Obama has asked critics of his stimulus bill to make suggestions about how to improve it. At FDL we're going to do a number of posts on this topic, starting with health care. (Future posts will include transportation and telecom, at the least.)
The US doesn't have enough healthcare capacity. If you were to give everyone healthcare right now the system could not handle it. Universal healthcare is something Obama has said he wants to move towards, it is also a priority for Congress. A fair bit of money can be put into circulation relatively fast through healthcare stimulus spending. Obama has started down this road with spending on universal health records. Here's what else can be done with (very rough) estimates of costs:
1) The VA is underfunded and under pressure with the large numbers of disabled from Afghanistan and Iraq. Toss them 50 billion to upgrade facilities, add new nurses and aides, add out-patient and inpatient programs for Vets coming back disabled, and so on.
2) Close the Medicare part D "doughnut hole", the point at which patients have to pay the full cost of their own medicine. Cost? About 45 billion. Negotiate volume based discounts for drugs and pass that savings on to patients (this will actually save money) and allow Medicare to engage in real negotiation with drug companies.
3) Start up a medical scholarship program. It costs about $140,000 in tuition to get through school. Add in 30K for living expense, add a job-work program where medical students work at VA hospitals and inner city hospitals and so on, and hiring of new faculty, etc... Assume final cost of $200,000 per new doctor before the residency. Cost is about 3 billion for tuition and living support, which is peanuts. In exchange for having full tuition paid, plus living expenses, new doctors will work for 8 years at an approved hospital or clinic - the sort of rural or inner city locations that tend to have trouble getting new doctors. The government spends about 110 billion a year on residents right now, an extra 15K doctors a year would increase that by 82.5 billion/year. New schools will probably need to be built (there isn't enough capacity right now for all these new doctors), let's spend 20 billion a year on that. So to begin with you spend the money on doctors up to capacity, the rest of the money on setting up new medical schools. Total Cost is about 105 billion/year.
4) Do the same thing for nurses. Nurses cost less to train, with tuition clocking in at 85k for a split between two and 4 year nurses. Add in living expenses, and clock it in 115k/nurse for tuition and living support. They don't need residencies, but they do need new schools. You need more nurses than doctors (about 4 times as many), so call increasing the size of nursing schools at 80 billion. Same deal as doctors, in exchange for tuition plus living costs they have to work in one of an approved list of places for a number of years (probably less years than required of doctors, since they cost less to train.) Total cost clocks in at about 87 billion dollars.
5) Long Term Home Health Care. Move towards taking care of as many old folks who need help in their own homes. One of those open ended sorts of things, but 20 billion should show some results.
6) Opt-out for universal health records. Say what? Well, here's the thing, universal health care records will mean that every illness you've ever had, every condition, will be listed. Until insurance companies are forbidden from excluding clients or increasing their premiums for pre-existing conditions, universal health records will hurt a ton of poeple. Cost: 10 billion. Of course, if Obama wants to offer the next possibility:
7) Anyone can buy into the Congressional health care plan, no health exam. Sure, it'll be ludicrously expensive, since all the sick people will be forced onto it, but as a stop gap until full universal health care is announced it at least gives them somewhere to go. And since the idea is to spend lots of money fast, well, this will do that. Cost: ? 50 billion and up, up, up.
8) Fully funded substance abuse programs. Might even save money by diverting addicts from prison, but clock it in at 10 billion.
There we go, 377 billion dollars. It isn't all "shovel ready", but most of it can be spent quickly enough, there's bottomless demand, and it helps to fix a real problem the US has, while preparing America for a transition to universal health care.
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I LOVE these ideas. Time to counter the “slash entitlement programs” rhetoric with these cost-saving ways to trim the fat.
We need tons of regional free clinics for your garden variety ailments. Nurse practitioners should be trained, used, and paid well to do the work that the local doctors used to do before HMO’s and such. It should include home visits.
Catastrophic illness care for those who cannot afford private insurance should be made immediately available without waiting lists. Specialists could donate time and service in exchange for tax write offs or something like that.
