Reports that Governor Paterson is determined to appoint Caroline Kennedy to Senator Clinton’s seat may be a bit exaggerated
Gov. David Paterson hinted Friday that he had changed his mind about whom he would appoint to fill Hillary Clinton’s Senate seat, and that he would wait until after Barack Obama’s inauguration Tuesday to make a decision.
“I’m having new thinking about who I’m going to appoint, and I’m having follow-up conversations with some of the candidates,” Mr. Paterson said.
He did not identify the candidate he had initially expected to pick, though some will undoubtedly assume he meant Caroline Kennedy. She was considered by many to be the frontrunner several weeks ago but is now viewed as far from certain to get the appointment.
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Mr. Paterson said he always expected Ms. Clinton to fly through the confirmation process and become secretary of state as early as Jan. 20, but that it was nonetheless prudent for him to wait to make an appointment because cabinet nominees do occasionally withdraw. He alluded to New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson’s decision to pull out as Commerce secretary nominee.
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The governor had told candidates that he did not want an appointment to in any way overshadow the inauguration of Mr. Obama. But on Thursday rumors flew that he might decide the matter as soon as this weekend, and the governor made comments that stoked them. But today he attempted to downplay that possibility, saying that he appreciated having the time to make the best choice. “Once you make the decision,” Mr. Paterson said, “you are stuck with it.”
Based on the timing, it doesn’t seem as if the governor was basing his decision on Wednesday’s Quinnipiac Poll, which showed that New Yorkers preferred Andrew Cuomo and did not think that Ms. Kennedy was qualified to be Senator, but did think that Governor Paterson was likely to appoint her anyway.
Thursday’s Marist Poll showed more or less the same thing – more New Yorkers wanted Cuomo, and fewer thought that Kennedy would be up to the job. Doesn’t seem like enough to change Paterson’s mind.
Except for that one new question:
In making the pick, Paterson presumably would pick somebody to help his own political prospects in 2010. The Marist poll shows him with an all-time low approval rating at 44 percent — the first time he’s not received support from a majority of New Yorkers.
and if you compare Paterson’s Marist numbers from December to January, in the past month while this mess has been going on he’s lost 12 points among independents, seven points with Republicans, and a whopping 18 points upstate. For a Governor with a very conservative upstate whose base is Democrats in Manhattan, that can’t be good news.
This is, I believe, what they call in politics a "game changer"
Bluntly, neither Kennedy nor Cuomo would be my first choice. Offhand, though, I’d say that whoever is pushing Ms. Kennedy’s bid (there are a few prime suspects) had best make it clear over the weekend that their support is serious enough to make up for, well, ours.
Related posts:
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- Gov. Patrick Names Paul Kirk to Replace Late Kennedy in Senate
- Update on the Albany Senate Putsch
- For Massachusetts, Kennedy: A Way to Shorten the Representation Gap… Maybe
- Will Reid Lose His Senate Seat to Take the Hit on Health Care?





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julia! we can only hope that he surprises us with a great nominee. sure wish he had been stronger about saying there will be no comment on the appointment until after the seat is vacant.
Hey Julia!
CK’s disappearance from the national spotlight recently – I can’t figure if this is an effort to cool her off before appointing her to protect Paterson, or if she is out as a choice and keeping her away from it helps the eventual Senator…
Paterson is a son of as well – his dad was a very influential Manhattan politician, and he’s still influential as a private lawyer in a law firm with other retired politicians.
I don’t think he likes being rolled.
Although I would love to give Gov. Paterson enough credit by concluding that he must have come to the sensible conclusion that she is grossly unqualified, I think it’s pretty clear that this announcement reflects that he sees the writing on the wall. New Yorkers just don’t want her.
It’s the horrendous “budget” he put forward, i’d say — that’s why his numbers have fallen this past month. — http://gothamist.com/2008/12/1…..sugges.php
Cuomo will definitely run against him next time, from what i’ve heard — so unless Bloomberg (and DC) sweeten the deal in some way for Kennedy — and for Paterson (Bloomberg could pledge to totally finance Paterson’s run or something, i guess), i think it’ll be Cuomo — which is much better for us. (I hope so — him or Maloney)
I suspect that he came to that conclusion a while ago, but he’s been being pushed about the harm it would do the state nationally.
