Adjusting to an Obama Presidency is going to be harder for some than others.
Here’s Sheldon Whitehouse from the Eric Holder confirmation hearing:
There has been some discussion about the prosecution of false statements to Congress, in addition to the recent OIG report about false statements by Department of Justice officials to Congress. I have referred a matter involving the EPA Administrator to the Department of Justice regarding false statements made to the Environment and Public Works Committee. I think that frankly it’s been something of a recurring problem. And in addition to asking you to review the District of Columbia US Attorney’s office determination, I would ask you if you would consider working with us on what might be appropriate prosecution guidelines for such offenses and what might be appropriate notice or training to people who come before us about about the obligation that they take on when they testify. Because I think people tend to forget that are here under oath and I think I’ve heard stuff that’s everything from simply slipshod to outright cold blooded lies.
The "9/11 changed everything" crowd seem to be possessed of no firmer belief than that lying became acceptable in the aftermath for government officials when confronted by inquiry they deemed inappropriate. Daniel Henninger in the Wall Street Journal comes to the defense of that great public servant Scooter Libby, and implores Bush to do the right thing and pardon him, or the "best people" aren’t gong to want to serve in Washington DC.
Henninger’s idea of "the best people" is obviously radical extremists who determined that the country needed to engage in nation building at any cost, or "create opportunities for democratic self-determination in a region such as the Middle East" in Henninger-speak. He has vigorously lied in the past to excuse George Bush, claiming that the Robb-Silbermann Report exonerated him on the charge that he lied about WMDs (it didn’t). He has also claimed that public disclosure Bush’s warrantless surveillance program made it ineffective (it didn’t). And the current financial meltdown? A direct result of the War On Christmas — rich robber barons and unregulated hedge funds had nothing to do with it.
He obviously has a rich fantasy life where the powerful should not be subject to the burdensome limitations of telling the truth, and writes an appropriately-titled column called "Wonder Land."
Let the subject of "illegals" come up, however, and it’s all self-righteous harumphing:
"Respect for the law" is part of the American bedrock. As Alexis de Tocqueville rightly said, each voter indirectly contributes to the making of our laws, and "however irksome an enactment may be, the citizen of the United States complies with it . . . because it originates in his own authority." That is the high-road argument against the illegal Mexicans.
Another 19th-century Frenchman close to the hearts of American conservatives is Frederic Bastiat, who had a further thought: "The surest way to have the laws respected is to make them respectable." Is our immigration law "respectable"? Need you ask?
The idea that there is one law for elites and another for the dirty masses has become so reflexive among the chattering class that calling for enforcement at the highest levels is dismissed as "vindictive," and sweeping the Bush Administration’s mountain of criminal acts under the carpet is deemed high minded, forward-looking and pragmatic.
Whitehouse’s statement and Holder’s affirmative response seemed such a simple and obvious exchange that it’s hard to imagine they even needed to utter these things aloud. But what they are proposing is a fundamental overhaul of the way government has operated since the "9/11 changed everything" rules went into effect. It’s a radical proposal for restoring the rule of law in a government gone rogue, and I imagine the ethically challenged punditocracy who stood on the sidelines cheering for the past eight years is going to have a rough time adjusting to the notion of one law that applies to everyone.



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Any warmer in here? -24 in Minny.
When Martha Stewart gets prison time for making a false statement to an FBI agent it really would be a profound statement to say let bygones be bygones to these criminals. Great job on C-span Jane
97 hrs & 51 min
I will be in Phoenix later today and it should be in the 70’s.
Morning Jane, great job on CSpan this morning. My wager on the timing of the Libby is Sat @ 8:50 pm (just before Bush’s bedtime).
Apparently spector (sic) is gonna continue the high level of @ ssholeness he was exhibiting yesterday in today’s hearing. Apparently all the other thugs got it out of their systems and didn’t find it necessary to appear today to spew their spin.
Here is hoping there is more than just talk about everyone being equal under the law. I have had just about enough of the “separate but equal” enforcement of the law.
Daniel you are full of –it. This is code for, we what the best willing to break the law…
Not issuing a pardon, WOULD bring the best to Washington.
Jane -
Superb job this morning! On an earlier thread Crosstimbers and I had differing reactions to Peter’s attitude toward you; s/he thinks he was hostile but I didn’t get that impression at all. Since you were there *g*, what was your take?
Training people not to lie when they take an oath to tell the truth. Heh. Some “Christian” nation we have here.
I guess Freeh really believes it is helpful to say Holder was “co-opted” to assist in a “corrupt” pardon.
Heck, she can’t answer that except to say that he was gracious and fair. You’ll have to pass a note on paper, or something, to get a true answer. :>)
Hey, Specter! What about Dick Cheney?
