Comments on: Does Obama Want One Law for Scooter and “Illegals?” Oh Noes! http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:55:09 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1794186 selise Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:23:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1794186 <blockquote><p>he isn’t being a hypocrite here I think, he really believes it.</p></blockquote> <p>i so want to think so too. the second youtube i ever made was one of whitehouse - inspired by a post of marcy’s. and i used to record his statements to listen to occasionally for inspiration (as i did for gore’s 2002-2006 speeches). but i just don’t know how to reconcile what i want to think of him with the telco stuff….</p> <p>hmmm… giving it some more thought now, because i don’t think you are one to be easily fooled by a politician just because they talk nice and have a D by their name…. there two ways i can think of for me to understand/reconcile this:</p> <p>1) one problem i have is that i can’t come up with any plausible scenario for the telcos that could justify their actions if the truth was known instead of being hidden via classification. at least not for for long - i mean, it would be different if right after 911 the telcos went into panic mode, but it seems to be much more, years more, than that. </p> <p>however, maybe i just lack the imagination to conceive of scenarios where even i think the telcos should get off? are there any such fictional scenarios that have been described? i’d happily reconsider if there are.</p> <p>2) when whitehouse was a prosecutor, did he show the same willingness to consider the circumstances of the crime if the criminal was one of the poor unwashed masses? if he has a history of doing this for everyone, and not just powerful rich corporations, then i’d probably like him even more than i did before his telco immunity votes in committee.</p> <p>oh well…. i’m a cynic. but probably only because i’m a disappointed romantic.</p>

he isn’t being a hypocrite here I think, he really believes it.

i so want to think so too. the second youtube i ever made was one of whitehouse – inspired by a post of marcy’s. and i used to record his statements to listen to occasionally for inspiration (as i did for gore’s 2002-2006 speeches). but i just don’t know how to reconcile what i want to think of him with the telco stuff….

hmmm… giving it some more thought now, because i don’t think you are one to be easily fooled by a politician just because they talk nice and have a D by their name…. there two ways i can think of for me to understand/reconcile this:

1) one problem i have is that i can’t come up with any plausible scenario for the telcos that could justify their actions if the truth was known instead of being hidden via classification. at least not for for long – i mean, it would be different if right after 911 the telcos went into panic mode, but it seems to be much more, years more, than that.

however, maybe i just lack the imagination to conceive of scenarios where even i think the telcos should get off? are there any such fictional scenarios that have been described? i’d happily reconsider if there are.

2) when whitehouse was a prosecutor, did he show the same willingness to consider the circumstances of the crime if the criminal was one of the poor unwashed masses? if he has a history of doing this for everyone, and not just powerful rich corporations, then i’d probably like him even more than i did before his telco immunity votes in committee.

oh well…. i’m a cynic. but probably only because i’m a disappointed romantic.

]]> By: Jane Hamsher http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1794150 Jane Hamsher Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:49:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1794150 <p>Yeah I understand that but I think Whitehouse truly did drink the kool-aid over telecom immunity — he really does think that the telecos can’t defend themselves because the information they would need to do so is classified.</p> <p>It’s crap but he isn’t being a hypocrite here I think, he really believes it.</p> Yeah I understand that but I think Whitehouse truly did drink the kool-aid over telecom immunity — he really does think that the telecos can’t defend themselves because the information they would need to do so is classified.

It’s crap but he isn’t being a hypocrite here I think, he really believes it.

]]> By: Coop http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1794001 Coop Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:55:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1794001 <p>Hey, -26 here in Montpelier, VT. Still, we’re the one state shrub hasn’t defiled with his presence during the past eight years, so it’s kind of comforting that way.</p> Hey, -26 here in Montpelier, VT. Still, we’re the one state shrub hasn’t defiled with his presence during the past eight years, so it’s kind of comforting that way.