My friend’s sister, in Norway, was given a hip replacement two years ago…she has not recovered well at all…she is suffering from extreme constant excruciating pain resulting from something like phlebitis..not to mention the risk of a loose clot as a result…all stemming from the original surgery. Now, it looks like she may lose her leg entirely. She is suffering terribly. The waiting list for her to be treated is six months long, and then after you are seen you have months before you are sufficiently treated between visits. We don’t need that kind of national health insurance. We need a good combination, guaranteeing all to be seen and treated and utilizing the skills of nurse practitioners and the skills of surgeons, etc., with good incentives for them to give prompt care.
I have no idea what the costs would be. It should, however, be a good combination of public and private but with good services all around.
My 2 cents.
Might as well add dental.
more than this, we need surge capacity. healthcare does not lend itself to just-in-time efficiency. we need to be able to handle a really bad flu season, natural disasters, etc. and that takes surge capacity.
YES.
Love your memo, Ian. Especially love increasing the doc/nurse training capacity.
good ideas.
Point #4 concerning nurses is correct. There is a real shortage of nurses.
There are number of causes for this serious problem. A big one is a shortage of faculty and facilities.
Investing in faculty and facilities would be stimulative and help in the providing quality care as our population ages.
more: galbraith has suggested decreasing the age for medicare coverage down to 55. says that there are people who would like to retire now but can’t because of the lack of health insurance. if they are able to retire we can have fewer people looking for a job with the same employment level.
Ah, good to know. I didn’t realize capacity was that short. So you have to really break out the shovels and build/open new colleges.
Well there’s an idea that Cass Sunstein and the Republicans will applaud. /s
Is she Norweigan or American? I was just talking with a gal from Norway (in Panama) and she had nothing but wonderful things to say about their health system. Granted, she seemed to be in her 30’s and btw of Indian descent, but born in Norway.
Good idea.
Nurses and Nurse Practitioners should be able to prescribe drugs.
There is also that type of program via computer where nurses, nurse practioners, and doctors (non-specialists) can log on and get all of the latest treatment information, as well as instant diagostic information, on whatever is happening with a patient. It should be mandatory and expanded all over the country — especially in rural areas.
Nurses and Nurse Practitioners can handle:
Flu
Colds
Arthritis
Broken bones
Stitching
Emergency evaluation
Low level impact wounds
Minor surgical procedures
Basic Gyn care.
etc., etc.
Efficient helicopter and ambulance transportation to larger centers (trauma and specialty) when needed must be made available everywhere.
If nurses were paid decently, the colleges would build themselves.
Did you guys see this really interesting article in today’s NYT? R&D needs a healthy dose of money as well.
She’s Norwegian, living in Bergen. My friend, who lives here and is now American, cannot say enough about how awful a situation it is. It is a tragedy. The sister in Norway is 72. It is just awful!!
My parents were Norwegian, but worked for the government. When my father was very seriously ill, he got care immediately and as frequently as needed…something is very wrong with the picture.
while we’re at it - pay, working conditions, etc are not good for many workers in long term care facilities.
That doesn’t seem to be correct. The pay isn’t great, but not all that bad.
ouch!
Dya think.
Not to mention how good paying jobs would help the economy.
By “rolling” UHC into the VA’s Medical and Hospital Systemic, America’s low-income, seniors, military vets, would go out behind the barn and ‘negotiate’ an expanded political agenda that actually addresses our insurmountable problems. This hefty political weight would put the AMA, the insurance industry, and other special interest groups on the shelf for quite some time. Additionally, our Elected and Appointed Officials will become challenged to come up with a myriad and variety of solutions that could be utilized for implementation other areas of our economy.
Jaango
I think we should also take a long hard look at Washington state’s experiment with mandatory authorizing of payments for acupuncture, naturopath, and other legitimate treatments — as long as they embrace the scientific method at least to a level endorsed by the AMA.
cousin of a friend in norway has good things to say about their system too. guess we need to find something more than our n=1 or 2 experiences of friends.
Sounds like what we need in near term is seed money for a “Health Care Professional Expansion Planning Commission” to draw up plans for new training facilities/requirements, begin the feasibility/siting/cost studies and report back to the “New Economic Foundation Oversight Authority” for funding.
This is a case where I’d like to see the median, not the mean. It’s possible that a few good nurses push the “average” up but the typical nurse is not that well off. Don’t know that for a fact, but would like to see the data.
I’m Norwegian too, and I know for a fact, from many sources, that the populace is NOT satisfied with care for serious ailments. Treatment for routine ailments is not so bad, it is the specialty care that screws up the system.