Dick Cheney’s Halliburton, through various shell companies and sometimes openly under its own name, has never stopped doing business with Iran, despite an Executive Order from Bill Clinton in the 1990s. So where’s the outrage there, hmmm?
For more background:
http://www.democracynow.org/20…..n_dealings
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..5Feb2.html
http://www.halliburtonwatch.or…../iran.html
http://svnlsenetter.wordpress……ingsleire/
Oh, and by the way, Marc Rich never sold nuclear goodies to the Iranian — but Dick Cheney’s people sure have:
http://www.juancole.com/2008/0…..-iran.html
Per WSJ, in essence:
I can see how this would be a matter of concern for people who consider perjurers to be the “best people.” But, IIRC, the WSJ had no such qualms, when Ken Starr was attempting to prosecute Bill Clinton for perjury.
The Best and The Breakiest
Or perhaps Henninger is looking for the Beast People…?
Patricians must lie to reassure the simple minded Plebes Straussian philosopher kings must act unencumbered by morals.
Nietzsche was wrong the Neocon/Bushian Superman does not create his own morals based on his own rules for his own reasons.
Nope the Bushian Superman has no morals.
Did Leopold and Loeb teach Strauss?
I think the best people are people who don’t need to be told that you don’t lie under oath.
We are a good way down the slippery slope. That we debate what “torture” means, says a lot and it’s all bad. Just as it’s bad when people who tortured or lied will get away with it as we look forward to our Brave New World. Perhaps Bill Clinton started it when he parsed the meaning of “is”. It doesn’t look like the center will hold. That, of course, remains to be seen which is why so many sit on their hands. We need alternatives. Maybe there aren’t any. Maybe this, too, shall pass.
Forgive and Forget?
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 15, 2009
Iran contra not punished…Iraq WMD brought an illegal war…lying to congress and justice…Leaders and their friends ABOVE THE LAW .
Paul Krugman says no, Obama needs to investigate crimes if he is going to uphold the constitution. Accountability or crime which is the American way Barack?
The Col Ollie North wing of the rethug party has grown exponentially since the Raygun era. It is time to put this garbage behind us and that can only happen with the awarding of serious jail time for all the perps.
97 hrs & 20 min
whitehouse was behind telco immunity all the way down the line.
how can it not look like vindictiveness and hypocrisy if whitehouse should decide to pursue some selective elements of bushco now?
that said, i’d love to see it – even if done by hypocrites. but i don’t fool myself that whitehouse is all about one law for the business elite and the dirty masses.
Great job this morning, Jane! My husband had not seen/heard you before and he was all “you have to listen to this blonde woman – she’s great, really smart” and then I saw it was you and smiled….and said “I know, I’ve been ‘listening’ to her for years now”
Jane can your interview be linked or posted for those who want to see it?
Good morning and another important post.
There’s insufferable ‘precedent’ for lying (or ‘censorship’, as the liars understand it) in war time, and the problem is how we define – and fail to define – war time. And since forgetfulness outlasts memory, you go to war with the liars you have, not the liars you want.
My bold define best people? From the WallStreet Journals point of view the stockmarket Bush will bring ring in the end of his term with a DOW lower than Clinton.
Meaning on average it would have been better to sell when Bush came in and get 3% bank CD’s and roll them over than invest in the Bush market.
Just what if anything pray tell has Bush done right?
Woot! Yay, Jane!
Rule 1: 9/11 *did not* change everything
Rule 2: All the rules still apply to everyone
If 9/11 changed everything, then al Quaida won.
Game Set Match
Really? I’m thinking after the Sunday gasbags finish. Monday and Tuesday will be all O all the time, so less coverage of pardons.
Also, the radical nature of BushCo bears repetition for so long as it takes to sink in.
These are NOT conservative policies – they are radical.
Their idea of ‘best people’ isn’t the same as ours. They want nice, compliant types, who will do what they’re told and not ask embarrassing questions.
four days one hour
It’s at Oxdown
How can yo be the best if you don’t get anything right?
Divine Right of Kings, its in the blood. Legacy admissions at Harvard let unqualified people in cash, fame, political pressure whatever gets them in and gets them Gentleman’s C’s.
Then without any real world life experience (Bush was always bought out of his failing businesses) you are now prepared to rule.
Gentlemen’s C’s and Legacy admission’s should be banned by Obama we can not afford another Legacy admission as President.
Besides having the WallStreet Journal, Bush and the GOP arguing for legacy admissions is just the kind of political fight I want to have.
