Dick Cheney has admitted that he personally authorize torture. He did it on National TV. I cannot think of any reason why that footage would not be admissible evidence against him in a criminal proceeding (anybody who can, I be looking in the comment threads).
Further, recent revelations indicate that other high ranking Bush Administration officials personally directed torture.
Top Bush aides, including Vice President Cheney, micromanaged the torture of terrorist suspects from the White House basement, according to an ABC News report aired last night.
Discussions were so detailed, ABC’s sources said, that some interrogation sessions were virtually choreographed by a White House advisory group. In addition to Cheney, the group included then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, then-defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, then-secretary of state Colin Powell, then-CIA director George Tenet and then-attorney general John Ashcroft.
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"Highly placed sources said a handful of top advisers signed off on how the CIA would interrogate top al Qaeda suspects — whether they would be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called waterboarding…."
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"briefings and meetings in the White House to discuss individual interrogations continued, sources said. Tenet, seeking to protect his agents, regularly sought confirmation from the NSC principals that specific interrogation plans were legal. . . .
"According to a former CIA official involved in the process, CIA headquarters would receive cables from operatives in the field asking for authorization for specific techniques. Agents, worried about overstepping their boundaries, would await guidance in particularly complicated cases dealing with high-value detainees, two CIA sources said. . . .
Click the link and read Froomkin’s piece, it’s loaded with info.
One former CIA agent says that every punch, every slap, was individually authorized through Langley:
The former intelligence officer says the interrogators’ activities were carefully directed from Langley, Va., every step of the way.
“It wasn’t up to individual interrogators to decide, ‘Well, I’m gonna slap him. Or ‘I’m going to shake him.’ Or ‘I’m gonna make him stay up for 48 hours.’ Each one of these steps, even though they’re minor steps, like the intention shake– or the openhanded belly slap, each one of these had to have the approval of the Deputy Director for Operations.
“. . . . [B]efore you laid a hand on him, you had to send in the cable saying, ‘He’s uncooperative. Request permission to do X.’ And that permission would come. ‘You’re allowed to him one time in the belly with an open hand.’"
Think about how extraordinary that statement is! Agents in the field, were marionettes, getting directions from the White House basement, relayed through CIA HQ at Langley, about every single blow, every zap, every drop of waterboarding. And Cheney admits it!
It also turns out that the White House has it’s own interrogation room in the basement. Sounds more like Saddam’s basement than our president’s, doesn’t it?
How can anyone in the US think we could, or should, possibly get away with NOT prosecuting these crimes?
Especially when you consider that DoJ just successfully prosecuted Charles (Chuckie) Taylor, Jr., son of the former Liberian president, for torture and conspiracy to commit torture, and after DoJ urged a sentence of 147 years, he was sentenced to 97 years imprisonment. Yep, case in Florida. The US thinks it can prosecute nationals of other countries for crimes committed against nationals of other countries, during a war in which the US did not participate, but then can somehow escape prosecuting our own lawbreaking nationals when they commit similar crimes, sometimes against other US nationals, as well as citizens of other countries, in connection with our occupation of those countries?
Krazy World.
Twenty-fifth in a series on torture and the law
[Editor's note: This photo by takomabibelot features a banner created and designed by Firedoglake reader BonnieT of Austin, Texas, where she operates OpposeTorture.org.]



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Thank you for this, Loosehead. How did it ever come to this.
W said he personally authorized KSM torture.
Well for another week or so, the answer would still be impeachment
Deputy Director of Operations? Was that the office Kappes was in? I don’t think Obama is going to pursue this.
Bush: I Personally Authorized Torture Of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed»
In an interview with Brit Hume that aired today on Fox News Sunday, President Bush admitted that he personally authorized the torture of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He said he personally asked “what tools” were available to use on him, and sought legal approval for waterboarding him:
BUSH: One such person who gave us information was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. … And I’m in the Oval Office and I am told that we have captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the professionals believe he has information necessary to secure the country. So I ask what tools are available for us to find information from him and they gave me a list of tools, and I said are these tools deemed to be legal? And so we got legal opinions before any decision was made.