]]> By: DBaker http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793999 DBaker Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:48:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793999 <p>I am amazed at the amount of “Pardon Scooter” editorials that I have seen all across the right wing newspaper network. Such as:</p> <p>- <a href="http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/columns/QuinHillyer/Quin-Essential_Cases_Libby_should_be_pardoned_on_the_merits_011309.html" rel="nofollow">The DC Examiner</a> Of course this guy has been clamoring for <a href="http://spectator.org/archives/2007/06/28/the-pardon-of-scooter-libby" rel="nofollow">this since 2007</a>.<br /> - <a href="http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2009/01/15/libby-pardon-bush-oped-cx_df_0115furchtgottroth.html" rel="nofollow">Forbes</a><br /> - Michael Barone in <a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/12/23/george-bush-should-pardon-scooter-libby/comments/" rel="nofollow">US News & World Report</a><br /> - <a href="http://www.caller.com/news/2008/dec/27/scooter-libby-marion-jones-also-deserve-a-bush/" rel="nofollow">The Corpus Christi Times</a> (at least they’re consistent and want Marion Jones pardoned too)<br /> - Syndicated Columnist and noted right winger Thomas Sowell in <a href="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090111/OPINION03/901110304" rel="nofollow">the Detroit News</a></p> <p>It appears none of them have actually read the actual court transcript, available with handy dandy <a href="http://www.amazon.com/United-States-v-Lewis-Libby/dp/1402752598/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232124336&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">commentary in your neighborhood bookstore</a>.</p> I am amazed at the amount of “Pardon Scooter” editorials that I have seen all across the right wing newspaper network. Such as:

- The DC Examiner Of course this guy has been clamoring for this since 2007.
- Forbes
– Michael Barone in US News & World Report
- The Corpus Christi Times (at least they’re consistent and want Marion Jones pardoned too)
- Syndicated Columnist and noted right winger Thomas Sowell in the Detroit News

It appears none of them have actually read the actual court transcript, available with handy dandy commentary in your neighborhood bookstore.

]]> By: bigbrother http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793998 bigbrother Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:43:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793998 <p>You were very patient with the caller that went on and on from Illinois who desribed herself as a Repulican centrist who had voted Dem at times. The thoughts going through your mind…I think you have :Interview Judgement” and know the limitations and scope. You will probably get a lot of invites. Any chances for your own show?</p> You were very patient with the caller that went on and on from Illinois who desribed herself as a Repulican centrist who had voted Dem at times. The thoughts going through your mind…I think you have :Interview Judgement” and know the limitations and scope. You will probably get a lot of invites. Any chances for your own show?

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793997 ThingsComeUndone Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:39:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793997 <blockquote><p>what else I would like to know too.</p></blockquote> <p>Hmmm we must get him on the Lake now that Bush is out. We must get Congress to hold hearings! KO and Rachel need him to look at the Bush presidency.</p>

what else I would like to know too.

Hmmm we must get him on the Lake now that Bush is out. We must get Congress to hold hearings! KO and Rachel need him to look at the Bush presidency.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793996 ThingsComeUndone Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:35:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793996 <p>True looking back at Modo its hard to credit her outrage over Monica and believe that as old and single as she is that she has never been the other woman?<br /> Or has never had a friend do so, well a friend that didn’t get smeared in the Times.</p> True looking back at Modo its hard to credit her outrage over Monica and believe that as old and single as she is that she has never been the other woman?
Or has never had a friend do so, well a friend that didn’t get smeared in the Times.

]]> By: Jane Hamsher http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793995 Jane Hamsher Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:34:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793995 <p>Hmmm… probably just wouldn’t answer. I honestly thought he was very friendly before and after the interview.</p> Hmmm… probably just wouldn’t answer. I honestly thought he was very friendly before and after the interview.

]]> By: Jane Hamsher http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793993 Jane Hamsher Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:32:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793993 <p>I liked him. Didn’t pick up any hostility in person.</p> I liked him. Didn’t pick up any hostility in person.

]]> By: JoeBuddha http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793992 JoeBuddha Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:31:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/does-obama-want-one-law-for-scooter-and-illegals-oh-noes/#comment-1793992 <p><em>Perhaps Bill Clinton started it when he parsed the meaning of “is”</em></p> <p>Actually, I believe it really started when the rethugs decided to punish a Democrat who had the temerity to take an office vouchsafed by God to the Republicans, by means fair or foul. His parsing of “is” gets the press, but their faux outrage and disgust about Clinton having the sheer gall to do what each and everyone of them were doing as well is the real story, IMHO.</p> Perhaps Bill Clinton started it when he parsed the meaning of “is”

Actually, I believe it really started when the rethugs decided to punish a Democrat who had the temerity to take an office vouchsafed by God to the Republicans, by means fair or foul. His parsing of “is” gets the press, but their faux outrage and disgust about Clinton having the sheer gall to do what each and everyone of them were doing as well is the real story, IMHO.

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