Paul Krugman has some ideas for beefing up the stimulus discussions that are worth a read. He concludes:
…my advice to the Obama team is to scrap the business tax cuts, and, more important, to deal with the threat of doing too little by doing more. And the way to do more is to stop talking about jump-starts and look more broadly at the possibilities for government investment.
I’ve hit this the last few days talking about child poverty issues (Part I and Part II) and child nutrition (Part I and Part II). Especially when coupled with investment in early childhood education and other investments in human infrastructure, it could make a huge long-term dent in several fiscally expensive problems, including reducing expenses for incarceration and judicial services.
Get at the root core rather than scratch the surface, so to speak.
Last night, 60 Minutes had an infuriating report on oil commodities gaming and the deregulation that has enabled legalized thievery.
They didn’t go into substantial detail on the deregulation push (never mentioning Phil Gramm, for example). But they hit enough on how easily the market can be gamed by high-level traders who take advantage of these deregulated loopholes that regular folks could get a good sense of how they got screwed while CEOs and hedge fund giants walked away with millions more in their pockets.
Of course, folks like Phil Gramm — who also pushed deregulation of mortgage markets leading to the subprime fiasco — still think that regulations and oversight are the devil’s handmaiden.
“There is this idea afloat that if you had more regulation you would have fewer mistakes,” he said. “I don’t see any evidence in our history or anybody else’s to substantiate it.” He added, “The markets have worked better than you might have thought.”
Gramm wasn’t alone in pushing this through. Politicians from both sides of the aisle, including a lot of folks who went on to work for the very financial institutions which were helped by this deregulation, gave him plenty of legislative help and political cover. Cozy.
And what did the rest of us get?
– Job Fair Expands Face Of Unemployment
– Options for Health Insurance If You Lose Your Job
– Children In Need: Schools Hear Cry For Help
– Program Supports Families On Road To Self-Sufficiency
– Need Is Growing For Food Stamps
– Black Men Hardest Hit By Joblessness in US
– The Price Of Packing Schools With Poverty
– Number Of Homeless Families Climbing Due To Recession
– Why Is US Unemployment Rising?
At a time when bailout monies have already been spent on enhancing CEO pay packages at bailed-out banks, isn’t it high time members of Congress stopped lining the pockets of the greedy and, instead, started looking at some real infrastructure and investment in the rest of us? Or are they going to join in the WSJ chorus of blaming HGTV for giving us high expectations, and instead work to keep us in our place?
How about we try being smart about where we invest the public’s money for a change? Or is that too much to ask?
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pot kettle black.
might mention the role obama’s economic advisors played.
Mention my ass. That story would be a ten page post. *g*
I thought the days of the robber barons was long past !
Good Morning Christy and Selise…
I don’t think it’s too much to ask.
Initial reactions this morning include two things.
Mental Health. If we address the lack of caring and funding for dealing with that can of worms, we can reduce some of the incarceration issues.
And, regarding the statistics of Black Men Hardest Hit By Joblessness in US, Mike Duncan, now on CSPAN, just said we have a color-blind country and a color-blind Republican party. Oh. Really?
(I’ve got fresh bisquits, if any one is hungry.)
Here’s the Q I emailed for Duncan:
When the Republics start promising something for nothing again, and you know they soon will, I hope the voters remember what really happens when Republics actually have power.
…………..(I’ve got fresh bisquits,………..
I’d love one ,can you email it ?
They mentioned no one — and I mean no one at all. I thought my head was going to explode.
good point.
Hopefully the Republics have finally become a small, regional party of the South.
Good for you. I’ll be listening and waiting for an answer.
The Emperor has no clothes ,sort of thing?
In thinking back to that period of time where the Grahm crap was snuck into the legislation. Wasn’t the government operating under a continuing resolution with the budget not having been passed in a timely fashion. Also wasn’t Grahm’s crap attached to the budget which passed the senate the night before the senate went home for Christmas break. If Clinton had vetoed the legislation would the budget etc. then have been the first thing that Bush signed with a totally Rethug. budget?
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It wouldn’t have been good for their portfolio. Or their job.
Yes, but the butter and raspberry jam might get a little messy. *g*
the bloody thieves are whining for the the rest of the 350,000,000,000.00,in bailout money from the poor,financially screwed taxpayers
JUST SAY NO,as the inimitable Nancy Reagan sez,oh and good morning all!
i didn’t watch the show, but i listened to the clip BT posted. really pissed me off because so many “experts” got the oil speculation so very wrong. i remember when krugman wrote about how it wasn’t speculation and hugh kept trying to explain to us why it was. but you know krugman is the expert so he can’t be wrong. argh.