See Think Progress: http://thinkprogress.org/
That whole “prosecuting sons of former presidents for torture” sure could be a handy precedent.
Chuckie, meet W.
So you didn’t think there were any rooms like this in the White House huh?
Presidents and Vice Presidents out of office can still be impeached. It’s useful for that “emoluments of office” clause: no office space, no Secret Service, no pension.
I hope you aren’t holding your breath.
It’s not torture. Dick and
JaneW said so. Because, just because. So! So what! So! Then they said to bite them and thumbed their noses in our general direction after they ordered their little cronies to fetchez le chat…and fart in our general direction….then all the underlings in the world said…D’oh kay.If only Bush and Cheney would have thrown shoes… they would have been tossed into the Hague long ago.
Oh, there is still going to be a coup!
Wow. There’s a serious punishment for you!
Hmmm. So Nancy put impeachment back on the table? Just asking.
Dang…outta ask Jeffy Gannonboy about that…hmmm..
That sort of choreography, tell me, thrill me, and I’ll Ok it, reveals the total sadism at the heart of these people. Condi refuses to endorse the cease fire, we know much of the torture story. Where does it stop?
Hanging’s too good for ‘em. I love the way the issue is wending its way more and more into the MSM…here’s hoping that this actually is the pendulum of public consciousness swinging back the other way and that what has been “unthinkable” for the past 8 years — namely the notion that the President and his cronies could be actual criminals — might become the thinkable.
The controversy over Gannon’s background started after President George W. Bush’s January 26, 2005 press conference, at which Gannon asked the president the following question:
Sister project Wikiquote has a collection of quotations related to: Jeff Gannon
“Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak picture of the U.S. economy. (Senate Minority Leader) Harry Reid was talking about soup lines. And (Senator) Hillary Clinton was talking about the economy being on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that Social Security is rock solid and there’s no crisis there. How are you going to work – you’ve said you are going to reach out to these people – how are you going to work with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?”[3]
Good one!!
I’m against the death penalty (seems we ought to be more civilized than that by now). And for these guys, life behind bars without possibility of parole seems like a much more satisfying outcome. Let ‘em sit & stew.
*slapping face* Yeah, I know. Ain’t gonna happen.
Yeah, that’s why I think there may be a conflict of interest problem that may lead to the necessity of a special prosecutor.
Heh. You mean we might be able to prosecute Pelosi & Reid at the same time? Whatta bonanza.
LHP, thank you from the bottom of my dysphoric heart for continuing to spotlight America’s complicity in torture.
I wonder if PEBO understands Phillipe Sands’observation that upon becoming PEO he’ll have only hours before Obama also becomes complicit in official America’s use of and refusal to prosecute torture.
I read that Conyers wants to investigate Bush…I think I saw it on Rawstory today.
This is true. But also, once out of affice the bar against criminla prosecution goes away.
Assuming the statute of limitations has not run out. W could actually have crimainl exposure
It would surely put a dent in Pelosi’s botox brows for sure.
Yes indeed. The thought of Cheney in a line at a soup kitchen because he can’t afford anything else, just warms the cockles of me heart.
If it ends up as war crimes…there are no time limitations…right?
One good reason to hand them all over to the Hague. The Hague no longer allows the death penalty. If they were charged with war crimes at home.. they would be facing the possibility.
ANyway, we regulars really should consider advance swarming the Senate Judiciary Committee this week.. with questions we want asked and answered by Holder, imo.
Conyers has legislation to create a commission. There is only $3million in funding for it though
We should definitely harrass over Holder.
You mean internationally, like at the Hague? I don’t think they have a S of L
“House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) unveiled a bill on Tuesday that would create a commission to investigate questionable policies of the Bush administration, including torture and wiretapping programs.
Named the National Commission on Presidential War Powers and Civil Liberties, the panel comprise “experts outside government service” who would review the Bush administration’s “claims of unreviewable war powers.”
