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Please welcome author Dave Zirin in the comments — jh
In his book A People’s History of Sports In The United States, Dave Zirin proceeds from the premise that most sports history lacks context and is generally told in an anecdotal fashion that reinforces the myth of athlete-as-iconoclastic-"lone wolf," with little regard for the social forces that shaped conditions for them to emerge. He also rejects the notion that sports and politics should, like oil and water, remain forever separate:
[I]n a time when local governments build these monuments to corporate greed on the taxpayers’ dime, siphoning off millions of dollars into commercial enterprise while schools, hospitals, and bridges decay, one can hardly say that sports exists in a world separate from politics.
The book is part of Howard Zinn’s "People’s History" series for the New Press. Zirin is perfect for the series — his sports analysis in outlets like The Nation and the Los Angeles Times is overtly political, and his past works include a history of sports and resistance in the United States, a political biography of Muhammed Ali and an exploration of what Zirin calls the "athletic industrial complex."
Zirin breaks down sports in the United States into distinct eras. Before the civil war, sports were seen as a sin, the devil’s work. Indians playing wild games of lacrosse were considered savage and hedonistic. "Black codes" forbade blacks and poor whites from interacting in sporting activities in the South. Horrace Greely wrote in abhorence about three hour bare-knuckle boxing ending in death, even as his exortation "go west young man" became a rallying cry of manifest destiny and the extermination of the Indians.
But the Civil War allowed people from geograhically diverse regions to intermingle with plenty of free time to devote to sports, and together with the "new unfettered capitalism" of the post war era, the groundwork was laid for professional sports to grow.
A climate of puritanical moralizing of the past gave way to the the notion that sports way to "glorify God." Rich private donors funded athletic programs not only as a way to socialize immigrants, but also for the purpose of making young members of the ruling elite vigorous enough to lead the spread of empire. Hysterically concerned that we were raising a nation of sissies, people like Teddy Roosevelt became prophets of "Muscular Christianity," with an eye towards imperialism and spreading Christianity by force to other lands.
As sports professionalized, they also become "whitened" — black competitors were expelled with Jim Crow. Quack science developed to rationalize how sports led to womens’ downfall, and the social pressure not to play was extreme. To Elizabeth Cady Stanton and suffragettes, bicycling thus became a symbol of liberation.
In the modern era, Zirin recounts how sports has been platform for dissent and tells the stories of Mohammed Ali, Jesse Owens, Billie Jean King and others. Notably he tells the story of Tommie Smith and John Carlos and their defiant fists extended at the 1968 Olympics. Avery Brudage had them expelled from the Olympic Village and ironically fueled the controversy by saying that politics should play not part in the Olympic games. Zirin notes that in his unpublished autobiography, Brundage was still grumbling about the incident: "Warped mentalities and cracked personalities seem to be everywhere and impossible to eliminate," he said.
Zirin entitles his chapter on the 1980s "Welcome to Hell," describing what happened to professional sports with the election of Ronald Reagan and the "looting decade," which saw vast sums of money flowing with the expansion of cable TV and an international audience. He explores the fact that huge civic structures like teh Louisiana Superdome are built on tax dollars that robbed the community of badly needed services, and the fact that refugees wound up there during Katrina became a symbol of "the federal and local government’s malignant neglect."
It’s a compelling, well-written book that is both entertaining and engrossing. It facilitates an interesting discussion of politics within the subject of sports that is extremely accesable.
Please welcome Dave Zirin to the FDL Book Salon.



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Dave, Welcome to the Lake.
Jane, Thank you for Hosting today’s Book Salon.
It’s great to be hear! I’m a big admirer of firedoglake.
Welcome, Dave. Good to have you here. Saw your appearance on “Morning Joe” and thought people here at FDL would really enjoy the book.
Thank you. Morning Joe is a great deal of fun. And I got to talk about Gaza… by talking about sports.
I heard your speech before the Socialism 2008 conference (which was wonderful, btw) — just curious if you get a lot of pushback from other sports writers on your stuff?
It’s a great question. Sports writers are like the rest of us. The ones that are politically sympathetic have been wonderful. People like Scoop Jackson, Jack McCallum, Bob Lipsyte, Jemele Hill, David Steele, and Jeremy Schaap have been mentors and friends. People who like the politics of sports to be as narrow as the policy debates at the RNC tend to be more harsh.
