Comments on: Scarborough Singing Torture’s Praises Again http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:50:23 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: crackmonkeys4hire http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790790 crackmonkeys4hire Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:04:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790790 <p>Is waterboarding torture? There is no harm caused, it’s a psychological game (yes uncomfortable and very scary if you don’t know what to expect).<br /> Does it give you meaningful information? So far all the “experts” have said yes. There are lots of people who chime in with opinions but the guys performing the procedure say it works and no one is harmed. Compared to getting shot or ones head cut off I think waterboarding is probably quite preferable. In fact given the option of “Barney” music 24×7 for weeks at a time I’d opt for the waterboarding. Of course once you know they aren’t going to kill you it becomes much easier to take it. </p> <p>I’ve seen people participate in worse activities in San Francisco in the name of fun….</p> Is waterboarding torture? There is no harm caused, it’s a psychological game (yes uncomfortable and very scary if you don’t know what to expect).
Does it give you meaningful information? So far all the “experts” have said yes. There are lots of people who chime in with opinions but the guys performing the procedure say it works and no one is harmed. Compared to getting shot or ones head cut off I think waterboarding is probably quite preferable. In fact given the option of “Barney” music 24×7 for weeks at a time I’d opt for the waterboarding. Of course once you know they aren’t going to kill you it becomes much easier to take it.

I’ve seen people participate in worse activities in San Francisco in the name of fun….

]]> By: Neil http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790716 Neil Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:03:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790716 <blockquote><p> “<em>You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it’s almost embarrassing to listen to you.</em>”<br /> - Z. Brezinski</p> <p>I think Zbiegnew Brezinski’s comment about Joe Scarborough deserves another airing. lol</p></blockquote> <p>Here you go: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mhgzNgGEAw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mhgzNgGEAw</a></p>

“You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it’s almost embarrassing to listen to you.”
- Z. Brezinski

I think Zbiegnew Brezinski’s comment about Joe Scarborough deserves another airing. lol

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mhgzNgGEAw

]]> By: pmorlan http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790703 pmorlan Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:52:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790703 <p>“You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it’s almost embarrassing to listen to you.” - Z. Brezinski</p> <p>I think Zbiegnew Brezinski’s comment about Joe Scarborough deserves another airing. lol</p> “You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it’s almost embarrassing to listen to you.” – Z. Brezinski

I think Zbiegnew Brezinski’s comment about Joe Scarborough deserves another airing. lol

]]> By: Neil http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790668 Neil Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:26:23 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790668 <p><strong>See the whole “Morning Joe” segment here</strong>:</p> <blockquote><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoZxkjHImk0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoZxkjHImk0</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArlRu03raL8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArlRu03raL8</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBBzXNFUfJI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBBzXNFUfJI</a></p></blockquote> <p>Mika and Chrystia think the US should take a look at out interrogation policies. </p> <p>Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan argue that it was justified, effective and that we shouldn’t examine the decision because we would be doing so from our current perspective of (apparent) safety and security.</p> See the whole “Morning Joe” segment here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoZxkjHImk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArlRu03raL8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBBzXNFUfJI

Mika and Chrystia think the US should take a look at out interrogation policies.

Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan argue that it was justified, effective and that we shouldn’t examine the decision because we would be doing so from our current perspective of (apparent) safety and security.

]]> By: hawkseye36 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790553 hawkseye36 Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:58:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790553 <p>Thanks for this post. I watched this part of Morning Joke, and was revolted at Joe’s bullying of Krista Friedland (sp?). </p> <p><em>“Why Scarborough (or anyone) wants to wade out into the middle of the torture debate armed only with misinformation from George “16 words” Bush at this point is a mystery”</em></p> <p>Because he is sure he knows everything, and no one calls him on it because they don’t want to go through what Krista did.</p> <p>By now he should be an embarrassment to MSNBC.</p> Thanks for this post. I watched this part of Morning Joke, and was revolted at Joe’s bullying of Krista Friedland (sp?).