I’m guessing that he doesn’t think losing the governor’s mansion to the Republicans would help the state.
I’ve kind of been wondering if the budget wasn’t to some extent playing chicken – NY has an awful lot of electoral votes, as Ford discovered to his dismay when he told us to take a hike.
Either Paterson (a) made his choice a long time ago, (b) he is incredibly indecisive, (c) the seat will go to whoever wins his E-Bay auction, which evidently expires sometime after the inauguration.
I wouldn’t have thought it possible but somehow Paterson has made the process of picking Hillary’s replacement even more annoying to watch than the Blagojevich/Burris debacle.
We’ve still got Coleman’s whining to wade through. This clown will not go quietly.
Don’t forget too, that he was totally unknown upstate, and was totally undistinguished career-wise downstate too.
We voted for and really needed — a Spitzer — a fighter.
And Paterson’s already been shown to be a weakling, and is being ignored, by our State Legislature.
I may have too narrow a view of this mess, but I can’t say one way or the other whether Paterson has any control over the NY political scene when it comes to the amazingly polarizing Hillary situation. Tell me I’m wrong, fine. But he seems adrift in the swirl, and maybe there’s no other place to be.
Julia – in your opinion, is this what we should have expected from NY politics? Could it have been any other way, since there was no rock-solid choice for the seat?
At the risk of appearing to be a complete naif could somebody explain to me why Carolyn Kennedy seems to be crashing & burning as a viable candidate to Hillary’s senate seat. Gotta get out more in the blogosphere but then I live in a tiny little village who only seem to worship and chat about Dirty Harry and Rupert Murdoch. Oh, and Leon Panetta. Its not easy feeling like a naif in such manly circles. ;~D
Saw where Bob Weir and Mickey Hart are doing a Franken fundraiser. Tickets range from $1,000 to $12,300.
I don’t think so, but even if it was, he doesn’t have the clout to play that game with DC at all — he’s not a player nationally, and doesn’t even have great relations w/Schumer, let alone with the administration.
The harm he did to himself with the budget & the trashing it got all over the state — and then this whole game with Clinton’s seat — it all makes him look weaker, i think.
I saw that.
Question for Norm: Can Chuck Norris sing?
OT: Looks like Dubya and Laura will require a short detour on their way to Dallas to ensure that his retirement is SMOOTH sailing.
New York Waxing Spa Inauguration Special: “Say Good Bye To Mr. Bush”
OMG
I’m not sure that’s fair – Paterson has billionaire-with-a-media-empire Bloomberg and his little buddy the guy who ran the Republican convention lined up against him, along with whatever tacit pressure may or may not be coming from DC (and Obama’s said that he’s staying out of it, although it’s an open question whether or not his team is).
Given that Paterson’s political lineage is the Harlem establishment that more or less supported Hillary, although they weren’t particularly supportive of Spitzer’s choice of Paterson as Lt Gov to begin with, he’s got an awfully slippery pole to climb right now.
These things can’t be rushed. He still needs to hold the talent and swimsuit competitions.
i’d say she’s just not at all experienced enough, tough enough, bigmouthed (or fluent) enough, knowledgable enough about the state, or enough of a fighter.
Oh, dear. Not a good mental image.
NPB, I’m not in agreement with most commentary here at FDL and the entire left-blogisphere on Caroline Kennedy. I think she would a fantastic figurehead for all of America at this miserable time in our history. I think people need connections with our government when it was what it should be.
Or at least much closer to it.
oh, bad mental image.
I can’t see a former president settling for anything short of a Brazilian wax. Maybe they can do something about his eyebrows while he’s there.
Her sense of entitlement, her ducking the public and reporters, not talking about the issues, not releasing financial information, her thin résumé, I think that about covers it.
LOL!
(he’s totally getting off on the power, i think — and it’s raised his media profile enormously)
Some Presidents leave office with the proverbial hair shirt. Chimpy leaves looking like he’s wearing mohair pajamas.