See, that to me is really interesting. Karl Rove considered local talk radio people his “foot soldiers” because they would carry the “values conversation” to people on subjects the public was interested in. You want to talk about Jamie Lynn’s baby? Conservatives will talk about that from a conservative point of view.
Liberals want to wait until the subject of the Interstate Commerce Clause comes up to deliver their message. It kind of limits your audience.
We had an interesting discussion in our thread on Mitch Albom’s piece on Detroit the other day about the role of sports journalists.
It’s funny that people who depend on civic budgets don’t want to talk about the civic implications of the investment in teams.
Agreed! The great thing about sports radio and sports debates is that it isn’t so politically segregated. You get people with a full range of politics debating issues that some might not see as “political” (steroids, the Olympics, stadium construction) but actually have a serious political underbelly.
It’s fun! But I’d like to see more of the left engaging with the politics of sports instead of treating it like either a terrible distraction from “important issues” or like something to be ashamed of enjoying.
Dave we have a regular football trash-talking contingent at Emptywheel’s place that gets a little out-of-hand.
Ignore them. They’re riff-raff.
I want to read what Mitch wrote. I do know this: so much of sports journalism is narrowed by the desire of writers not to piss of the teams. And taking on public subsidies of stadiums is a good way to do that. But public funding of stadiums is a monstrous sink hole of an investment especially in these economic times. They are welfare hotels for billionaires.
Life without trash talk would be empty indeed. Go Ravens!
(I should probably add as someone with a dog named Kobe that this is a joke)
Hey now. There’s a difference between Trash and our discussion on Albom’s article, which was a really important use of the medium.
Dave welcome to FDL this afternoon.
I am currently reading your book and as someone who enjoys both history and sports, I am enjoying and learning as I go along.
Please forgive me if you answer this later in the book but in the intro and such there is discussion about how athletes tend to avoid politics (or used to for the most part with the obvious exceptions of the Robesons’ Jim Browns, Muhammed Alis, John Smiths and Tommy Carlos).
Why do you think there is so much pressure on the individual athlete to not be political to avoid angering the fans yet the owners and such are given the free pass (Steinbrenner’s contributions, the Devos family and so many others)? Shouldn’t the owners in fact be more susceptible to fan displeasure at poliotical meddling than individual athletes?
What a great book!
I’m a fan of the KC Star’s Jason Whitlock, who does much to include the context of sports in his columns, especially around race and class. Thus, your book was right up my alley — thanks!
By the end, I was struck by the difficulty you must have had in writing it, or should I say, editing it. I would imagine you had a lot that you had to cut out of it, just to keep the project (and the book itself) to a manageable size.
Do you have a favorite story that didn’t make the cut, that you’d like to share here?
I’m curious where you think things will go in the next few years. Corporate sponsorship and multi-million dollar signage on big stadiums paid for out of public funds is going to look a bit obscene, as are ostentatious displays of wealth when people can’t find jobs.
Do you see any kind of protest or corrective in the offing?
To say nothing of Palin dropping her ill-fated pucks.
Great question, dakine. I do deal with it later in the book. There is a great pressure on athletes to not rock the boat. Some of it comes from the teams, themselves, some of it comes from friends and families. We have to remember that an athlete has a very narrow window to make the bulk of the money they will have for their whole lives. A typical football player plays 3.5 years. Baseball and hoops aren’t much better. Risking that for a political stand can seem foolish, especially if the media is set up to trash you.
That said, we also have to remember that sports is a reflection of society. In a country without a vibrant fighting left (like in the 80s and 90s) why would we expect athletes to speak out when the rest of us aren’t? I do believe though that this is now starting to change.
With the added thought that ad revenue is already down, and I think the reliance on TV is really going to hurt as that gets cut back.
Sports, after all, is utterly reliant on auto money advertising, just like newspapers. YEah, they’re still blanketing sports coverage and sponsoring events. But some of that will have to be cut back with the dismal sales they’re expecting.
Yeah there are just so many examples of the double standard involved between how the athletes are expected to respond and how the owners/management respond. I almost want to claim some combination of both race and class bias coming into play.
I have had some run-ins with Whitlock over the years, but I appreciate that he at least puts himself out there and gives you something to debate and argue over (google search Zirin and Whitlock and you will see what I mean.)