If Insurance companies are about to become a thing of the past (except for the rich), why not cap their profits now and send any and all excess funds (tax) to the build out? At the same time preparing many in the industry for new positions.
I’m with you on closing that damned ‘donut hole’ in Medicare Part D. It causes so many of my patients to avoid getting their much needed medications for heart conditions/COPD/etc constantly until the turn over. Because a good half of them never reach the end of the donut hole before january 1st of the next year after hitting it sometime around may of the previous year.
Biggest scam ever. Thanks for nothing, Big Pharma. -_-x
I like that idea. Assuming Ian is right that we don’t have enough facilities/professionals to provide universal health care, do [know whether] we have enough just to expand Medicaid eligibility, because that seems like something that could be done very quickly.
I will just add that they are all grateful that their system has a system in the first place…as opposed to the U.S., where it is survive or not.
National Healthcare Yes we are organizing we can insure everyone for less than the cost to insure just some like Europe and Japan do.
Imagine just how competitive our cars would be if union auto costs were reduced to what the Japanese auto workers pay for healthcare in higher taxes PLUS THEY INSURE EVERYBODY! and THEY LIVE LONGER AND HAVE LOWER INFANT MORTALITY RATES!
Have you checked lately? My information is that they really are paid quite well. Maybe not rich, but well
I think what Ian’s doing here is laying the foundation for a system that does not necessarily require the same role for insurance companies as they have today . . . but without saying, “we’re planning to wipe you out.” I believe in creating the conditions for that change, before you declare war.
OT God Bush is lying again on tv I look forward to reading history 10 years later just so I can get a list of all his lies.
Plus the lies he keeps saying after we know he is lying.
I’m all for universal medicare. I’d be glad for the start up headaches if it would get coverage for EVERYONE across the board. Young and old, disabled or not. It’s amazing how much money you save and keep when you’re in decent health and can afford your medications. But the For Profit Insurance companies just yanked up their copays after new years, and of course the premiums have accordingly skyrocketed too.
I’ve seen a copay for Depakote go from 30$ to 100$, and another medication entirely get yanked from 24$ to 75$. It’s freakin’ highway robbery! Brand name or not, nearly all copays are going UP, and the sky’s the limit.
The median for nurses in big cities seems to be in the neighborhood of $60,000. But that includes all level of experience, which mean the starting salary might be as low as $40,000. That doesn’t seem like a lot for a college graduate with terrific responsibility.
FWIW, I recall hearing that nursing education’s even more constrained than med ed…
Conceptually, nursing/doc ed gets incredibly expensive in the clincal phase. Why? As they go through clinical training during/after med school, they require more sophisticated supervision as their clinical responsibilties and powers grow.
With med care running at 100% capacity (or more), providing senior docs to oversee residents means taking faculty away from activities (research/ patient care) that pay institutional overhead, as well as clinician salaries. Although Medicare - the hospital part (Part A?) - offers some economic support for teaching (aks Medicare “pass through” support for med ed), the other plans don’t. Under Reagan, other forms of Fed funding were gutted….
I’m Norwegian too
Absolutely. Nutrition becomes a serious problem if you can’t eat or chew due to pain from decayed or missing teeth, to say nothing of the fact that untreated dental and periodontal disease can lead to systemic infections. Also, younger folks who’ve not had dental care and have rotted/missing teeth find it harder to find jobs.
I know you are! I meant in the sense of growing up over there type of Norwegian.
OH
Ian I am really really Glad that FireDogLake is on this issue now there is strength in focusing on just a few issues it concentrates our efforts.
Can we get a few other big blogs to join us? There is also strength in numbers.
I am not asking to focus on this only.
Not to suggest “more Norwegian”…just that the experience of their system directly and via friends and family, paints a picture of a good system in general..but that the serious services, like MRIs just for instance, are really hard to come by in time to deal with a lot of their problems…you could be dead before they figure out what is wrong with you. I’d like to see that part of a system over here developed in a much more efficient way. Just sayin’. No offense to anyone.