I switched to W’s presser. Sounds like he’s drunk.
just read an article that said KKKKARL ROVE was obsessed with that era,and seems ALL the goopers like the idea of it,and threw their top hats into the ring…to go along with the gravy train natch
How do you suggest we say NO?
oh hemlock please,how can you watch?
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AHEM….1 million blast FAXES TO PEBO
Seems like most of the calls this morning on WJ are being very critical of the Republican party.
Good.
The money that the Bush crime family has requested won’t become available until after Obama takes over. He is wanting to refocus it towards mortgage relief etc. His finance people are working with congress to fix.
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This early? I better stick with WJ, or I might have to go look for a bottle.
Heh. My money manager contracts with someone who runs an energy hedge fund. When I was in TX in July, they had a meeting scheduled with him and she invited me to join. He went thru every jot and tittle about supply/demand and concluded that oil prices would stay high (not $140, but still around $100) for an extended period. I did not say much, as I didn’t want to queer the relationship. But apparently I made my sentiments clear, as recently she told me that one of her partners said they wish they had listened to me when I was there. *g*
I don’t know about any of you ,but have this premonition that doom and gloom are right around the corner.We are at the tipping point right now,though we haven’t yet gone over the edge.
I don’t expect thing to improve any time soon.we are too far in the hole.
The rethugs have driven this country into the ground ,and it will be many years before we see any kind of prosperity again.
I still have this recurring image of myself and my family traveling the country with all our worldly possesions tied to the bed of my pick-up!
Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM
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Obama, Bush ready to ask for remaining $350b
Steven R. Hurst , The Associated Press , Washington | Mon, 01/12/2009 8:08 PM | Business
President-elect Barack Obama and the Bush administration could ask Congress as early as Monday to release $350 billion more to prop up the troubled U.S. financial system, the remaining money left in the huge bailout fund put in place last fall.
Congress may vote on the request as early as this week, according to senators briefed by Obama economic adviser Larry Summers on the financial rescue package in addition to Obama’s separate plan for roughly $800 billion in spending and tax breaks to spur the economy.
The formal request for the remaining $350 in the Troubled Asset Relief Program must come from President George W. Bush, but the Obama team needs to help smooth release of the massive block of federal dollars. The incoming administration wants to use more of the fund to relieve homeowners threatened with mortgage foreclosures, said Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, a Democrat. A fuller accounting of the money already spent is needed as well, Dodd said.
Bush was to hold a previously unannounced news conference Monday morning, amid speculation he would formally ask Congress to put the money into the system.
Feeling masochistic this morning.
AINT THAT A SHAME…”fATS dOMINO”…..G
When asked, W said he wouldn’t ask for the $350 billion unless Obama asked him to ask, and that hasn’t happened.
I saw your Grapes Of Wrath comment several days ago.
We’ll all have to go camping. And, with law enforcement tending to revolution in the streets, we’ll be able to pitch our tents anywhere at the beach, because who is going to stop us?
I have the same fear.
hahhaaahahahah,im on a low carb diet too….g
so what is with this tag team tripe,the AP is pushing?
ease up, worrying about it isn’t going to change it, you’ll have a corinary
Beats me. Another Q we’ll never know the answer to.
Why do you think he said that? Wants to share the burden and responsibility with the next crew? That will happen anyway.
coronary
that was the MEME on shitty NPR this morning,they KOOKIE ROBERTS on saying how extremely similar,Chimie,and Pebo were…..i shit you not
that was CHIMPIE!
Either that, or maybe we can all re-discover the true meaning of “community” and “I am my brother’s keeper.” Wouldn’t that be a nice change? I’m planting a few extra tomato, pepper, cucumber and zucchini plants this year to have a little extra for folks in my neighborhood and local shelters. Just in case…
So as not to contribute to that, I’ll send Billy a banana instead of the biscuit with butter and jam.
oh kookie first thing in the morning is almost intolerable …bletch
I’m layin in just a touch more ammo.