SO MANY stories didn’t make the cut. Ask the New Press to commission a Volume II and you’ll find out what!
As someone who comes out of Hollywood, one word: agents.
Sports will have to radically readjust economically. The pillars of the sports economy are public subsidies, luxury boxes, and sweetheart cable deals. All of these are threatened in this economy.
YES! My experience in dealing with political athletes is that the most political have the loosest relationships with their agents. No doubt.
Jon Wertheim at Sports Illustrated did an article this past fall on some of the changes, concentrating on Baron Davis and his support for Barack Obama.
Jom Wetheim also just wrote a terrific book about mixed martial arts.
I was interested to find out in the book that Mychal Bell was one of the most highly recruited athletes in the state, I did not know that. His recent suicide attempt was tragic.
That particular article by Wertheim includes a great quote from Martina Navratilova where she says something to the effect of “Athletes are finally starting to wake up to the political influence they could have.” Love Martina. She is on my sports/politics Mt. Rushmore.
Hope I don’t seem dopey asking but anything about hockey? Say the Miracle on Ice in Lake Placid? Or in the context of union busting? I love hockey but it just seems not to be able to catch on (read: get a network TV contract)here in the USA.
Several members of the Jena 6 are high profile athletes. One of them went to live with his cousin, Jason Hatcher, who plays for the Dallas Cowboys. There is a hatred/fear/hero worship of African American athletes that is profoundly schizophrenic. There are several very high profile confrontations every year between black athletes and police officers. It’s a very real tension.
It may sound a bit surprising but I think a lot of the women tennis players have been far more political for whatever reasons than their male counterparts in tennis and most other sports.
I guess having to fight for things like equality might do that for them.
Mr. Beerfart: I used to love hockey but it’s become a victim of a crisis of overproduction. In the 90s, they went for easy money by pulling teams out of Canada and expanding to the South and Southwest. This is like opening an ice cream store on the North Pole.
(back from teh Google . . .)
You weren’t kidding.
*g*
I live in KC, so I see Whitlock as a local guy first, who also comments on national stuff as well. I don’t always agree with him either, but (as you say) he gives folks something to grapple with — and he’s one of the few to really touch on race and class.
If you’re taking suggestions for a Volume II, I’d love to see a similar look at those who make the money in sports beyond the few athletes at the top of their games. Owners, agents, and corporations in the sports business (whether producers of sports equipment or those who use endorsements for their non-sports products) are present in this book, but largely in the background.
And then there’s the NCAA. The moneymaking end of college sports has reached the level of obscene, especially around men’s basketball and football. . . .
It’s also because of Billie Jean King. She launched the first ever women’s sports union and her match with Bobby Riggs transcended sports and became a pop culture phenomenon. It forever shaped the sport. But don’t sleep on men’s tennis. Arthur Ashe is also on my Mt. Rushmore!
I am absolutely taking suggestions for Vol II. One of the great thrills of touring the book for several months this fall was learning more stories and hearing suggestions. I have a dog eared notebook of stories I’d love to see the light of day. (email the new press!)
True but Ashe was definitely the exception there. Although the tennis folks are all radical liberals in comparison to golf.
If there was one profoundly symbolic collision between sports mythology and reality in the past decade it is certainly the death of Pat Tillman, and the way in which it was hijacked by the Pentagon.
I know you cover it in your book and you’ve also reported on it, but do you have any thoughts on what happened, and what may eventually be uncovered?
In the 70s, when Bill Walton tried to take some stands, he was treated as a freak. That always seemed unfair to me.
I have had the privilege to interview Pat’s mother Mary Tillman. An amazing woman who just authored a stirring book. There is still truth to be told about Pat’s death. The true scandal is the cover up, the insane disregard for the feelings of the Tillman family and treating their beloved Pat as a PR counter point to Abu Ghraib. John McCain, the maverick, threw the family under the bus as he prepared to run for President. Shameful.
Bill Walton had the misfortune to hit his prime in the late 70s (when the cultural and political tides started to turn) and then he kept breaking his foot!
Apropos of nothing, I miss the days when Ralph Lawler used to mock Walton mercilessly when they called the Clippers’ game.