We need to understand that the AMA has fought for years to limit the number of medical schools. It has been their desire to keep their membership very much needed and if I remember correctly they fought against nurse practioners ability to take responsibility. I wonder how many of them are opposed to unions. HMMMMMMM
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About Doctors and Nurses, how about signing on to work in rural areas of the country like the plot of Northern Exposure. When I worked in small very rural hospitals they were disparate for both. This includes Indian Reservations where they are not funded by gambling (Navajo Nation)
In the 70’s I worked at Elko NV County Hospital as the “other” RN on the evening shift for a 60 bed facility. People drove to Salt Lake to obtain specialty referrals and procedures.
not in the least
We can smear the GOP’s efforts to stop us as not providing healthcare for the troops and their families.
How many reservists gave up good paying jobs to go to Iraq? How many have family members brothers, sisters etc who have medical problems they can’t afford?
How many reservists would have been able to help their family members with their medical costs if they had not gone to Iraq?
A vote against National Health Care is a vote against the troops families!
How can we expect to have troops for the next war if the reservists have to worry about how a long deployment will hurt their families?
Solders worried about sick people back home are distracted being distracted can make you dead in a battle.
I’m Norweigan, French, and Blackfoot. Unfortunately, not enough Blackfoot.
Also, American medical schools have turned away the best of very qualified American students into medical school, in order to allow entry by lesser qualified foreign medical school applicants; because the students’ tuition is guaranteed by the country they are sponsored by. I’ve been in meetings and witnessed the Dean of one of the most famous medical schools in the nation (my old boss), make the case for turning away American students, even though they were the top of the barrel of applicants. I swear it is true. This has to stop.
WRT to pre-clincal med ed (memorization of pharm, microbiology, biochem, anatomy, etc) the “traditional” model of US med ed over the last decades has covered these topics inarge lecture halls. Although the labs (esp anatomy lab) obviously require direct instructor to student contact, as well as fixed costs per student, the lecture hall/didactic component easily scales up with minimal costs.
It turns out that integrating clinical and “pre-clinical” teaching in the first part of med school prolly works best, but schools still using the traditional model could scale up pretty quickly. Planning clincal contact with real patients actually demands months of prospective scheduling and prep, but that could be up and running one academic year after PEO turns on the funds.
Bottom line: turn on funds this June, start expanding “traditional” training capacity next June. [
Plan toExpress wish to obligate all schools’ shift to “integrated” initial curriculum within two years.] Begin to expand “integrated” training capacity by June 2010 at latest.Just did a small Diary on my 48 I swear talking to you folks is inspiring I would never have this many ideas without talking to all of you here.
I think every creative writing class should blog.
I think every college kid should pick a blog and comment on their subject or use their college area of expertise to help inform their comments.
expect it’s very different in different parts of the country. example - a while ago my doc said i had to get a biopsy. wait here for appointment was 4 months. i threw a hissy fit and demanded they call around to try to get me an appointment somewhere without the long wait. i think the wait was 4 days at dana faber, so i went there (only an hour away).
Edit: “one of the most” (Ivy League)
This is an explanation of single payer that really makes it easy to understand. Simple enough that even some of the brighter rethugs might get it.
http://www.grahamazon.com/sp/whatissinglepayer.php
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Great point.
In 2002 the average age of nurses was 55 years old. With low staffing and the workcomp rating of the job equal to heavy equipment operator the injury rate is very high. Mine occurred in 1987…… my life was never the same.
Thank you for the link, will read it. Wondering why I was so weak. It was weeks before I gave up my raised toilet seat and could walk more than a block.
Um, this is simply accurate WRT the last few decades.
In the mid-80’s I was on the student Board of the American Association of Medical Colleges. The AMA sent high level reps to all of our annual and quarterly meetings (the faculty’s, not the students’). We excuted concurrent Fedral lobbying on med ed issues. We — the AMA and AAMC — desperately wanted med school expansion. Regan/Bush didn’t: we lost.
oops: “simply not accurate”
I wonder if regular blogging on the Left wing blogs aside from making you more informed improves your IQ? If I had a PH.D I would apply for grant funding.
What I would make sure if we go with the Medicare for All road….
-Close the donuthole
-Cover more drugs, a lot of the cancer drugs are not covered including mine
-Dental coverage
My pleasure, I think. My brother was just released from ICU today, so it hit home.
Um….even at Ivy League med schools, med students simply take out loans to pay tuition. The loans are onerous, but universally available.
Stand corrected and what was their stand on PAs
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Do the parents of regular solders get healthcare from the army?