okay. did W just say “there is an enemy out there who wants to attack us. that’s just the way it is. and I wish him all the best.” a-fuckin-mazing
i think about that everyday, the “pseudoXtians” around here are buying up all the used rest equipment from the ones that went out of buisiness,NOT TO FEED THE POOR natch…to have INHOUSE weddings….more bletch
Raven – Yes, just ‘waiting for the axe to fall’ is not good. But not taking some ‘what’s the worst that can happen’ is a bit delusional also. There was a period when the DH and I were on ’short commons’ because I lost my job and we had three kids at home under 5. We ate a lot of PBJ, but the thing that stuck out for us was that THE ONE GOAL we had(besides keeping the kids shod and fed) was to keep the payments on the house going. We renegotiated the mortgage and got one at a lower rate with our Credit Union(the fact that we’d been members for 10 years did not hurt us there, nor did the fact that the manager knew us well), lowered the thermostat, etc. I got freelance work wherever I could and slowly..slowly, we moved ahead. We used to talk about ‘worst case’ and made all sorts of Plan B – move in with my parents, take in borders..it is important to have ideas in place so that no one panics. Keeping the crazies at bay right now is as important as anything else.
in that case…. *g*
last night i made a list of this week’s congressional committee hearings. lots of nomination hearings:
http://www.netrootsmass.net/ca…..-hearings/
I’ve said this before. You and SD will be in charge of security at the Hippie Victory Commune.
Christy…you can work in the garden and oversee legal issues.
That sounds way too comprehensible for him.
okay he is drunk………..dayyyyyyyyyyyum its early
My fave thus far has been the “klieg lights” soliloquy. Jeebus, this is painful to watch…
Where’s Norske?
OT the 1 to 2 ” of snow we were supposed to get starting at noon today is now up to 3″ already on the ground. Weather forecastiers yay!
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i shall handle the pet matters
It’s pretty hard….I think this is such a sad situation. His face is pathethic. How did he get elected? Even close enough to steal…He seems more bitter than I would have thought.
Heh..and I guess Aunt Toby gets the Kitchen Duty, huh?
georgie just promised that when he’s gone – he’s gone. Not gunna hear from him anymore. Though he may “Oh-pine” on the rare occasion.
I hope that it’s *very* rare.
Now saying that he couldn’t have done anything differently on Katrina because he couldn’t have landed Air Force 1 at either New Orleans or Baton Rouge.
This is a truly deep motherfucker.
He’s working night shift these days, so he’s usually on later evenings and sleeping in the mornings.
Overseeing the flames?
And, keeping feet held over them?
Sadly, yes, you got the pets.
I grew up in the fifties and sixties and learned my first history listening to my grandparents discuss the Depression.
First they would say “You cannot imagine how tough times were!”
Then, upon reflection, they would recall all the good times because “Everyone was in the same boat, yaknow, so we all had to pull together.”
I am hoping for the better angels of our nature in the coming Hard Times*
Studs Terkels oral history of that name is a wonderful intro to those times.
Hope his ticker is cool.
I’ll help you with that if you help me with the music.
The economy is so hard to understand. Trillions of dollars have somehow disappeared from the stock market and housing. One would think that the money supply has therefore been reduced…why not just print new money to make up for the amount that has been wiped out, rather then borrow it and add to the deficit? I’m sure there must be a reason why that can’t happen…perhaps the trillions were just “pretend” in the first place.
Liveblogging Bush: blindered, bubbled and bamboozling right to the bitter end. And still obsessin’ about his landslided daddy.
thanks for checking up on norske, i haven’t seen him around these parts since thursday night / friday morning.
He can’t leave soon enough and I do hope the swinging doors hit him in the butt on the way out.
I haven’t heard anything on that as yet. But it’s been a crazy week here, and I may have missed something on it. Sorry…
He could have let McCain fly it – he wouldn’t have even needed a runway.
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Jeebus, this is painful to watch…
I should have just said that. To try to take this thing apart one ridiculization at a time would take all day….
If he says “Homeland” again I will throw the other effin shoe
Nothing new/problem about “morality” of the US, torture, etc. No change in our image….still hyping attact on the Homeland.
Listening to the local NPR out of Flagstaff there was a mention of the increase, 8%, of homeless school kids in Arizona.
Get the shoe
somebody really pushed his buttons. now he’s going off on 9-11. he’s so incoherent it’s hard to figure out what he’s trying to say…just clear he is fending off.
oh fer chrissakes. Would somebody please just throw a shoe?
I won’t have to change my name to Judd?
Kent Conrad is making sense on WJ. Explaining some aspects of the economy.
Helpful.
Saw the 60 Minutes piece last night . . . and am almost outraged that collectively, we are not ALL outraged. When a hurricane here in north Florida leads to price gouging at the pump, we read a couple of stories about the miscreants who exploit other’s misfortune . . . and then it’s back to business as usual. The same thing seems to be true of gasoline consumers. We moaned and groaned and fumed when gase approached $5/gallon; but now that the numbers have come down, we fill up our tank, go on our way and never want/expect accountability from those who–quite literally–robbed us. WHERE’S THE OUTRAGE?
yeah. and I wonder how many people know what klieg lights are these days???