Again, I’m just starting Chapter 4 so you probably cover this later on but there are a few politicians who actually stuck their necks out (justifiably so) in the sports world. The late A. B. “Happy” Chandler was the Commissioner of Baseball when Jackie Robinson came along and I know I read that his support of Branch Rickey and Robinson was a big part of why his contract was not renewed as commissioner. He also served two non-concurrent terms as governor of Kentucky and I think was also in the Senate for a bit.
Golf desegregated fully in 1975. Chew on that. 1975.
How is the decline of traditional print media affecting things in the pressbox? I noticed around the time of the recent baseball Hall of Fame voting that the mainstream sports media is still very dismissive of bloggers.
I don’t care for the corporatization in professional sports. George Steinbrenner and his ilk have put me off baseball. Not only to they make money hand over fist with their “franchise” but they get tax payers money to do it.
Screw them and their celeb multimillion dollars athletes.
Sports played by ordinary folks for fun and relaxation is all that interests me.
Let’s go bowling!
Happy Chandler launched a popular slogan when he said, “If a man is good enough to fight in WW II, then he’s good enough to play Major League Baseball.” He also replaced on of history’s all-time gold star, Hall of Fame reactionaries, in COmmish. Kenesaw Mountain LAndis.
Golf is not a sport, it’s a skill.
Cassius Clay was someone who was interesting and still is as Mohamed Ali.
Sports writers are far FAR more dismissive – and ignorant – of bloggers and blogging than political writers. It’s a shame. I think sports writing would be well served by the interactive nature of blogging. And traditional print media…..well…… aint exactly ruddy cheeked these days.
I agree about golf. Any sport you can master while smoking unfiltered cigarettes is not a sport. Also anything you can do – while GAINING weight – is not a sport.
and like our next VP overcame stuttering to have a very public career
How is someone like Etan Thomas viewed within the world of sports? His poetry and his political commitment have been inspirational to many, but I’m sure there are some who don’t feel that way.
Wow, Dave Zirin, you’re really keeping up! Usually, we overwhelm people with our initial onslaught of questions and then they spend the rest of the time trying to recover.
agreed. ditto NASCAR
SanderO – I can certainly understand why you (or anyone) would be turned off by sports. But as highly distorted as it can be, it is still an art. Like all art, it reflects where we are as a society but also like art, we need to fight to reclaim it and not give up the ghost.
One of the great items in the book for me came when Dave described the reaction to Jackie Robinson winning the first-ever Rookie of the Year award. After describing the breakdown of barriers and Robinson’s beloved status in American culture (#2 behind Bing Crosby as the “most admired American” and ahead of both Truman and Ike), Dave wrote:
I read this, and all the current political stories about “the end of racism” now that Obama is about to be inaugurated as president came to mind.
We’ve still got a long, long way to go.
Etan just tore his MCL and is out for the season. Which is very sad because he overcame open heart surgery to return to the court. He is loved by fans in DC because he is constantly giving of himself (in schools, in youth prisons, wherever he is needed). If the team ever released him for political reasons, there would be a march.
And like Robinson, there is this incredible representative pressure on Obama not to “mess up” because he would be making things harder for all politicians of color. I wish George W. Bush had realized how hard he would make it for this country to ever trust a white person with the Presidency (tongue in cheek). So glad Bush is bye bye. The man is King Midas in reverse. Everything he touched turned to ….
Jackie Robinson is one of my top choices for best all-around athlete of the 20th century. People tend to forget that he was also a football, basketball and track star.
I put Ali on the cover and honestly that was the easiest decision in the entire process of putting together the book. In the 1960s who had the anti-war movement and the black freedom struggle and you had the most famous athlete in the world with one foot in both camps.
He was a remarkable athlete. Olbermann thought he should have been named jock of the century by ESPN. Instead they recognized Jordan. Robinson was almost bested by Secretariat, who last I checked, was a horse.
What’s wrong with professional sports? Build me a new stadium or I’ll take the pride of your city and move it to where they will.
Interesting how sports were once “sinful” but both parties love athletes and actively recruit them and seems that a few of these “sinners” are of the rad religious right mold. (But not my hero whom I absolutely worshiped growing up in NJ — Bill Bradley)
My friends in Seattle are still reeling from the loss of the Sonics. That was an ugly affair. I think teams need to be municipalized if owners try to move them. Turn our teams into public utilities.
I reread McPhee on Bradley recently. Jane, you should do a regular sports feature!