While we’re at it, let’s fully fund preventative care so more people stay healthy in the first place: nutrition education and cooking classes, exercise classes, meditation classes, support groups and substance abuse facilities, including for people with nicotine addictions. This is basically the program that Dr. Dean Ornish found successful in controlled studies for reversing heart disease. HIs book is called Reversing Heart Disease and is a very enjoyable read. It will also work for staying healthy in the first place for many people who would otherwise find themselves with serious illness.
Where were you on that board.
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I swear to you, it was a question of admittance in the first place. They decided not to admit American potential med students, totally qualified, in order to get the guaranteed money from the foreign sponsors. That was their policy. I promise that what I’m saying is true. It is very wrong.
The loans are not always paid back in the U.S., that was their thinking.
My dad got brief hospice care this this last week and my family greatly appreciated it. He died Saurday morning at home and peacefully. Fortunately for my family I have a sister-in-law who is a RN and she was really great the last few weeks but not every family is that lucky.
Which may explain why so many med students opt for the “big bucks” specialties rather than, say, family practice or pediatrics. Faster loan payoff can be a real consideration for a young doctor with a family to support. (At least that’s what we hear on the jungle drums at the teaching hospital where I work.)
(((So sorry!))))
THe vast majority of med students’ loans come from banks and other financial “institutions”: these institutions are completely seaparate fromm banks.
I’m not doubting that you are truthfully desrcibing what you heard. I’m sharing info I have about the prevailing practices outside of the Ivy League.
My sympathies my dad died a year ago today and we had help from hospice. They are great.
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organization of student representatives
(((AZ Matt and family)))
I have a very dear old family friend who has long been on the staff at OU medical Center.
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I know what you are saying, and I agree. “Sometimes” an Ivy League University with a major Teaching Hospital, is basically owned by people like “The Rocke..”…oh nevermind….they don’t have any “banking” or “financial” connections anyway…
Thank you all of you.
My mom made him is favorite lemon meringue pie on Friday and even though earlier he had problems getting the fork to the mouth he had no problem getting the pie in. And after that a chocolate milkshake to top it off!
Bless ‘em! I’m partial to med center staff: good folks in my experience. Pardon my dumb, but which “O”?
(and thanks for the countdown: cheers my heart!)
While I don’t disagree with your proposals, I think the idea is to spur the economy not just spend money.
I particularly like the part about paying for medical school for new doctors and nurses in return for service.
Do keep in mind that these rural jobs often pay more now because it is harder to attract doctors too them.
So sorry. Condolences to your and your family. I’m glad your dad got good hospice care. We’ve got a wonderful hospice program here in Savannah that has helped several friends and their families, so I understand what a blessing hospice can be.
Reminder to Digg, please
We also need to remove from taxation all Social Security old-age and disability payments.
And fully fund public health efforts in states and cities, including comprehensive HIV testing and HIV/AIDS treatment. Needle exchange wherever needed is a big part of this.
Nationalizing Big Phrma would be a good start, too.
Oklahoma - he teaches pathology
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Oh, and eliminate direct-to-consumer advertising for anything your doctor can prescribe.
Maybe we need something like an Hospice-type program that helps people recover and live.
I don’t see a real problem taxing
John McCain’sany millionaire’s Social Security and/or disability payments. I also don’t see a problem with having every working person contribute into Social Security for as long as they’re working, no matter what they earn.Great ideas.
why remove taxes? without having given it much thought, i’d rather see the benefits increased. that seems to me to be a much more progressive policy (because those with less will get more and those with more will get less)
Great idea and get the HMO’s out of our medical decisions too.
Maybe Social Security should be limited to some kind of certain income levels and below.
From your lips to God’s ear. The time that our docs waste trying to explain to people that the latest “miracle drug” that they saw advertised on TV isn’t indicated in their case is staggering. Then the patient leaves all pissed off because they didn’t get a drug that won’t help them…
Everyone should get it, because that’s fair. But everyone should also contribute into it, no matter what you earn. That’s also fair.
Most definitely. The HMOs were the beginning of the end..in my opinion. Doctors suffered and quit…staff quit….patients quit…Medical Enron..