Wax that puppy.
Okay. Neither of you can make me look.
I like Caroline, I think she has the potential to grow into the job. I also don’t blame New Yorkers who feel they deserve someone more qualified.
I’m interested (and not being snarky, truly) – what do you feel that she brings to the table?
I have nothing against her as a person, and I find a lot to admire in how she’s lived her life as a private person, but I’m not sure what’s in her CV that would suggest she’d be the right choice for a very public job.
Better spring for the flea dip while he’s at it.
“figurehead” doesn’t cut it for us here (not these days, at least).
we usually demand that our politicians sweat — and produce.
Yeah, I make no judgments about her fitness or political savvy. Point is, whoever was ‘rumored’ to get the nod, this clusterfuck may have been inevitable.
And for the record, I love her, and I like her, and I think I don’t want her anywhere a Senate seat.
Honestly, I think that Bloomberg thinks that this will help him overcome the ill will amongst folks in the five boroughs who aren’t happy about him using his money to override voters on term limits, as well as getting him in solid with Kennedy supporter Rupert Murdoch.
I think, though, it’s hurt Kennedy, as voters in NYS aren’t as easy to roll over as, say, parents in the NYC school system are.
That comforts me dear Loo Hoo & I share your take she would make a figurehead for all of America at this time in our history and promising new Administration, not to mention it would comfort her cherished Uncle Teddy, whom I recall was reported as being cheered if not proud of her interest serving as interim US Senator, Hillary being a tough act to follow.
That’s what’s logical. Totally.
I’m just thinking maybe she’s shy…not wanting publicity. Which reporters are asking her hard questions and what are her answers? I haven’t heard anything lately.
Not saying you are wrong, I’m just curious. I think that maybe Caroline got in way over her head because she’s naive. And has shitty handlers.
I think that’s key tho — he really should have smacked them all down immediately, but didn’t.
He let them make it a circus — and all about her. That was really weak.
CK does not like the people part of the job. Gladhanding and smiling for the hoi polloi is so fucking icky. Even speaking with the proletariat is horrible and disgusting. This makes her a shoo in for the Senate.
I don’t think this failed (if that should be the case) bid will hurt her if she decides at a later date to RUN for elected office. If she is sincere in her desire to hold an office, that is clearly what she should do.
The more chaos surrounding anyone but him, the better he looks standing at a safe distance and dropping pearls of electoral wisdom…
If I were him, I guess that’s what I would crave.
McCain gained the nomination exactly the same way. He receded into the shadows and shifted into ‘coach’ mode, and let the rest punch themselves out.
I think that Caroline Kennedy can serve the country in other ways. But I was surprised by how poorly managed her political debut was. I expected a PR campaign showing her out among voters showing that she was interested and informed about their issues, essentially working up a popular ground swell for her nomination. Instead she only appeared in very controlled circumstances and almost never in public. It made Sarah Palin’s roll out look like really open and freewheeling in comparison.
It’s strange. I think she has things to bring to the table that aren’t tangible right now.
She is the daughter, and only direct blood link, to John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Any country in the world would love to have her in government.
And we throw this in the trash because she hasn’t proved herself.
Agreed, our system is the best. We don’t have to elect Liz Cheney. But Caroline is quite a different story.
Can’t we have some wonderful stories when we grow up? She’ll prove herself.
For certain she has received some really bad advice. I don’t think she is naive but campaigning hones a politicians PR skills and it is evident that hers could use a bit of refinement.
Bloomberg’s not helped at all, i’d say — good!
(i hope Weiner runs against him — i hope anyone does, actually — that whole 3rd term thing was appalling)
I agree. It was almost as if Donna Brasile, Bob Shrum and Shumer were her primary advisers.
Probably, but we’re in an awful lot of trouble financially, and we could use some help.
I’m not sure he isn’t wise to recognize that he can’t count on getting help unless he gets a signed commitment first.
I agree it was poorly managed. Of course, I was hoping Burris wouldn’t be seated either. So my record on these replacement picks is not very good.
It seems like Ted could have set her up with a team of handlers that would have done a much better job but she was probably worried about the public perception if she relied too much on his help. As it turned out, it could hardly have been much worse.