Less jocks are right wing religious folk than you would think. Once again, this is a product of the media. It’s always safe to interview the athlete who thanks G-d for the winning touchdown. I would love it if Kurt Warner lost tomorrow and said to the world that the Lord must hate him. Or even if he blamed Satan. That would also be different.
Will the best players stay with a municipal team (play on a puyblic course) or go to the country club?
That ESPN poll was a farce. Jordan couldn’t hit a curve ball.
My $.02 on the Athletes of the 20th Century:
Jim Thorpe
Jackie Robinson
Jim Brown
Ted Williams
Babe Ruth
(Each of them excelled in more than one sport or aspect of their sport)
just nutz. where I am now we have Nutjob Rich DeVos (i.e Eric Price’s father-in-law) getting a new arena.
public course (thick fingers)
I read Jane regularly. I think she could write on just about anything. Seriously, we need more of the Jane Hamshers of the world writing about sports! Why should George Will have all the fun (not to mention influence)?
The Packers are owned publicly and they do just fine signing players.
i was one of the few knicks fans who liked Charlie ward but spare me the interviews with him
The Black Water Dome
Jane went to a Capitals-Rangers game.
I’ll go with Jane and Keith Olbermann, Will no longer has credibility.
yes, beerfart, you were one of the few. As a lifelong Knicks fan, Ward’s religious beliefs was the least offensive thing about him.
Great news!
Jane and George Will? There’s a Blogging Heads TV matchup waiting to happen!
A lot of people dislike the New England Patriots but the owner did do something unusual in that he and the Patriot organization paid for most of the construction of Gillette Stadium. The state paid for road and infra-structure improvements around the stadium but that was it.
Terrific choices. Don’t forget Babe Didrikson.
Can we put together a non-profit to buy the Chargers?
You are absolutely correct.
There are other owners choosing to go with private funding because the protest headaches have become too high a price for them to pay. We need ot keep up the pressure and say that we love sports, but that doesn’t mean we want to give a billionaire a 500 million dollar gift for the privilege to watch.
Wresting the team from the Spanos family? That would be a blessed day.
Glenn Davis was also an amazing all-around athlete.
The NFL has exempted the Packers from their rule but the Packers are the only franchise that is not required to have a single owner/general manager. The Packers were “grandfathered” in when the rule was put in place.
LOL. They’re calling it the Rich DeVos Golden Pleasure Dome. Just a mess. Guess what? It’s gonna cost more than they first estimated. Nobody could have foreseen…….
Hi Dave,
I was just doing a blog on a proposed extension of (yes again!) the Patriot Act and ran across this youtube of you on Rachel Maddow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg1iBnuXyzw
If this is you, I’m now a huge fan
The blog will go here
And I’m definitely going to have to check out the book
Can you say Al Davis? Bill Bidwell? Sure you can . . .
That is true. But rules have to be challenged to change.
Television rights pay for a lot of talent. Will Marcy, Jane and Christy live blog the games as a DFH alternative?
Yup! That’s me. Love that Patriot Act. The gift that keeps on taking. For those who don’t know, your friendly neighborhood sports writer was spied upon for opposing the death penalty and planning seditious actions like tabling at the local farmer’s market.
I actually like Al Davis. First owner to hire a woman in the front office. First to hire a latino coach. First to hire a black coach. The problem is that kids in Oakland wake up in the middle of the night screaming and they say, “Al Davis is coming to get me!”
Oh, he also engineered one of the most egregious stadium swindles in history… and feeds on the flesh of the living.
Hi Dave! I haven’t seen you since the Rising Tide conference in New Orleans. I confess to having not read the new book yet.
I loved how you pointed out in Terrordome how the baseball farm team system is actually a destructive force in third world countries like the Dominican Republic. The “sports-industrial complex” run amuck… the sports equivalent of shipping jobs overseas, perhaps? Any new developments in this area?
Glenn Davis was amazing. So was Glen Davis, a first baseman for the Houston Astros.
I’m going with Glenn over Glen.
Yes. And big ups to all the bloggers in NOLA!
The newer news is threats by MLB to pull their baseball academies from Venezuela because Chavez wants to tax them, force them to hire local coaches, and be responsible for a measure of the education of players that enroll but don’t make the league. Whatever you think of Chavez, he is in the moral right on this one.
Don’t forget “personal seat licenses.”