Sure thing – here ya go:
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3059
He has vigorously lied in the past to excuse George Bush, claiming that the Robb-Silbermann Report exonerated him on the charge that he lied about WMDs (it didn’t). He has also claimed that public disclosure Bush’s warrantless surveillance program made it ineffective (it didn’t). And the current financial meltdown? A direct result of the War On Christmas — rich robber barons and unregulated hedge funds had nothing to do with it.
At somepoint a talking head should just give up and say I’m not a reporter or pundit I’m a propagadaist. If 40% or more of your facts are wrong, your predictions are wrong in one year I think you should be called a propagandist FOREVER.
And no juicing the stats by writing human interest or gossip pieces to bring up the average.
Thank You… hope she keeps getting heard on MSM. Like Jane would have more latitude to explain on Rachel or Keith.
America land of the brave Ruled by neocon chicken hawks, home of the brave draft dodging President, with liberty to be spied on or tortured without getting your day in court, and justice for just us (not the illegals)
Richard Clarke could do some serious damage to George Bush in testify his intent to attack Iraq on false premise.
Tell me more is he scheduled to testify, wants to testify, Congress wants him to testify?
Is Bush trying to stop him from testifying or is his flunkies dismissing the testimony?
Since the Congress regularly lies to the American people it should not be a crime to lie to Congress.
It is in his book “Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror” …
worth a read if you have not. He describes what happened in the BushCo whitehouse at 9/11 and after. A 30 year intelligence officer ought to have a clue right. And yes he layed out what his publisher allowed…what else I would like to know too.
Perhaps Bill Clinton started it when he parsed the meaning of “is”
Actually, I believe it really started when the rethugs decided to punish a Democrat who had the temerity to take an office vouchsafed by God to the Republicans, by means fair or foul. His parsing of “is” gets the press, but their faux outrage and disgust about Clinton having the sheer gall to do what each and everyone of them were doing as well is the real story, IMHO.
I liked him. Didn’t pick up any hostility in person.
Hmmm… probably just wouldn’t answer. I honestly thought he was very friendly before and after the interview.
True looking back at Modo its hard to credit her outrage over Monica and believe that as old and single as she is that she has never been the other woman?
Or has never had a friend do so, well a friend that didn’t get smeared in the Times.
Hmmm we must get him on the Lake now that Bush is out. We must get Congress to hold hearings! KO and Rachel need him to look at the Bush presidency.
You were very patient with the caller that went on and on from Illinois who desribed herself as a Repulican centrist who had voted Dem at times. The thoughts going through your mind…I think you have :Interview Judgement” and know the limitations and scope. You will probably get a lot of invites. Any chances for your own show?
I am amazed at the amount of “Pardon Scooter” editorials that I have seen all across the right wing newspaper network. Such as:
- The DC Examiner Of course this guy has been clamoring for this since 2007.
- Forbes
– Michael Barone in US News & World Report
- The Corpus Christi Times (at least they’re consistent and want Marion Jones pardoned too)
- Syndicated Columnist and noted right winger Thomas Sowell in the Detroit News
It appears none of them have actually read the actual court transcript, available with handy dandy commentary in your neighborhood bookstore.
Hey, -26 here in Montpelier, VT. Still, we’re the one state shrub hasn’t defiled with his presence during the past eight years, so it’s kind of comforting that way.
Yeah I understand that but I think Whitehouse truly did drink the kool-aid over telecom immunity — he really does think that the telecos can’t defend themselves because the information they would need to do so is classified.
It’s crap but he isn’t being a hypocrite here I think, he really believes it.
i so want to think so too. the second youtube i ever made was one of whitehouse – inspired by a post of marcy’s. and i used to record his statements to listen to occasionally for inspiration (as i did for gore’s 2002-2006 speeches). but i just don’t know how to reconcile what i want to think of him with the telco stuff….
hmmm… giving it some more thought now, because i don’t think you are one to be easily fooled by a politician just because they talk nice and have a D by their name…. there two ways i can think of for me to understand/reconcile this:
1) one problem i have is that i can’t come up with any plausible scenario for the telcos that could justify their actions if the truth was known instead of being hidden via classification. at least not for for long – i mean, it would be different if right after 911 the telcos went into panic mode, but it seems to be much more, years more, than that.
however, maybe i just lack the imagination to conceive of scenarios where even i think the telcos should get off? are there any such fictional scenarios that have been described? i’d happily reconsider if there are.
2) when whitehouse was a prosecutor, did he show the same willingness to consider the circumstances of the crime if the criminal was one of the poor unwashed masses? if he has a history of doing this for everyone, and not just powerful rich corporations, then i’d probably like him even more than i did before his telco immunity votes in committee.
oh well…. i’m a cynic. but probably only because i’m a disappointed romantic.