“Why Scarborough (or anyone) wants to wade out into the middle of the torture debate armed only with misinformation from George “16 words” Bush at this point is a mystery”

Because he is sure he knows everything, and no one calls him on it because they don’t want to go through what Krista did.

By now he should be an embarrassment to MSNBC.

]]> By: Mary http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790453 Mary Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:01:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790453 <p>Scott Horton, explaining how our forefathers, historically, dealt with an Executive who tolerated and ordered torture of detainees.</p> <p><a href="http://harpers.org/archive/2009/01/hbc-90004174" rel="nofollow">http://harpers.org/archive/2009/01/hbc-90004174</a></p> <p>The crimes described by witnesses, that, in the course of his war-making had authorized or indulged the torture of prisoners taken captive by his forces:</p> <p>“two witnesses … testified that the executive had stood by and looked on approvingly as prisoners were beaten”</p> <p>“a further witness said that he saw the executive, mounted on his horse in Fowey in Cornwall, gazing from his horse as prisoners were stripped naked and mistreated”</p> <p>“A fourth witness was called … he said, the executive commanded his troops as they took surrender of the fort by agreement, and in the executive’s presence, his troops fell upon the surrendered prisoners, stripped them naked and proceeded to beat, cut, and mistreat them, in violation of the laws of nations. An officer ordered them to stop, but the executive, sitting ‘on horseback in bright armour’ ordered them to continue with their beatings, saying ‘I do not care if they cut them three times more, for they are mine enemies.’”</p> <p>The punishment? </p> <p>“How does one punish an executive for violation of the laws of nations by authorizing the torture of prisoners? The verdict was that he be taken to a place of execution, where his head was to be severed from his body by an axe.”</p> <p>Maybe we should just go ahead with the presumption that Bush was king - there are precedents for what happens when a king orders torture.</p> Scott Horton, explaining how our forefathers, historically, dealt with an Executive who tolerated and ordered torture of detainees.

http://harpers.org/archive/2009/01/hbc-90004174

The crimes described by witnesses, that, in the course of his war-making had authorized or indulged the torture of prisoners taken captive by his forces:

“two witnesses … testified that the executive had stood by and looked on approvingly as prisoners were beaten”

“a further witness said that he saw the executive, mounted on his horse in Fowey in Cornwall, gazing from his horse as prisoners were stripped naked and mistreated”

“A fourth witness was called … he said, the executive commanded his troops as they took surrender of the fort by agreement, and in the executive’s presence, his troops fell upon the surrendered prisoners, stripped them naked and proceeded to beat, cut, and mistreat them, in violation of the laws of nations. An officer ordered them to stop, but the executive, sitting ‘on horseback in bright armour’ ordered them to continue with their beatings, saying ‘I do not care if they cut them three times more, for they are mine enemies.’”

The punishment?

“How does one punish an executive for violation of the laws of nations by authorizing the torture of prisoners? The verdict was that he be taken to a place of execution, where his head was to be severed from his body by an axe.”

Maybe we should just go ahead with the presumption that Bush was king – there are precedents for what happens when a king orders torture.

]]> By: Hugh http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790412 Hugh Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:33:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790412 <p>Unfortunately, nothing at all.</p> Unfortunately, nothing at all.

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790409 rwcole Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:31:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790409 <p>Yeah- nothin new there eh?</p> Yeah- nothin new there eh?

]]> By: foothillsmike http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790408 foothillsmike Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:30:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790408 <p>Would forcing the detainees to watch Joe Scar be a violation of the Geneva convention?<br /> 186 hrs & 30 min</p> Would forcing the detainees to watch Joe Scar be a violation of the Geneva convention?
186 hrs & 30 min

]]> By: Hugh http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790407 Hugh Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:30:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/scarborough-singing-tortures-praises-again/#comment-1790407 <p>If Burris is seated then the Senate will have caved again and the people of Illinois will be saddled with a hack chosen by a corrupt governor. It is those people that are the real losers in this. This is more change we can believe in?</p> If Burris is seated then the Senate will have caved again and the people of Illinois will be saddled with a hack chosen by a corrupt governor. It is those people that are the real losers in this. This is more change we can believe in?

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