I’ll go with Ricky Davis.
Dave, have you been to the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum here in KC?
To anyone in KC, or who may be visiting in the future, I highly recommend it.
Yeah, MLB has NOT been helped by the news of the numbers of scouts and team personnel that were involved in the kickbacks of signing bonuses and such. “everybody does it” is not a defense. Or at least wasn’t when I was growing up.
PSL’s are a cancer. They also have been part of a process that prices out working class fans from the games. Back in this country’s last economic depression, it was sports (which you could attend for pennies) that did a great deal for the national mood. Now, ticket prices will need to be lowered, or we better get used to games that have less than 1,000 people in attendance.
We buy Citgo gasoline because of Hugo! The only (and my favorite) Latin American “Dictator” to be reelected in spite of the Bush Administration.
I’ve never been but I’ve heard amazing things. Also, the Ali museum in Louisville Kentucky is beyond remarkable. I actually thought I wouldn’t like it, but had just a dizzying experience.
My corner CITGO station has been renamed Liberty Gas. Hmmmm…..
IIRC weren’t PSL’s an invention of Al Davis when he moved the Raiders back to Oakland?
That should help the opposing teams hear their snap counts as it reduces crowd noise.
True enough. There was a baseball game in Florida in August that had 500 people in the house.
Too bad you couldn’t attend the training sessions in Miami Beach at Dundee’s gym.
Another note on stadiums and politics…
Belize has no plans to change the name of the former National Stadium that has been known as the Marion Jones Sports Complex for a while. They love Marion anyway.
True enough. There was a top notch documentary on Ali’s time in Miami Beach. Worth finding.
Good. Marion has suffered more than enough.
It’s definitely worth a trip.
Two years ago, I posted here at FDL on the Sunday before the MLK holiday, and lifted up two recipients of the Presidential Medal of Freedom. One was MLK, of course, and the other was Buck O’Neil. Bush has given the medal to a number of questionable figures, but when he bestowed it on Buck, he got one right.
(Too bad it was posthumously given, though.)
There’s an interesting intersect between the last baseball strike and our labor laws. The owners lost that because the players got a 10(j) injunction which are pretty rare, something I believe would change under EFCA.
Yes.
I say teams should be owned by the cities they play in and not by private interests. How about salaries below a million a year for “playing” in the sun. It’s a job that many would take of given the chance. It’s not a job is it?
As long as sports is run by and for money it has no interest to me whatsoever. END OF STORY. Money/greed ruins most things and something as innocent as sports has succumbed.
The arts in general are a mixed bag here because you have the money people who want the mega bucks, the agents, the galleries, the dealers, the impresarios and some mega “stars” but you also have artists, actors and so forth who do it because they love their craft and are not in it for a buck.
Go play softball on the weekends.
Thanks FDL and DZ! Great post!
HE also gave it to Muhammad Ali, calling him “A man of peace.” That made me physically ill. The only thing Ali and Bush have in common is that they both avoided Vietnam. Of course, Ali risked life and limb while Bush just hung out in Texas… or somewhere.
Think about every time you see a sports jersey knowing that your local public school or fire department or roads dept. gets a few dollars more. Think about sports teams actually giving funds back to the community instead of sucking them out. Think about owners being the fans themselves. It works in Green Bay.
I need to learn more about that. Sports strikes have been far more victorious for labor than any other corner of the labor movement. As former NFL player Dave Meggyesy said to me, “We’re athletes and we just really hate to lose.”
I believe at least in the Japanese Professional Baseball leagues they are honest and the teams carry the names of the corporate owners instead of the cities where the teams are located.
I want to see DZ at Netroots Nation!!
Jeez. This is great. I’m buyin’ this book.
Dave there are other models for funding. I don’t accept those sorts of deals with the devil. It’s a bad compromise.
Shoot hoops at playground.
…well it is honest. I also enjoyed the pageantry of college football’s KFC Extra Crispy/Meineke Bowl.
I’m all for shooting hoops. This is the only culture in world history that has so ruthlessly separated those who get to play sports, and those who are consigned to merely watch. Anytime we play sports for – heaven forfend – fun, we are doing something transgressive.
Thank you Beerfart! (I don’t think I’ve ever written that sentence before.)
Let’s see . . . where did that one fit into the Bowl Championship Series?
