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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1790111</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe the shill for the Israelis…someone has got to start giving him better quality propaganda..this is so bad it hurts..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The people of Sderot “can’t do normal things day to day” like get soap in their eyes in the shower, for fear of rockets, said America’s most famous plumber, whose real name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I’m sure they’re taking quick showers,” he said. “I know I would.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wurzelbacher’s status as a rookie was evident when he stood in front of a pile of spent rockets and said: “I have thousands of questions but I can’t think of the right one.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What he could summon was contempt for Israel’s critics, who are outraged by the more than 870 Palestinians killed in Israel’s bruising air and ground onslaught against Gaza’s Islamic militant Hamas rulers. Thirteen Israelis have also died since the operation began, including four killed by the rocket fire that touched off the war in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Why hasn’t Israel acted sooner?” Wurzelbacher asked. “I know if I were a citizen here, I’d be damned upset.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He described himself as a “peaceloving man,” but added, “when someone hits me, I’m going to unload on the boy. And if the rest of the world doesn’t understand that, then I’m sorry.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/11/joe-the-plumber-files-fir_n_156978.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....56978.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe the shill for the Israelis…someone has got to start giving him better quality propaganda..this is so bad it hurts..</p>
<p>The people of Sderot “can’t do normal things day to day” like get soap in their eyes in the shower, for fear of rockets, said America’s most famous plumber, whose real name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher.</p>
<p>“I’m sure they’re taking quick showers,” he said. “I know I would.”</p>
<p>Wurzelbacher’s status as a rookie was evident when he stood in front of a pile of spent rockets and said: “I have thousands of questions but I can’t think of the right one.”</p>
<p>What he could summon was contempt for Israel’s critics, who are outraged by the more than 870 Palestinians killed in Israel’s bruising air and ground onslaught against Gaza’s Islamic militant Hamas rulers. Thirteen Israelis have also died since the operation began, including four killed by the rocket fire that touched off the war in the first place.</p>
<p>“Why hasn’t Israel acted sooner?” Wurzelbacher asked. “I know if I were a citizen here, I’d be damned upset.”</p>
<p>He described himself as a “peaceloving man,” but added, “when someone hits me, I’m going to unload on the boy. And if the rest of the world doesn’t understand that, then I’m sorry.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/11/joe-the-plumber-files-fir_n_156978.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&#8230;..56978.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1790094</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. in a rush - going to the protest - but wish i’d taken the time to temper my previous comment. would like to continue conversation if we can find a convenient location…. will be looking for you. thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. in a rush &#8211; going to the protest &#8211; but wish i’d taken the time to temper my previous comment. would like to continue conversation if we can find a convenient location…. will be looking for you. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1790059</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;got it thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m mad as hell right now because cole’s piece is being used as a reason why we shouldn’t protest - i kid you not i just got it in my email, it was sent to the entire list to argue that we shouldn’t bother with today’s protest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and i’m also personally frustrated by some of what you wrote, for example: “The difficult move for those of us who are protestors, is the thought of creating a “next level” power move through a tool like lobbying.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;who’s us? i &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; been thinking about this stuff. the very first fdl “roots project” visit to a senator’s office was organized by your’s truely. i supported strange bedfellows. i have no problem with lobbying. i’ve been involved in non-protest related actions as well as protest related and i’ve given quite a bit of thought to these issues. doesn’t mean i don’t have it all wrong - i very well could. but why the lecture as though i’ve never given a thought or been involved in any of this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>got it thanks.</p>
<p>i’m mad as hell right now because cole’s piece is being used as a reason why we shouldn’t protest &#8211; i kid you not i just got it in my email, it was sent to the entire list to argue that we shouldn’t bother with today’s protest.</p>
<p>and i’m also personally frustrated by some of what you wrote, for example: “The difficult move for those of us who are protestors, is the thought of creating a “next level” power move through a tool like lobbying.”</p>
<p>who’s us? i <em>have</em> been thinking about this stuff. the very first fdl “roots project” visit to a senator’s office was organized by your’s truely. i supported strange bedfellows. i have no problem with lobbying. i’ve been involved in non-protest related actions as well as protest related and i’ve given quite a bit of thought to these issues. doesn’t mean i don’t have it all wrong &#8211; i very well could. but why the lecture as though i’ve never given a thought or been involved in any of this?</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1790038</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sorry selise, 68 was a response to you @ 65.  The reply didn’t post when I submitted.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry selise, 68 was a response to you @ 65.  The reply didn’t post when I submitted.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1790034</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course Sharp and Moyer are very important reads on the subject.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also suggest Dr. Irwin Abrams and Dr. Charles Chatfield. Chatfield has written a great deal on the history of peace protesting.  Both are my mentors.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Sharp and Moyer are very important reads on the subject.</p>
<p>I also suggest Dr. Irwin Abrams and Dr. Charles Chatfield. Chatfield has written a great deal on the history of peace protesting.  Both are my mentors.</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1789957</link>
		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I opened DIGG.  (sorry, transfer of URL inoperative)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I opened DIGG.  (sorry, transfer of URL inoperative)</p>
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		<title>By: constantweader</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1789951</link>
		<dc:creator>constantweader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So here’s news — to me, anyway — &lt;strong&gt;Gene Robinson&lt;/strong&gt;, the first openly-gay Episcopalian bishop, will give the invocation at the Lincoln Memorial inaugural event which is the kickoff event for inauguration week.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Constant Weader at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.RealityChex.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.RealityChex.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So here’s news — to me, anyway — <strong>Gene Robinson</strong>, the first openly-gay Episcopalian bishop, will give the invocation at the Lincoln Memorial inaugural event which is the kickoff event for inauguration week.</p>
<p>The Constant Weader at <a href="http://www.RealityChex.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.RealityChex.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1789946</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;klynn, i didn’t disagree with either you or cole on all the other good stuff that needs to be done. my point was only that it is not  an either/or question and that in my opinion BOTH are valuable and significant. that’s not what cole wrote. his larger scheme of things is far too narrow imo. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;furthermore i don’t think what cole is saying is new (although i do think it is useful if he would just quit with the false choice thing).  btw, i’m going mostly off of what i’ve read from gene sharp and especially bill moyer. if you think they are wrong, could you direct me to some additional reading? thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>klynn, i didn’t disagree with either you or cole on all the other good stuff that needs to be done. my point was only that it is not  an either/or question and that in my opinion BOTH are valuable and significant. that’s not what cole wrote. his larger scheme of things is far too narrow imo. </p>
<p>furthermore i don’t think what cole is saying is new (although i do think it is useful if he would just quit with the false choice thing).  btw, i’m going mostly off of what i’ve read from gene sharp and especially bill moyer. if you think they are wrong, could you direct me to some additional reading? thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1789931</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i’ve got to read that book. krugman has been wrong on other stuff, i think he used to be a pretty neoliberal dlc type. but writing about the bush administration has radicalized him. dontcha know, he became &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;shrill&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i like shrill krugman much better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i’ve got to read that book. krugman has been wrong on other stuff, i think he used to be a pretty neoliberal dlc type. but writing about the bush administration has radicalized him. dontcha know, he became <strong><em>shrill</em></strong>!</p>
<p>i like shrill krugman much better.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/early-morning-swim-75/#comment-1789920</link>
		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Remarkable…thanks for remembering.  W coming up right now…get the shoes. ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remarkable…thanks for remembering.  W coming up right now…get the shoes. ;)</p>
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