A faster shoe like an athletic shoe!
sad is not the proper word…i loathe that mass murderer,have zero compassion for him ….when i think of all the animals people,plants and antiquities(thats my order) he blew up for $ and sport and Laura who had to spend 1/2 a million dollars on dishes,when millions of kids are going hungry…I HATE THEM
I’d throw my shoes ,but if I lose them I can’t afford a new pair !!
America’s Town Drunk…
Interesting all the recent press about what a likeable, fun guy this is…dont’seem to see it
because that is the ONLY airplane/vehicle,provided to this cretin in chief…WHAT ME WORRY?
LOL! LOL!
Or landing gear.
congress knew exactly what was happening. levin – you know that senator from michigan – had a report in 2006 showing the effect of oil speculation, which in 2004 had started to affect prices. levin did jack shit, well not exactly nothing if you include the change he had put into the farm bill which he claimed closed the enron loophole but did no such thing for oil (only affect natural gas).
I know what you are saying…maybe the sadness is about the loss, the things you talk about. Tragedy, is after all, a very sad thing. He looks more pathetic to me than usual…tho’ I do not look very often.
If the reasons for the past eight years of total fuck ups was not clear it is now.
Get of the damn stage you……….
read this
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/2954
Now he is defending the New Orleans response….delusional
These economists are all about as spot on as my weather forecasters. Want to get more people spending money. Reduce work week from 40 to 32 hrs. Keep salaries the same.
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Damn, I am not going to miss this. It really is astonishing.
Asked about NOLA, he sequed to race relations. interesting.
i look at the dead… i think of all THE ORPHANS …and remember SHOCK AND AWE how they all got hard ons for this war
Something about that was included in the question…
go away george you lowest of all living creatures….go away and STFU already
d’oh!
Thanks for the headsup about 60 Mins, Christy-DirecTV cut off our CBS in Fargo.
Much is sad. Is it correct that he/we really has nothing to celebrate from his tenure? Trying to recall.
did we lose feed or just me?
To demonstrate real class he did not call on Helen Thomas /s
his departure,and final obscurity…..rah,rah,rah
Wonder why Helen Thomas did not ask a question?
No.
This has been another simple answer…
New gold-rimmed china? /s
I feel it’s better to get you’re anxieties out in the open. I do worry about our country not just for my sake but for all of us.
As Obama said we’re all in this together.if my neighbors are struggling that affects me.
We’ll get through this I’m sure,but I think it’s gonna be a much different country when done.
Let’s just hope we can make a better country for ourselves and future generations!
The CBS link up top has the whole video of the show and a transcript of it as well. Just FYI…
Thanks mucho for all the diggs, gang.
He’s done.
i havent watched him since 2005 ,i cant
Good point. I’d like to know how that works too.
Because he’s pretty much refused to call on herunless publicly shamed into it, and even then he’s petulant about it, for quite some time?
I wonder if the Guinness Book of Records people have a category for “condescension from the lowest altitude” ?
georgie will be the all-time record holder. Nobody’s gonna touch that one.
we all need to just keep on keeping on and use our brains and the intertubes….g……….. yes we can
praise the lord
hehehehehe
reminds me of Lady Katherine de Berg………
We do have a class warfare in this country. Within the next few years what I think we are going to see is huge increases in the interest rate on the national debt.
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I guess…but where is all that affability he is said to have?
He is the absolute personification of all this country has been through: From the stolen election, the financial wreck, torture, Libby, Dick….It really is hard to hold so much in one’s awareness. I saw Helen speak early in the administration….her assessment of was already of such incompetence, lack of curiosity, etc. That was long ago..
Is it true they made Helen surrender her shoes before the presser?
Hey, no fair – I was drinking coffee when I read that!!
the difference between the haves aand have NOTS in this country is decent affordable healthcare sad that
$154 later, and hope that my oven is really repaired this time. The repair guy drew me away from W’s presser. Scanning the comments, it seems like that was a good thing.
I have a question.
Does any one here think that Obama/Beden/Holder really do plan on deep investigations once they are in office? Why tip their hand, allowing the burning, shredding and general loss of documents?
I’m probably wrong for wondering this, but that’s how my brain works.
Ummm, they did that already. Didn’t help. And those Trillions were not make believe.
Honestly, I don’t know. There are folks who have been nominated to some higher-level positions who have spoken about the need for public hearings, and folks who have poo-poohed them. I think Obama is playing his cards close to his vest prior to whatever hearings will be done for nominees in the Senate.