The terrible irony is that HMOs were originally designed (Humana springs to mind) as a solution. They were supposed to emphasize “maintenance,” and cover preventive medicine and education. Then I guess the bean counters entered the picture and it all went to shit.
You wouldn’t believe how much i deal with that on a regular basis. Especially when they find out their insurance will not cover it at all, or if they do? the copay is sky high. Which then sends us calling the Dr’s offices to get them the old med back or an alternative that is far less expensive and likely far more effective in the end.
Every individual with earned income pays into Social Security and Medicare.
After $102,000 of earned income an individuals obligation to Social Security ends, but continues for Medicare.
You make my point. The obligation to Social Security should not end.
Well, maybe there should be some kind of limit, because those that can “afford” private health care (since they don’t use SS anyway) should not supercede saving those that can’t afford health care protection or have no income upon which to extract social security from, since they are people too. Their contributions into SS go unused. I guess I’m saying that since they are forced to contribute, but don’t use it, they should forfeit it and let it be used for those that really need it…maybe give them…gag…some other incentive. No one is more valuable than another. If you have the money, you’ll choose private health care, but if you are poor, you have no choice. Sink or swim. That is what is unacceptable.
Thank you so much for posting the link. It explains so much. I just could not figure out why my endurance was so low.
Their advertising is really something. Musak over the how wonderful message and then the cautions - if you are over thirty or plan to be over thirty you should not take this med. so talk to your doc. /s
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Even today if your income is above a certain level you pay taxes on Social Security. Just make everyone pay into the program WITH NO UPPER LIMIT ON EARNINGS. Does anyone have any idea how much money that would pour into the system?
Another BS ponzi scheme. It really hurt the doctors, because they became slaves to the private system which employs (uneducated and possibly outsourced to other countries) people who make life and death decisions in a minute based on codes, that affect the patients, as well as the payments for the doctors’ services. It screws everybody.
Edited for current accuracy, unfortunately.
I agree with you totally! I’m saying that since they won’t use what they have contributed (because they rely on private care)…get them to donate their contributions, get a tax credit for it, and give it to those that need it.
LOL
It’s crazy! Even we caution against very new meds when we get them. I like finding out what the hell they try to sell with some of those commercials. But those same commercials are well over half the jumps in prices on these drugs. Some of the older stuff should be going DOWN in price. Instead, i’d say every price change we get? Is upwards. If 20 drugs get a price change, from what i’ve seen. 19 go up, and 1 goes down in most cases.
We see the worst of the extortion right on the ground in my job as a pharm tech. But there are small things to get around that, and that’s what we do. Even if you’re insanely underpaid for your high level skill just for happening to be a ‘retail’ pharmacy technician even with the CphT after my name. -_-x
For several decades we’re going to need the medical system to care for a lot of Baby Boomers, so it isn’t just a matter of stopping that selection process. We need to take in the foreign applicants AND let in the American students.
More slots for med students and for nursing students!
Which is why they keep tweaking the formula when the patent is about to run out. So we go from Claritin to Clarinex, and from Zyrtec to Xyzal. If you don’t want to play the game you can get Claritin over the counter, or if you really read labels you can get loratadine, marketed under several names by various pharmacies, which is the same damn thing. Generic drugs rock.
Everything that has been approved by FDA during GWBs nonwatch should proclaim that in the warning labels.
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You mean like:
If you take this drug, you will experience…swollen tongue, flu, cancer, and probably die, so consult your physician…ask your physician if you should take this drug….
Hayell…even maryjane doesn’t do that stuff…
Excellent!
Goopers don’t get it, but this reduces costs over the long run since people are healthier and don’t hit the ER when it’s very serious and they miss less work.
Are my ears deceiving me? Did Rachel Maddow just refer to W’s last presser as a “doobie?” I swear she referred to “absorbing the doobie that was President Bush’s last press conference.”
Hear, Here! What I witnessed was a deliberate decision NOT to admit American students to an American University, because of guaranteed funds paid up front by foreign countries. That is just wrong.
Yes they do! When the various Big Pharma Cos let a patent expire and something that’s heavily used and is really expensive FINALLY goes generic? I end up smiling a lot more right along with the patients. It drives down their copays and makes life easier for everyone when they do that.
