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	<title>Comments on: Question for Holder: Do You Believe the Government Should Stop the Appeal in the Jawad Case?</title>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i don’t think it’s the same thing at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the thing about deciding not sleep is that one can sleep when one feels the need (vs the want). forced deprivation is about preventing it when it is absolutely needed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don’t think it’s the same thing at all.</p>
<p>the thing about deciding not sleep is that one can sleep when one feels the need (vs the want). forced deprivation is about preventing it when it is absolutely needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The same comparison can be made wrt food. I know people who’ve fasted for days and been in great spirits while suffering no adverse affects, because they chose fast as an act of Love. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, people who are forcefully denied food for many days fall sick and even die.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is torture and when done to children, is particularly heinous.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same comparison can be made wrt food. I know people who’ve fasted for days and been in great spirits while suffering no adverse affects, because they chose fast as an act of Love. </p>
<p>However, people who are forcefully denied food for many days fall sick and even die.</p>
<p>This is torture and when done to children, is particularly heinous.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thank you for that hugh.  i’ve pulled many all-nighters by choice (and even a few doubles and once went for 7 days w breaks for sleep no longer than 2.5hrs at a time) and been tired to the point of collapse, but that was just being tired which is &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;nothing, absolutely nothing &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; - either qualitatively or quantitatively - like being deprived of sleep involuntarily which i’ve only experienced a little bit with insomnia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;imo saying sleep deprivation isn’t torture is equivalent to saying waterboarding isn’t torture.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for that hugh.  i’ve pulled many all-nighters by choice (and even a few doubles and once went for 7 days w breaks for sleep no longer than 2.5hrs at a time) and been tired to the point of collapse, but that was just being tired which is <strong><em>nothing, absolutely nothing </em></strong> &#8211; either qualitatively or quantitatively &#8211; like being deprived of sleep involuntarily which i’ve only experienced a little bit with insomnia.</p>
<p>imo saying sleep deprivation isn’t torture is equivalent to saying waterboarding isn’t torture.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;One of the possible side effects of a continued lack of sleep is death. Usually this is the result of the fact that the immune system is weakened without sleep. The number of white blood cells within the body decreases, as does the activity of the remaining white blood cells. The body also decreases the amount of growth hormone produced (8). The ability of the body to metabolize sugar declines, turning sugar into fat. One study stated that people who sleep less than four hours per night are three times more likely to die within the next six years (11). Although the longest a human has remained awake was eleven days rats that are continually deprived of sleep die within two to five weeks, generally due to their severely weakened immune system &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1690&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1690&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One of the possible side effects of a continued lack of sleep is death. Usually this is the result of the fact that the immune system is weakened without sleep. The number of white blood cells within the body decreases, as does the activity of the remaining white blood cells. The body also decreases the amount of growth hormone produced (8). The ability of the body to metabolize sugar declines, turning sugar into fat. One study stated that people who sleep less than four hours per night are three times more likely to die within the next six years (11). Although the longest a human has remained awake was eleven days rats that are continually deprived of sleep die within two to five weeks, generally due to their severely weakened immune system </p>
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<p><a href="http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1690" rel="nofollow">http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1690</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brisingamen2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brisingamen2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;rwcole This is from the Torture is Unamerican website, and I quote:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sleep Deprivation&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Causes a host of negative psychological effects, the most prominent is cognitive impairment. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sleep-deprived individuals take longer to respond to stimuli and sleep loss causes attention deficits, decreases short-term memory, speech impairments, perseveration and inflexible thinking.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;These symptoms may appear after one night of total sleep deprivation, after only a few nights of sleep restriction (5 hours of sleep per night). &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sleep restrictions can result in hypertension and other cardiovascular disease. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To learn more about the effects of psychological torture, read Break Them Down:  Systematic use of Psychological Torture by U.S. Forces by Physicians for Human Rights. &lt;em&gt;Emphasis mine&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So waking the person every three hours to move them to a different cell would cause harm, physiological as well as psychological. &lt;strong&gt;And they did this to a child.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sleep dep was a favored tactic of the KGB…so that’s the level we’ve sunk to at Bush’s command…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Brisingamen&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rwcole This is from the Torture is Unamerican website, and I quote:</p>
<p><strong>Sleep Deprivation</strong> </p>
<p>Causes a host of negative psychological effects, the most prominent is cognitive impairment. </p>
<p>Sleep-deprived individuals take longer to respond to stimuli and sleep loss causes attention deficits, decreases short-term memory, speech impairments, perseveration and inflexible thinking.  </p>
<p><em>These symptoms may appear after one night of total sleep deprivation, after only a few nights of sleep restriction (5 hours of sleep per night). </em></p>
<p>Sleep restrictions can result in hypertension and other cardiovascular disease. </p>
<p>To learn more about the effects of psychological torture, read Break Them Down:  Systematic use of Psychological Torture by U.S. Forces by Physicians for Human Rights. <em>Emphasis mine</em></p>
<p>So waking the person every three hours to move them to a different cell would cause harm, physiological as well as psychological. <strong>And they did this to a child.</strong></p>
<p>Sleep dep was a favored tactic of the KGB…so that’s the level we’ve sunk to at Bush’s command…</p>
