Comments on: Early Morning Swim

By: acquarius74

acquarius74 — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:42:37 +0000

I sent my e-mail to Siun. Thanks so much, selise.

By: reader

reader — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:37:03 +0000

Krugman’s piece in the NYT is brilliant: a call to arms I’d say. We must not let Obama make the choice some people want him to think he has. There is no choice. And the people are coming. The people are coming for the truth.

By: acquarius74

acquarius74 — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:50:15 +0000

Thanks, selise, for siun’s address. I’m communicating with bluebutterfly over at Jim White’s oxdown article on the Gaza assault. bb has found so much more on the subject that I. I’ve asked that bb send siun an e-mail on the subject. (white phosphorous and DIME (dense inert metal explosive) being used on people of Gaza.) Info and links at Jim White’s article.

By: selise

selise — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:50:29 +0000

must run too, but just wanted to let you know if you didn’t already, that you can email siun:

http://firedoglake.com/aboutus/

By: acquarius74

acquarius74 — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:48:00 +0000

“learning to read and learning to learn are the keys”

BIG STATEMENT THERE, SELISE. I know so many who use reading as purely a materialistic tool. (how do I get mine?).

I see your richest, most productive days yet ahead for you, e-Cahn, Ian, Jim White, Southern Dragon, hopefully Norske and katymine…. can’t name you all….

Just know that there’s one out here cheering you on, even if I no longer physically exist. (I’m planning to live to 110, though).

I’ve got to try to find siun - there’s a subject that needs her.

By: DWBartoo

DWBartoo — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:39:03 +0000

No ‘end’, just the process of finding or seeking ‘direction’.

Remember we are dealing with a mindset which is almost totally incapable of perceiveing ‘consequence’, in essence, we are still playing with our toes …

Beyond the ‘institutions’ of society we must deal with myth, religion, and other conceits by which we may regard others as sufficiently ‘different’ or possibly, at some point, posing a ‘threat’ and too many are willing to let the bigger kids, many of whom are bullies, tell them what to think and do.

I mean heck!, America can’t even deal honestly with sex or death and bnoth have been around for a while …

Gotta go for a while, catch you all later.

;~D

By: selise

selise — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:30:32 +0000

not sure there is an “end” - only a direction. and the means, as the path we are on, play a role maybe even the biggest role in determining the direction.

or so it seems to me today….

By: selise

selise — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:28:22 +0000

I’m from the Stepford wife generation and bought the ‘marriage on cloud 9′ propaganda

i was taught something similar to this, but it didn’t stick… and i had the benefit of some education (even if not very well rounded to put it mildly). learning to read and learning to learn are imo the keys. (still wish i had several lifetimes to learn all the stuff i missed, languages especially.)

but we are very lucky here at fdl to have so many wonderful teachers.

By: DWBartoo

DWBartoo — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:21:27 +0000

For our purposes, as human beings, just as the Sun is, fortuitously at just the right distance away, we must understand that ‘means’ and ‘ends’ are part of the same stick.

There are simply too many stones being flung around because people are encouraged to ‘believe’ that that is the way it has to be.

T’ain’t so.

By: selise

selise — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:17:12 +0000

we are prepared AND willing to KILL other human beings in the pursuit of ‘winning’ these ‘games’

this is the biggest assumption i’d like to challenge.

otherwise, i have not answer… am just barely starting to recognize the outlines of some questions.

Which is not to suggest that our ‘present’ is not of primary importance to those of us who share it, merely that we rather desperately NEED to determine how to get from ‘here’ to ‘there’. There being a better, more humane, and fundamentally honest society. Society being simply how individual people treat other people …

question one: are the means and the ends really so distinct?