At the moment there have been a few changes in essential things like asthma emergency inhalers, leaving them ‘non generic’ for the next 3 or 4 years now. Which is hell if you actually require them at all times like i and many others do. Luckily my copay for that is low, since its ‘preferred brand’, but for a lot of others the thing is not preferred at all. I like the fact that they changed from using CFCs for propellants to the HFA type inhaler. But i don’t like the fact that an inhaler that cost 38.99 about 3 weeks ago (and for the first 9 months it was available) jumped up in price to 47.99. It helps no one but corporate and the drug company’s pocket. Not us workers, not the patients.
In my state physicians are required by law to prescribe a generic if it’s available.
I was wondering does big pharma have corporate jets, big bonuses, what do the stocckholders receive. This system sucks!
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What’s the deal with what I’ve been hearing about possibly taking some of the asthma inhalers off the market? Mr. Marion in Savannah has COPD and uses Spiriva (which he says is almost impossible to use due to the way it’s designed) and albuterol, and I think there’s one other. I’ve heard conflicting reports about this.
welcome to my (clinic) life…
fortunately, not very often.
Spiriva is just being watched more closely because its been showing some signs in studies as not being quite so effective for COPD as they hyped it to be. The old CFC albuterol inhalers? Those are no longer on the market, they were discontinued because of that CFC propellant entirely last year. Nobody will manufacture them at all now. Which leaves us with HFA type propellant which is much better for the environment, but it wreaks havoc on everyone’s pocketbook. Because the corporations rob you blind for something you need badly. The inhalers are still around, and never will be completely gone. It took them a solid year to get the HFAs completely phased in. But i still find the cost extortionate and it SHOULD be going down, especially with the overall demand and need for albuterol emergency inhalers.
3) Start up a medical scholarship program.
Import the doctors from Cuba. castro has done a good job of generating trained doctors. And they speak spanish, so serving a underserved community.
Mercifully Mr. Marion in Savannah pays virtually nothing for medications, since his sole source of income is Social Security. (Long story short, we were divorced years ago, but got back together. We also were smart enough not to make it legal for reasons just like this.) I spin the prayer wheels daily that my health holds up after I retire, or that Obama gets rid of the donut hole. Thanks for the clarification.
I think maybe things could be learned from New Orleans post Katrina. There has been lots and lots of out of the box thinking about medicine and medical schooling with the main teaching hospital, charity hospital, destroyed after Katrina.
I went to my ENT one day and he had a student there doing the appointments with him. This was out of the blue as he had never done this before. I think that he is pitching in with helping the students get the experience they need. Many many facilities that don’t normally do this could do this quickly if they wanted to.
There are no plans to re-build charity as it was. There is a new complex planned but it will be so long from now who knows what healthcare will look like by then.
That’s great…I have a friend who has done almost the opposite…not together, not divorced…keeps insurance coverage.
I really don’t think that millionares getting social security is a huge problem. I do think that if we start having an income limit or test of some sort it will immediately begin to undermine the support for this program.
Part of the reason people support it is because many people rightly believe that they have “paid into” the system their whole lives and therefore they are not taking some government handout they are just getting back what they “paid in”. In this way it is not easily dismissed the way welfare programs are.
If we change who gets benefits this will start the undermining and will eventually lead to it being dismantled.
The sad thing is that we’re forced into such subterfuges just so we can get health care. Sucks, you know. And it puts me in mind of the destruction of the black family structure when women couldn’t get food stamps or welfare to help care for their children if there was a man in the household.
It is pretty amazing…like nursing home divorces to protect old age assets, or not getting married to maintain one’s own. The old “man in the house” rule; how quaint. I had almost forgotten; I have some long ago welfare/food staff background as well. Of course, everyone knew there was a man in the house.
I’d be interested to see people who time out of COBRA to get put onto Medicare. Or people who otherwise can’t afford COBRA to qualify.
The back way in.
Lack of universal health care is crippling the economy. Too many of us cannot participate as capitalists, as entrepreneurs, because we can’t afford the health care.
Have a family member with cancer? Not independently wealthy? No capitalism for you!
It seems as I have been reading more and more often that such and such drug is no longer available because “somebody” decided it is not as effective.
I ran into this the other day when I found out that Kaopectate’s formula has been changed entirely since the 90’s. “They” decided that the ingredient is not as effective as bismuth. So now we have only one choice.
It seems to me that if something works that the people should be able to decide what is effective or not.