The Bowl Championship Series is an evil farce. On this issue, I am with Obama 1000%.
Meineke Car Care Bowl
Any tour plans for 2009?
If some corporation buys the Cubs and tries to rename Wrigley Field in their own image, the fans will likely rise up and torch the company headquarters. (Ironic, in that Wrigley was one of the early corporate naming deals!)
I may weep.
Ugh!! Ack!!! Those names of Bowl Games!!! Nooooooo.
Not yet. Still trying to get my head straight after the last three months. But if ay individual place wanted to bring me down somwhere to speak, I’m always listening. I’ll be in Seattle this weekend, for example at Highline College. Love Seattle, even if it had the worst collective sports season since Brooklyn in 1957.
Well, being from NJ i was happy to see Rutgers win the Papajohns.com Bowl. (I kid you not). For some reason, the people here in FL were not impressed.
Wherever possible (and memory allows) I refuse to use the corporate sponsor bowl name, preferring to call them the Liberty, Rose, Sugar, Citrus, Orange, Cotton, Fiesta, etc Bowls.
Wrigley fans against corporate branding!!!! (too…much….irony)
I’d love to see the NCAA mandate that the television appearance money any school receives gets adjusted by the percentage of student-athletes that graduate from that team. If you graduate 50% of your players, the other 50% of the money from that bowl game or television contract goes into the scholarship programs of the other schools in your conference.
I love all Rutgers teams. It’s a Vivian Stringer thing.
i thought the Tribune Co bought the Cubs. no?
My favorite was the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl Game!
I hope to see your tour schedule fill up. I should mention to others that you are as energetic in person as you are in your writing, it is a worthwhile way to spend some time.
And get a signed book…
Remember “whenever possible.” Many bowls are now just the sponsor names. But I’d like to applaud the NCAA on their courageous stand for Gay Rights, with the Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl. So open minded.
Thank you, RacyMind9! You are my favorite of all the RacyMinds!
I still use the old names. It’s not that I refuse, I just can’t keep them straight. But if I could, I’d refuse. We just had a wonderful Citrus Parade. With great bands from the schools playing in …. The Crapital One Bowl.
I’d rather see a portion of the money go into a trust for athletes to finish their education after finishing their eligibility.
They did buy it years ago — and they didn’t even THINK of renaming the field.
Now they’re trying to sell the team, and it’s all gotten mixed up in the Blago scandal. It’s not getting the same national headlines as Blago trying to sell a Senate seat, but I’m betting that Fitz has a lot more to hang Blago with on his interference with the Tribune Co. than he does on selling Obama’s seat.
Currently I think all the “major/BCS” conferences pool all their bowl money (after ‘expenses’) anyway and then split it with all conference members so that even those schools who don’t make it to a bowl get a piece of the action. Not sure what the exact split percentages are but I do know that only a Notre Dame or Navy as independents get to keep all the cash.
Ah this is the essence of my bewonderment about ’sports’ in America, a bit like ‘democracy’ according to Pelosi.
Great to ’see’ you and the effect you are having on the denizens of the ‘lake’.
;~DW
That’s correct, but nothing to the players. It’s a plantation system, and I want to see more college athletes revisit this as an issue of basic fairness. They generate billions and see nothing except an education that can be snatched away if they get hurt.
Thank you, RacyMind9! You are my favorite of all the RacyMinds!
The other 8 are Cylons.
It is bewildering. The problem lies in not challenging sports to change. It’s an industry that effects our lives whether we are sports fans or not and we ignore it at our collective peril.
Another good idea. Given the graduation rates in football and men’s basketball, there’d probably be enough money taken away to do both.
But think of this: how happy would it make the folks at Ohio State to send a big check to the University of Michigan after being in the BCS? How would the folks at the University of Kansas like having their men’s basketball championship check sliced in two and passed along to Missouri?
Nothing gets the attention of a coach like giving money to your arch-rival.
Damn Cylons.
Yeah. great coach. i was so impressed with her and that team that got thrust into the spotlight for a reason they never wanted. they impressed everyone.
Yes.
So picture the irony if the team that goes to the big bowl game walks away with the smallest check.
I do agree. As much as I love my Kentucky Wildcats and Western Kentucky Hilltoppers, the fact that each scholarship in the “major” sports is year-to-year and can be yanked at the coach’s whim AND that so many of the so-called minor sports wind up having to split scholarships is an outrage.
