure even under stress.
Thanx fer askin…now let’s keep whistlin’ and don’t wake up the “dragon”.
Usually they’re called clever…
Anyway, I agree that israel as an ideologically-driven government courts disaster. Put it next to a government driven by another obnoxious ideology like Hamas, and disaster is exactly what happened.
hi, just a quick drive by to say thanks to siun for the post and also to speak up for the peacemakers.
the government of israel does not represent the people of israel any better than bush and cheney have represented us these past 8 years. i suppose it’s human nature to personalize countries – by that i mean to think of them as having the characteristics of their political class or leader. but when the political elite are so divided from the people, as they are in israel and here, governments can and do make choices that are profoundly against the best interests of their own people.
i think that is what we are seeing the result of now. the political situation in israel appears to be trapped in a situation where any political leader willing to make peace and treat palestinians, even palestinians who are citizens of israel, as equals will be destroyed politically if not assassinated first. the political situation in palestine is not much better, in that uncorruptible leaders have been deported, killed or undermined while the population as a whole has been radicalized by over 40 years of occupation.
but that is not the whole story. still, even now, there are palestinians and israelis who are working for a just peace. there are journalists, medics, activists and others who risk everything even their lives to tell the truth, to aid the wounded, to change the politics.
when we describe the conflict as having only 2 sides, or say that there is no morality from either side (yes boxturtle, i mean you *g*), we are ignoring the people we could, and imo should, be supporting.
my 2 cents.
Israel has broken every treaty/ceasefire it has made with the people of Palestine. Why would Palestine/Anyone trust/believe them?
Morning friends – sitting at an airport and have to run soon. The Hamas terms for cease-fire include Israeli troops out, rockets stop, blockade ends and PA guards against weapons smuggling – more than reasonable when Israel is the one who invaded
(((norske)))
Well said.
You are right. When I say Israel, I really mean the Government, not the people (although sometimes I do mean all of them)
Citizen macaquerman:
Let’s not attempt to turn discussion of the current untenable situation in Gaza toward examples of “false equivalence” or “a pox on both houses”…it is clear that this situation right now has been created by the Israeli government to destroy any possibility of a negotiated settlement and to keep the US politically triangulated out of a role in brokerin’ a settlement.
Where’s the profit for the Military Industrial Complex if arms sales and shipments (to any client who can afford them) are blockaded? Since the Construction/Real Estate/banking/mortgage/refinance gravy train fell over the cliff, weapons manufacturing/sales and service remain as a last bastion of our economic dynamic.
Time to get off my can and get stuff done.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
A well spent 2 cents, too. It’s important to remember this.
A favorite line from Harold and Maude comes to mind, “You see, Harold, I believe that much of the world’s sorrow comes from people who are ‘this’ [maude indicates a single flower], yet allow themselves to be treated as ‘that’” [sweeping her hand over a crowd of them].
P.S. If you ever hafta take a “stress test” ya better be tapped up and strapped in …that was the toughest thing I’ve ever had ta do since first sight readin’ vocal music.
Great flick. Many lessons in that little film. I wish I could count the number of people the ex and I turned on to it.
Thinking very seriously of giving up my Turkish smokes.
Citizen NFL
Let us not display our arrogance by telling others what to say.
Let us not ascribe positions to others that they do not hold.
Let us listen and discuss instead of trying to talk over others.
I ca n only speak foe myself, however let us all hope your health continues to be good.
BT upstairs!
People can sometimes trust other people. Often, they must.
If you hold to the idea that Israel is composed entirely of bad people, and that the Palestinian population is made up only of good people, you probably would find the idea of peace between them to be unlikely and unjust.
But that idea and that outcome isn’t of benefit to anyone.
I did not even come close to saying this.
‘if you hold to the idea that Israel is composed entirely of bad people, and that the Palestinian population is made up only of good people, you probably would find the idea of peace between them to be unlikely and unjust.’
Regarding Israels actions against the people of Palestine, the facts speak for themselves. The Government of Israel (past and present) have NOT dealt honorably/honestly in their treatment of the people of Palestine, so I ask again ‘Why would anyone trust them now?’
Years before I came to the internet, I used to say that there never would be peace until both sides stood up to their crazies. While the media and our political leaders have painted Hamas as crazy, they haven’t looked at the Israeli government where the crazies are also in control.
Apartheid didn’t work in S.A. and it won’t work in Israel. Israel doesn’t want Palestinians to have any weapons. Remember Leon Uris writing about the final resistance of the jews in the Warsaw Ghetto? The Palestinians aren’t going to run out of rocks!
Citizen macaquerman:
“Let’s not display our arrogance by telling others what to say.”
It’s not “arrogance” Brother macaquerman” when tellin’ folks not to advance lies or divert from the truth…instead of “arrogance” it’s a moral obligation of citizenship and when I call you out it ain’t out of arrogance but out of moral obligation to protect the truth.
Citizen oldoilfieldhand:
You are of course right on and I must have ffaith that Obama will not let the situation continue until the last rock is thrown or Palestinian is dead.
I apologize for my mischaracterization of your position.
My answer to is your question is, the Palestinians should trust the Israelis because the alternatives to doing so will not be better for them. Additionally, the Palestinians can count on the fact that the Israelis need to make peace. The Palestinian campaign of inflicting random death on Israelis has made the population restive and Israel can only counter it by trying to crush it or allowing it to continue. Neither is likely to work.
I would point out to you that lies and truce violations are not limited to one side or another.
No, friend, telling me not to say it is wrong.
Telling me why I’m wrong is your obligation.