<p>Brisingamen</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fom wiki:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sleep deprivation is used as an interrogation technique (for example, in Pinochet-era Chile[citation needed], the Soviet Union[citation needed], or by the US on Guantanamo-held prisoners[28]).[29] Interrogation victims are kept awake for several days; when they are finally allowed to fall asleep, they are suddenly awakened and questioned. Menachem Begin, the Israeli prime minister from 1977-83 described his experience of sleep deprivation when a prisoner of the KGB in Russia as follows:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the head of the interrogated prisoner, a haze begins to form. His spirit is wearied to death, his legs are unsteady, and he has one sole desire: to sleep…Anyone who has experienced this desire knows that not even hunger and thirst are comparable with it.[citation needed]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In 2006, Australian Federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock argued that sleep deprivation does not constitute torture. [30] In rats, prolonged, complete sleep deprivation increases both food intake and energy expenditure, leading to weight loss and, ultimately, death.[31] Nicole Bieske, a spokeswoman for Amnesty International Australia, has stated, “At the very least, sleep deprivation is cruel, inhumane and degrading. If used for prolonged periods of time it is torture.”[29]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Torture&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....on#Torture&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In a series of studies done back in the 1980s, rats were kept awake indefinitely. After just five days, they started dying. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/14/60minutes/main3939721.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....9721.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All though it varies by age and individual, we have a series of sleep cycles during the course of a night where we enter various levels of REM and non-REM sleep.  When these are disrupted, there are both physiological and psychological sequelae.  Memory and attention degrades.  Stress levels increase.  Do this long enough and you can induce psychosis and death.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fom wiki:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sleep deprivation is used as an interrogation technique (for example, in Pinochet-era Chile[citation needed], the Soviet Union[citation needed], or by the US on Guantanamo-held prisoners[28]).[29] Interrogation victims are kept awake for several days; when they are finally allowed to fall asleep, they are suddenly awakened and questioned. Menachem Begin, the Israeli prime minister from 1977-83 described his experience of sleep deprivation when a prisoner of the KGB in Russia as follows:</p>
<p>In the head of the interrogated prisoner, a haze begins to form. His spirit is wearied to death, his legs are unsteady, and he has one sole desire: to sleep…Anyone who has experienced this desire knows that not even hunger and thirst are comparable with it.[citation needed]</p>
<p>In 2006, Australian Federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock argued that sleep deprivation does not constitute torture. [30] In rats, prolonged, complete sleep deprivation increases both food intake and energy expenditure, leading to weight loss and, ultimately, death.[31] Nicole Bieske, a spokeswoman for Amnesty International Australia, has stated, “At the very least, sleep deprivation is cruel, inhumane and degrading. If used for prolonged periods of time it is torture.”[29]</p>
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<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Torture" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&#8230;..on#Torture</a></p>
<blockquote><p>In a series of studies done back in the 1980s, rats were kept awake indefinitely. After just five days, they started dying. </p>
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<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/14/60minutes/main3939721.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories&#8230;..9721.shtml</a></p>
<p>All though it varies by age and individual, we have a series of sleep cycles during the course of a night where we enter various levels of REM and non-REM sleep.  When these are disrupted, there are both physiological and psychological sequelae.  Memory and attention degrades.  Stress levels increase.  Do this long enough and you can induce psychosis and death.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sure moving people eight times a day is no poblem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I was a university student (long ago) there were days when eight ‘moves’ were common.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only time it was unpleasant in the extreme was when I’d not had any sleep for a while (those were the daze, remember?) and was trying to ‘catch’ a short (and respectful) nap during each class.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gotta admit, there were times when being rudely awakened, time after time, was a bit like torture though …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, rw, the above story is fiction, but prolonged sleep deprivation, not ‘moves’ per se, is what can cause severe ‘complications’, even, it is alledged by those who might know, the permanent ‘complication’ generally known and universally experienced as … ‘death’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How long can a human being’s health hold up to sleep deprivation?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How long could any of us function, or even ’survive’ without genuine, restful sleep?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The real propblem is that we have chosen to view others as being less than human.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure moving people eight times a day is no poblem.</p>
<p>When I was a university student (long ago) there were days when eight ‘moves’ were common.</p>
<p>The only time it was unpleasant in the extreme was when I’d not had any sleep for a while (those were the daze, remember?) and was trying to ‘catch’ a short (and respectful) nap during each class.  </p>
<p>Gotta admit, there were times when being rudely awakened, time after time, was a bit like torture though …</p>
<p>Actually, rw, the above story is fiction, but prolonged sleep deprivation, not ‘moves’ per se, is what can cause severe ‘complications’, even, it is alledged by those who might know, the permanent ‘complication’ generally known and universally experienced as … ‘death’.</p>
<p>How long can a human being’s health hold up to sleep deprivation?</p>
<p>How long could any of us function, or even ’survive’ without genuine, restful sleep?</p>
<p>The real propblem is that we have chosen to view others as being less than human.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rwcole,&lt;br /&gt;
The did this to a CHILD&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I cannot believe that you condone child abuse.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rwcole,<br />
The did this to a CHILD</p>
<p>I cannot believe that you condone child abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: GregB</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry for jumping on your butt. It is one part of a brutal regime. If you isolate it, it sounds like what the torture apologists used to describe water boarding—-a little water on the face.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When put in context it is Naziesque abuse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-G&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for jumping on your butt. It is one part of a brutal regime. If you isolate it, it sounds like what the torture apologists used to describe water boarding—-a little water on the face.</p>
<p>When put in context it is Naziesque abuse.</p>
<p>-G</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Holder said he is likely to respect telecom immunity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holder said he is likely to respect telecom immunity.</p>
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