I wrote about the Imus episode in the book because I find it fascinating that Imus can build a career on this kind of trash, and yet when he spliced his love of racist/sexist humor with sports, it blew up in his face. We WANT sports desperately to be a safe haven from that garbage, even though it isn’t.
Crystal ball time, Dave . . .
Where do you see things going with Title IX? As you wrote in the book, there’s a well organized ad well financed push to end it, despite the barriers women and women’s sports still face.
they bought the Orlando Sentinel too. it went from run-in-the-mill pretty crummy-but-what-do-you-expect small city paper to being absolutely unreadable. Imagine, if you can, USA Today Lite.
That, and the aforementioned ‘cost’ of keeping the ‘team’ happily housed on Billionaire Row.
Living in Pittsburgh, of recent years, the power of the ‘Stillers’, as they are oft referred to here, is amazing.
What the Stillers want, the Stillers … get.
;~D
Should be “well organized AND well financed . . .”
(Preview is my friend . . . )
I want to see a system where anyone can go pro after high school, but if you choose to take a scholarship, you have to stay at the school for three years, and your education is guaranteed in perpetuity.
Never thought of it that way. True.
Title IX will remain because it has had a positive effect on tens of millions of lives. The problem though is that there is much about the law that remains unenforced and underfunded so we can’t be complacent. We should be advocating for a BETTER Title IX that truly guarantees equal access to opportunity for women.
Of course, the sacrosanct football programs are a prime reason that so many schools struggle to comply with Title IX
Crazy that the Steelers play in a town that has lost almost 400,000 residents in the last 25 years, that’s lost the very industry that gives the team its name. Now the team – with its blue collar persona – has become the city more than THE CITY is the city. Does that make sense?
That is correct. Football is like roulette. If your team is good, everyone wins. If you are bad, the cost is so high, it sucks away money faster than Bernie Madoff.
Say more about the “much about the law that remains unenforced and underfunded” please.
It’s about the only Steel left in town.
Rutgers did away with some minor sports entirely (fencing; swimming, diving (I really don’t consider swimming and diving “minor” but apparently they did)to help fund its effort to try to build a “big time” football program.
Sure. While Title IX guarantees equal access to educational (and most famously athletic) opportunity, there are many schools where it just doesn’t happen. Lawsuits and protests are raised and it needs to be actively fought for. If the 20th century teaches us anything, it’s that laws for social justice mean nothing unless there are people on the ground to fight for their enforcement. Otherwise, we are forced to wait for “all deliberate speed.”
Great example.
As we come to the end of this great Book Salon,
Dave, Thank you for stopping by the Lake and spending the afternoon discussing your book and sports.
Jane, Thank you for Hosting this great Book Salon.
Everyone, this is a must-read book, if you haven’t bought it yet, there is a link above.
Thanks all.
Thanks to Bev, Jane, Beerfart, Dakine, Racymind9, and everyone who was a part of this. I had a blast. Feel free to stay in contact at dave@edgeofsports.com. My website is edgeofsports.com if you want to read what I’m writing about in a given week.
In struggle and sports,
Dave Z
When you mentioned THE CITY, the only thing that popped into my head was the old Warriors uniforms. Best sports uniforms ever in my opinion. At a big league level anyway. But I probably shouldn’t start that debate. then again, I don’t think there is much of a debate. Warriors Golden Gate Bridge/cable car uniforms. Best ever. No debate. Case closed.
Dave, thank you for spending the afternoon with us and answering our questions. Two of my “fun” topics (sports and politics) together is always a fun time. :})
OK. I’ve known about the very unequal enforcement stuff, but I thought from your comment that there were some other less-well-known provisions that weren’t even on the radar.
Thanks Dave. We don’t have sports talk too much here and it was a great change. Great job and I’m looking forward to the book. Great one Jane.
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You’ve got that precisely correct, Dave, and given that ‘race’ relations are at about 1950, such ‘community’ as exists in the Pitt’s geograpically separate neighborhoods ( the ‘hills’, ya know) are, essntially, ’sports’ orientated, and largely, the ‘extent’ of ‘mixing’ among those of my vintage.
Which ‘convention’, I totaly ignore … of course.
Thanks for joining us Dave, and please, come back again, some times …
DW