She’s said that if she isn’t appointed, she doesn’t intend to run.
I was kind of hoping that Obama’d appoint her head of the NEA.
The arts don’t have much of a champion politically right now, particularly in this economic environment, and she’s been on the board of multiple arts and humanities foundations for decades. I think it would be perfect.
But think about how she grew up. I have the same worries for the Obama girls. How normal can life be?
I think she meant specifically that she wouldn’t wage a primary challenge against whoever is appointed. If she was ruling out running for anything ever, it would suggest that she isn’t really interested in serving in such a capacity and that she did this on a whim.
but he’s kind of distanced himself from her lately, since Sheekey’s shock and awe strategy didn’t work.
Hell, Sheekey’s since announced that he’s leaving.
I think it was an attempt that failed.
We never get enough $$ from DC tho — as a rule.
(and Obama’s acting like Schumer — only working for, and giving to, Wall St & Big Corps.)
I can’t speak to what she meant, but what she said was that if she wasn’t appointed she wasn’t going to run.
Leaving everything else aside, I just don’t get the feeling she really wants what this would involve.
Yes, I didn’t understand it. One of the things that the Kennedys seemed to know how to do really well was provide an attractive public persona. The private person might be very different but they never skimped on the importance of the public image. Caroline Kennedy never seemed interested in that. Maybe that shows character but it also gave the public nothing to hold on with her.
It does seem Teddy’s handlers would have helped out…which makes me think she just decided this in the last minute.
Well, the system is sort of built on coastal states contributing more than their share to – um – recently Republican states.
For the most part, the Kennedys have done a pretty decent job of raising kids who dedicate themselves (to some extent) to public service. The Obama daughters are too young to tell but I think their parents are doing a good job. Bill and Hillary were a pretty messed up couple but Chelsea seems to have turned out okay. It’s not easy being a good parent, high profile or otherwise but it can be done.
That sounds like a good idea. In the big downturn we are experiencing the arts are likely to be especially hard hit so a high visibility spokesperson for them, like Kennedy, would help them a lot.
I heard she really wanted UN, and they sold her on this idea afterwards (don’t know if it’s true tho)
yeah — it stinks.
I think Paterson’s thinking about himself — he knows he wouldn’t have even been the nominee for Governor — let alone elected.
I wouldn’t mind an ambassador post for myself. Are Italy or Spain taken?
Agreed! I was semi-expecting that Chelsea would be nominated.
France, Italy, Sweden, Ireland, and Greece for me, please. I wouldn’t say no to Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand, or India either.
You’re over qualified :)
She’s 28. The age requirement for the Senate is 30 and for the House 25.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec9
I’d love one too, but i didn’t donate or bundle 500k.
Did you?
I’ll take Monaco.
Thanks, I only missed two on my civics test. Certainly too high a score for elected office.
Nah, and goodness knows I won’t get far on just my looks.
That would work.
Oh dear!
But imagine being the last Kennedy…
I’ll trade you any place you want for Monaco. I just have to see that F1 race.
What will it take?
What??? Huffpo had a story…if not headline…that Caroline would run either way.
You can have a villa while you’re there for the race. Ambassadors have to be so generous, and it’s so tiring….
True enough. Chelsea turned out wonderfully!
Sneak in there with France.
Gee, thanks
Thanks.
Perhaps you didn’t see the Research2000 polling from just a couple of days ago? Kennedy was leading in all the head-to-heads with Repubs, and it also showed that any “random Democrat” would beat any of the rumored Repub candidates.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..125749/332
So it seems that the fear-mongering by some in the Liberal blogs about Kennedy not winning against a Repub could be unfounded. Plus, this is all a rather silly exercise since any polling would change dramatically once the appointed had time in office anyway, and if early polling mattered, Ned Lamont would’ve threw in the towel when he was down 40% just a few months before his primary with Traitor Joe. Ned kicked J. Low’s hadAssah in the primary.
Caroline would be a fantastic Senator.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..609/684843
Coleman is the clown?
Nah. She announced back in December.
Well, time to move to New York and vote, then. :D