The panel would have subpoena power and a budget of $3 million.
Talking Points Memo said it “sounds like a great idea,” but asks why the bill has only 10 co-sponsors, including Conyers, and wonders why it has garnered little support so far from Congressional leadership.
“I’d wager that it has a lot to do with the Democratic majority’s desire to turn the page on the Bush years and begin pressing on with an Obama agenda designed to showcase its ability to govern,” the article states.
President-elect Barack Obama has also revealed a plan for investigating President Bush’s alleged abuses of power that has already gained currency in Washington.
Obama’s plan does not rule out prosecution, but delays it until all facts can be ascertained.
Some in the Obama camp feel the commission would amount to “bullshit” and that Bush officials should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.”…
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/….._0110.html
…Just realized that is old news…but still…Mo Money!!!
My dysphoria honors the dysphoria in you….
Well…there’s always Bugliosi’s idea..considering prisoners have died as a result of their policies…
I know, I know…he’s a crackpot…blah, blah…I got so knocked down for even mentioning his book one day…
Oh well.
Digg Has been opened! Help spread the word “Prosecute Bush”
a crackpot, mentioned here? NO!
You know what? It actually never crossed my mind. But now that it has, I’m doubling up my desire that there be a thorough exorcism of demon spirits in the White House before the Obamas move into it. And I don’t even believe in that stuff!
It was over at EW actually. LOL
a “simple criss cross applesauce” will do!
Like this?
LOL. I had forgotten about this. Yes! Like this!!
I think the nation ought to grow up and act like the good folk in Illinois who stood their ground and impeached their chief executive for being a crook.
These confessions over the air waves, these slights of Obama over staying away from the offical executive quarters, and these endless “I stood my ground” proclamations are designed to rub it in to Obama’s face and into the face of every law abiding American. And it is our Democratic representatives who don’t question whether they should bend over, they just ask how far.
Woo-hoo! I just got a call from my congressman! I’m going to the swearing-in!
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COngratulations! Hope you have a wonderful time.
Okay, that is immensely cool. Our eyes and ears at the inaguration. Live blogging! Congrats!!
pardon my budm (oops – tha was supposed to be “dumb”), but what’s a “S o L”?
You guys are crackin me up
You guys are crackin me up
Statute of Limitations
or
Statue of Liberty
I was invited for Kissell. Will be there in spirit.
The bed is on my foot
S of L = Statute of limitiations
Shitload of Legislators
Yu WILL liveblog it won’t you?
{{{spewing}}}
Hee hee! I don’t want to lug my laptop, but I’ll see if I can borrow an Internet-capable phone.
I opened the DIGG.
Can someone help me with a problem? I highlight the URL at DIGG but when I right click to ‘copy’ the highlight disappears. This happens on both Firefox and Internet Explorer.
Thanks
pup34
Booyah!!
What an incredible opportunity to witness history!
No problem here with IE, which doesn’t help you one bit, does it?!
LHP, I want to get back to the warm and loving Dick Cheney, who as recently as this week assured us he is in no way a Darth clone. Who, exactly, needs to move on this? Whose responsibility/opportunity is it? I just can’t get my tiny mind around the notion that no one is taking this ball and running with it. It is the most egregious (sorry, E) neener neener I have ever, ever seen. The bastard is double dog daring someone to come after him. WTF??
LHP. What would be the motive for both Dick and W to come right out and acknowledge their responsibility for authorizing torture on the teevee right now? Are they setting themselves up for an ultimate constitutional argument about presidential and 4th Estate powers in case someone goes after them…oh yeah, and let’s not forget Addington, Fielding, and Yoo.. Other than that, I can see no logical reason for anyone to advise them to confess on film for posterity to this…or…did their legal advisors throw them to the dogs, and they ate the advise hook, line, and (hopefully) sinker. Go figure…
prosecution is the only way to regain our standing in the world.
we used to be the good guys. :[
FWIW…I’m suspicious of Cheney’s…”We still have a few days”…He was referring to the capture of OBL…but still…
as usual I love your posts looseheadprop
I am hoping twolf can photoshop into that picture up top;
“torture kills Americans”
“torture causes more terrorism”
“torture impedes information”
“torture helps our enemies”
“torture makes us the evil doers”
“torture prevents success”
oh I could go on forever…anyone have a really good one to photoshop in that “torture is wrong”?