Some people just don’t learn. Bush crushed General Powell’s Political future. Now as with the slave owners,he is using the Black woman to crush the black Man’s image of positive mindedness. Bush and Israel are afraid of the impact President “Elect” Made in Europeand Africa Especially, By escalating the bombardment and now making a joint agreement of abusive committement. What chances will the new Secretary has unless the Senate reverse that decission.Or the Attorney General write Bush and Rice up on charges of destroying the Nation’s image.
By the way have Bush and Rice cleared tjheir curruttle from the White House?
Wait but for a moment. I must not have weapons to defend myself. But you must use WMD’s on Me?
Any turn of the table comparison or reset of Israel’s decades long running desire to derail Arab Palestinian political maturation with overt/covert interference and ruthless demolition of Arab Palestinian political formation exposes just how rotted Israel’s ongoing conduct against Arab Palestinians is.
Were the Palestinians doing this to Israeli political parties,attacking Tel Aviv from the air,sea and land,killing tiers of Israeli leaders how would Israel react? Not fight back? Accept it with resignation? Not become frustrated,angry and seek any means to strike back? So Gaza is supposed to just lay down and do nothing but let Israel do whatever it seeks or wants?
One could surmise also that the Israeli’s have conspired very much during past three weeks to crush/overshadow any hopes civilian Gazans may have aspired to regarding Barack Obama becoming the new American President with new better balanced or more fair policy sets for West Bank and Gaza.
Israel clearly does not want Arab Palestinians to have hope and have sought to contaminate any new WashingtonDC regime policy changes before Day One of Barack Obama being American President.
The cynicism and cruelty of Israeli conduct in this is beneath contempt.
Israel needs to be fully shamed for what it has done to/in Gaza these past three weeks.
That Condi Rice chose to participate in any unilateral Israeli attempts to bind Barack Obama’s policy choices is surely odious as so much of what SOS Rice has done or more on point not done. Condi Rice has not displayed any sense of deeper and longer forward view. A petty woman doing petty policy.
Truly pathetic.
Agree 100% :)
Citizen macaquerman:
“The Palestinians should trust the Israelis because the alternatives to doing so will not be better for them.”
Once again I will exercise my moral obligation to call “bullshit” on you…the Palestinians have the obligation to trust the Israelis only if the Israelis propose or agree to a reasonable settlement or starting point and only if the Israelis make a good faith gesture that the Palestinians can take to the bank. Absent UN and American force, the Israelis will do neither until the Palestinians are history.
Aboul Aish responded: “All that was ever fired out of our house was love, hugs and acts of peace, nothing else, ever.”
The Isreali IDF amd Prime Minister do not approve acts of peace they are a threat to their war…they must be surpressed.
Give back the lands Isreal you have stolenen by war 1967 and on. Isreal expects peace to come by force. America the ugly…the statue of liberty is crying tears of blood. And it has cost American taxpayers since 1948.
Condi Rice ia an AIPAC neocon tool. Will congress approve this “treaty”. This unilateral agreement puts Obamam’s chpoice of foriegn policy in a box and keeps the key. This is sinister.
Please try to understand. I’m answering a question asking why the Palestinians should negotiate with the less-than-honest Israelis.
What I’m trying to say is that unless they negotiate they can’t get to a peace agreement.
My own opinion is that peace is only going to happen if the Europeans, Arabs and Americans agree on a deal and agree to supervise it.
What’s a curruttle ?
The one-sided mindless propaganda-bleating here is absolutely appalling.
WHAT is your authority for the assertion that “Hamas has made it quite clear that they are willing to agree to a cease-fire under reasonable terms”?
Hamas leadership in Damascus whose personal asses are safe from the carnage have “made it quite clear” that they’d prefer for their Gazan brethren to keep right on being slaughtered — AND for the conflict to escalate — rather than negotiate with the evil Zionist empire on any kind of terms other than their own — i.e., we’ll fire our fucking rockets whenever the fuck we want to.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/…..UKLG462043
Though I’m sure there’s a way to blame that, too, on Israel.
A Bush Family specialty…surprise surprise
You’re the second person to ask Siun to explain her probably ill-considered remark about Hamas and reasonable terms. I asked a few hours ago.
It doesn’t that an answer is forthcoming from the author.
Siun, to you my deepest appreciation! I’m so glad to see your series continue.
I agree with your evaluation of the Hamas terms of agreement. IMO, that is why the rushed-up “agreement” between Rice and Livni; it excludes Hamas altogether. Hamas has no voice in the terms Rice has imposed upon our government. It is as if they are a non-people or a sub-form of humanity without the right to speak for their position.
I hope congress challenges this agreement (Kucinich?) on the basis that treaties with foreign countries must be approved by Congress.
i read supporting link and didn’t see anything to support your statement. would you please quote your reference to show how in the world you get to this conclusion?
here is what i read – from your link:
this doesn’t say anything about an unwillingness to negotiate – only that the israeli gov. conditions were not acceptable.
See Siun at 28 above.
Thank you. I apologize to the author and all for failing to notice.
I don’t see anything there about what Hamas would undertake to do or not do, but I did read that it was rushed.
Can I buy stock in your 2 cents???
no. but only because i give it away. *g*
way ahead of me. don’t think i paid much attention at all prior to 9/12/01 other than probably a vaguely pro-israeli orientation absorbed from the npr, etc. have been trying though to catch up since then.
one problem i see is that sometimes groups of people, including whole societies seem to take on pathologies that affect the individual members. in such situations, the potential for abuse by bullies and demagogues is particularly great (see the usa after 911). and maybe, as in cases of domestic violence or addiction, a little outside intervention (of the non-bomb dropping variety) can be helpful? especially perhaps in providing assistance (solidarity, moral support, amplification of message, etc) to those who are trying to stand up to the crazies?
i don’t know, but it seems a low risk approach to try.