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	<title>Comments on: Maddow, Herbert, New Site Urge US to Get Afghanistan Right</title>
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		<title>By: jenmarie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/maddow-herbert-new-site-urge-us-to-get-afghanistan-right/#comment-1792644</link>
		<dc:creator>jenmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He’s a uniter!! WooHoo!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/maddow-herbert-new-site-urge-us-to-get-afghanistan-right/#comment-1792626</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kerry would know lots about the drug trade there and who might be profiting from it. He did an amazing report on drugs, Contra, etc. back in 1988..90 page PDF. Anybody at all interested in how the drug trade gained strength in the US would find this report interesting. Kerry would be aware of the real reason the US invaded Afghanistan. His reference to Vietnam is telling; he fought in a war that he realized was wrong, just like Afghanistan. He knows that an invaded country will fight to expel the invaders. There is no ‘win’ to be had by NATO forces. Clinton never did answer his question. Discrete goals…what the heck is that supposed to mean?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB113/north06.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/N.....orth06.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Oliver North file from the National Security Archive. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB113/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/N...../index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry would know lots about the drug trade there and who might be profiting from it. He did an amazing report on drugs, Contra, etc. back in 1988..90 page PDF. Anybody at all interested in how the drug trade gained strength in the US would find this report interesting. Kerry would be aware of the real reason the US invaded Afghanistan. His reference to Vietnam is telling; he fought in a war that he realized was wrong, just like Afghanistan. He knows that an invaded country will fight to expel the invaders. There is no ‘win’ to be had by NATO forces. Clinton never did answer his question. Discrete goals…what the heck is that supposed to mean?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB113/north06.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/N&#8230;..orth06.pdf</a></p>
<p>The Oliver North file from the National Security Archive. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB113/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/N&#8230;../index.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Big ones! With hair!&lt;br /&gt;
Now say “sorry” and then you can post with the other children. But not too rough.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big ones! With hair!<br />
Now say “sorry” and then you can post with the other children. But not too rough.</p>
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		<title>By: Redshift</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redshift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely, that was my point. More speaking up, lots of pressure, but without the hyperbole of “he’s acting just like the Bush!” or “it’s just like Vietnam!” We were outraged at Bush because the things he did were outrageous; cranking up outrage at Obama just makes people who are inclined to give the benefit of a doubt defensive, instead of enlisting their support.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, that was my point. More speaking up, lots of pressure, but without the hyperbole of “he’s acting just like the Bush!” or “it’s just like Vietnam!” We were outraged at Bush because the things he did were outrageous; cranking up outrage at Obama just makes people who are inclined to give the benefit of a doubt defensive, instead of enlisting their support.</p>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is a solution for Afghanistan..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Locally owned and operated, village-based poppy control models would have beneficial ‘ink blot’ effects on security and economic development in the regions around the villages, and thus complement the international community’s mission in Afghanistan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Poppy for Medicine model adaptable to local conditions&lt;br /&gt;
This village-based Poppy for Medicine model is grounded in proven, local control systems which were documented in extensive sociological and criminological field research undertaken throughout 2005 and 2006. The model can be easily adapted to the specific circumstances of different regions of Afghanistan, where poppy licensing is most needed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An Afghan-owned solution to the Global Pain Crisis&lt;br /&gt;
Given the increasing global demand for essential poppy-based pain medicines such as morphine, Afghanistan is ideally positioned to address the substantial gap in the international market for these medicines.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Exported under special trade frameworks from Afghan villages and used within the region and globally, Afghan morphine would help address the global demand for essential pain medicines, which, according to the International Narcotics Control Board whose mandate is to ensure an adequate supply of morphine for medical and scientific purposes, 80 percent of the world’s population, including Afghanistan, face an acute shortage of essential morphine medicines.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By facilitating the production and promotion of an Afghan humanitarian brand of morphine, the international community can vividly demonstrate that post-conflict states such as Afghanistan have the potential to diversify their economies and become international trade partners. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poppyformedicine.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.poppyformedicine.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a solution for Afghanistan..</p>
<p>Locally owned and operated, village-based poppy control models would have beneficial ‘ink blot’ effects on security and economic development in the regions around the villages, and thus complement the international community’s mission in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Poppy for Medicine model adaptable to local conditions<br />
This village-based Poppy for Medicine model is grounded in proven, local control systems which were documented in extensive sociological and criminological field research undertaken throughout 2005 and 2006. The model can be easily adapted to the specific circumstances of different regions of Afghanistan, where poppy licensing is most needed.</p>