Whether that’s because he believes some accountability is important — or whether he plans to dodge it — though? I honestly cannot say for certain one way or the other. Because every aide I’ve managed to corner on that issue won’t say, either.
I think we’re all going to have to keep pushing for sunlight…and then see if and when we get it.
Thanks. As Tom Petty puts it, the waiting is the hardest part.
You’re correct to keep us focused on pushing for sunlight. Keeps us all from getting worse mouth wounds from all the tongue biting.
Are aides usually so tight lipped, or is there anything to ponder about why they aren’t saying anything?
Well, for one thing, they aren’t yet in office…so they don’t know what they have or don’t have in terms of information sitting in various agency files. It’s tough to say what you will do when you don’t know what all you are facing in terms of evidence outright. That’s just for starters.
And it’s DC. They hedge on everything. SIGH So, we keep pushing for what we want until we get it. It’s what we do. *g*
PS, the earlier proffered biscuits were made to go with sonny’s breakfast soup. First day back to school.
The adult breakfast is now ready. Strawberry/banana/grapes salad with yogurt and a few walnuts. I am determined to clean up my act.
I’ve never followed politics this close before. What a tremendous task this transition will be. Can’t wait until they are all in office to start nomination hearings. Must be working in front of the train. But, it’s the current Senate that will be holding the hearings. Interesting. Complicated.
New Senate has already been sworn in (absent the IL and MN seats being finalized), so we’re working with the composition of the 111th Congress, not the 110th.
You couldn’t convince Scarecrow that the price hikes in oil were due to speculation. For the longest time his view was the prevailing one here, despite the bleeding obvious. This government has been one big crime wave, going back to Clinton. With the return of the Clintonites, don’t expect to see any changes for the better.
Ah, missed that. I’m learning as I grow. Again, thanks for all the information and education. You are a true gem.
I am one of the ones who have written about excess speculation in oil for a long time. It is good to see CBS cover it but in addition to not naming names, I would also point out that this report, like all these belated realizations in the media, could have and should have been done a long time ago. I would note too that the era of excess speculation began back in 2004 (when oil increased by a third over the year) essentially at the same time that the housing bubble really took off. This is unsurprising the same forces driving the one drove the other. I cover this in item 365 of my scandals list. I haven’t updated it to cover the big fall off but basically it happened because speculative money fled the market because credit dried up and made it difficult to run the speculation and because what money speculators did have they needed to cover their losses in housing and the falling stock markets.
Excellent post, Christy!
Particular thanks for the 60 minutes link.
I would’ve hated to miss that oil speculation segment.
There is another important thing that Krugman has realized, and I think it is very important: the US economy has been so damaged and gutted by bad policy over the last decade (that includes that last 2-3 yrs of the Clinton era) that one bais assumption of the “Summer’s” approach will likely not work to restore anything like full employment at good livable jobs. One of Summer’s principles is that the fiscual stimulus should be very big, very fast, and designed to fade away as soon as possible leaving no trace in what is assumed to be a well functioning market economy.
I think Krugman senses that something is wrong with this. To me, it is summarized by his comment that an economy that is built around selling houses to each other using money borrowed from the Chinese is not a feasible business model. But that is what our economy has been. Another way to look at it is that, as Krugman has also commented, the US economy has lived on a series of bubbles that the Cheney/Bush team and Greenspan unsuccessfully attempted to ‘manage’ over the last eight years. Again, some aspects of this started in the last years of the Clinton era, and is to some extent due to flaws in that famous ‘Rubinomics’ -but Cheney/bush took those flaws and made them the centerpiece of macroeconomic and financial policy, which has lead us and the world, to the brink of disaster.
I think Krugman still thinks of this in terms of the stimulus is not big enough becuase the slump will be longer than usual. I think he is going to some extent on intuition, here. But I think the problem is more severe -seriouis long run distortions in capital allocation and regulation of the financial markets, and corporate tax policy have seriously damaged the productive potential of the economy.
To plug Stiglitz again, I think he is the only mainstream celebrity economist who has both the theory (which predicted pretty well what has happened) and the data to really explain the problem. Like it or not, there are long run structural problems that must be fixed, and a standard countercyclical stimulus approach will not be very successful.
I am not criticizing Krugman, since his specialities are international trade and international financial crises. One of Stiglitz’s specialty is the problems of informational and incentive distortions in insurance, financial and credit markets, and tracing those problems from microeconomic effects on the “real” economy (ie, real houses and real living standards) through to macro and international markets.
Anyway, this comment ends with another plug to search “Joseph Stiglitz homepage’ and read his stuff -and I hope he keeps up his commentary on current policy developments.