<p>An Afghan-owned solution to the Global Pain Crisis<br />
Given the increasing global demand for essential poppy-based pain medicines such as morphine, Afghanistan is ideally positioned to address the substantial gap in the international market for these medicines.</p>
<p>Exported under special trade frameworks from Afghan villages and used within the region and globally, Afghan morphine would help address the global demand for essential pain medicines, which, according to the International Narcotics Control Board whose mandate is to ensure an adequate supply of morphine for medical and scientific purposes, 80 percent of the world’s population, including Afghanistan, face an acute shortage of essential morphine medicines.</p>
<p>By facilitating the production and promotion of an Afghan humanitarian brand of morphine, the international community can vividly demonstrate that post-conflict states such as Afghanistan have the potential to diversify their economies and become international trade partners. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.poppyformedicine.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.poppyformedicine.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/maddow-herbert-new-site-urge-us-to-get-afghanistan-right/#comment-1792558</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But Obama has illustrated just this week on the $3000 “job creation” tax cut, by abandoning it, that he is responsive to pressure.  Not that everything on the outrage meter should be at 11, but by showing that he hears and adjusts, he’s given all of us permission to carp, criticize, recommend alternatives, and holler, don’t you think?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was never among those who thought he was perfect, I’m not complaining that he’s not perfect now.  But if he’s responsive to complaints, don’t we owe it to him and ourselves to make very clear when we think he’s on the wrong path?  Finally, we have a president who will listen!  Hadn’t we better speak up?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Obama has illustrated just this week on the $3000 “job creation” tax cut, by abandoning it, that he is responsive to pressure.  Not that everything on the outrage meter should be at 11, but by showing that he hears and adjusts, he’s given all of us permission to carp, criticize, recommend alternatives, and holler, don’t you think?</p>
<p>I was never among those who thought he was perfect, I’m not complaining that he’s not perfect now.  But if he’s responsive to complaints, don’t we owe it to him and ourselves to make very clear when we think he’s on the wrong path?  Finally, we have a president who will listen!  Hadn’t we better speak up?</p>
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		<title>By: Redshift</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redshift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, I’m not on edge and worn out. I’m still pretty excited about the many areas of government where things are going to be a lot better than they’ve been for the past eight years. I’m just unhappy that I’m not feeling the sense of community that I used to here (not blaming anyone, things change, but I still miss it) and I’m frustrated, feeling like “the perfect is the enemy of the good” has become the default mode much of the time here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is an essential role for us to advocate and pressure our government to do what we see as the right thing, now that the party that is more on our side is in power and we’ve gotten a lot of good people elected, and I am fully on board with that. But that doesn’t mean that any time we don’t succeed, we’ve been sold out. We’ve had so many outrages over the past eight years that I’m afraid we’ve become accustomed to reacting only with outrage. With a government that is not deeply corrupt, there may be times when our answer turns out not to be right, when our elected officials are making a decision based on more information than we have, not because they’re ignoring us. Beyond that, compromises are sometimes necessary, and well, you win some and you lose some, because there are competing forces. That’s government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The thing I find most puzzling are the people who during the campaign declared “you’re deluded if you think that Obama is going to be the perfect president and solve all your problems!” and are now saying “Look! Obama isn’t the perfect president, solving all your problems!” Um, guys? We never believed that; you’re arguing against your own straw man.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I’m not on edge and worn out. I’m still pretty excited about the many areas of government where things are going to be a lot better than they’ve been for the past eight years. I’m just unhappy that I’m not feeling the sense of community that I used to here (not blaming anyone, things change, but I still miss it) and I’m frustrated, feeling like “the perfect is the enemy of the good” has become the default mode much of the time here.</p>
<p>There is an essential role for us to advocate and pressure our government to do what we see as the right thing, now that the party that is more on our side is in power and we’ve gotten a lot of good people elected, and I am fully on board with that. But that doesn’t mean that any time we don’t succeed, we’ve been sold out. We’ve had so many outrages over the past eight years that I’m afraid we’ve become accustomed to reacting only with outrage. With a government that is not deeply corrupt, there may be times when our answer turns out not to be right, when our elected officials are making a decision based on more information than we have, not because they’re ignoring us. Beyond that, compromises are sometimes necessary, and well, you win some and you lose some, because there are competing forces. That’s government.</p>
<p>The thing I find most puzzling are the people who during the campaign declared “you’re deluded if you think that Obama is going to be the perfect president and solve all your problems!” and are now saying “Look! Obama isn’t the perfect president, solving all your problems!” Um, guys? We never believed that; you’re arguing against your own straw man.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;guess I’ll go out and eat some worms&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guess I’ll go out and eat some worms</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/maddow-herbert-new-site-urge-us-to-get-afghanistan-right/#comment-1792544</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;back atcha, luv&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back atcha, luv</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;smootch to you&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smootch to you</p>
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