That’s my take as well. When David and I were in Scotland/Ireland et al a while back, people there were incredulous that the United States of America (a) elected and then re-elected the Boob Bush; and (b) that the United States of America appears to be turning a blind eye (actually, a whole legislative chamber of blind eyes) to their crimes.
Well, if I were on the Senate Judicary committee, I would have bunch of Questions for Holder during his confirmetion. I personally support Conyers commssion idea b/c if the commission uncovers an open and shut case, the public mood will be psuhed in the right direction.
It was the revelations that the came out of the Church Committee hearings that drove the public sentiment to impeach Nixon.
We need a public airing.
And, yeah, after 8 years of Congress acting like a big doormat, It’s not surpising that Cheney thinks the capital is a bulding ful of eunichs.
yea and they got no peckers either!
Cheney has gotten away with all kind of stuff for years now, just by doing this confrontational, in your face, I dare you to do soemthig about schtick.
It’s worked for him, why wouldn’t he keep using it
yup, policies of torture turn us into the rogue, turns the sympathisers into adversaries, moderates into radicals, radicals into heroes
it turns every family member and every friend of the person tortured into a new terrorist,it keeps us from getting valuable information it wastes valuable time and assets persuing information that is not nearly as accurate or meaningful
and it keeps sympathisers from volunteering information that might prevent an event, who on the planet would take a chance with a country that tortures whoever they “think” has information?
nobody that’s who
they have won the war of words, they have made it so people actually believe we get something from torture we wouldn’t have gotten without it when in fact the reverse is true
It would have to be teeny weeny typr to put all that onto the banner
But in classic confirmationus interruptus mode, they always seem to pull out just when it’s time to consummate the deal. (How crass that was!)
bingo…it’s like “hide it right under their nose and don’t be ashamed of it”
that’s his strategy
looseheadprop, could you do me a favor and search youtube for “fisa camps”?
first and second video are really alarming and I’d like to see some publicity on it…beware, it is really frightening stuff
question number 1) Is waterboarding torture?
question number 2) Please explain in detail what is the AG’s responsibility under International Law to investigate and prosecute government officials for crimes in violation of the geneva conventions, laws of war and our own statutes?
I was searching for the one line that would say it nicely, I can’t seem to get it just right
one of those, any of them would be pretty effective
Torture with the “no” slash through it, and then:
Because it’s wrong!
(0r)
Because it’s illegal!
(or)
Because it’s immoral!
Question number .5:
Define torture.
“Waterboarding” is WAY too benign a word for what’s being done, these people are drowned and revived and even our most highly trained cia can withstand the torture for a few seconds
it is ‘water torture’ and that’s what it should be called, “waterboarding” should NOT be the word democrats use, they should use terms like “drowing a person and bringing them back to life”
I think every single democrat should present the in every conversation;
“if we waterboarded cheney or bush, how long do you think it would take for them to say it was torture and that they are criminals?…and when they do say while being waterboarded that they have tortured and are criminals, do you think that testimony is valuable?”
watch the interviewer squirm with that question
the moral reasons against torture aren’t quite good enough, torture harms us and that’s the way it needs to be discussed along with the moral implications but not without the ramifications to go with those moral implications
Being seen as a rogue nation makes us less safe.
everyone should watch these youtubes about the “fema camps”;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpXh7DCptaQ
I’m for both, selise. Great thinking!
Apart from torture equating moral bankruptcy, the part I rarely see mentioned (at least as a footnote) is that we have opened the door to placing Americans in the hands of torturers and there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it. Or so it seems to me.
i just want a repeat of the question mukasey had so much trouble with. can holder do better? if not, then kick his ass out of the committee hearing room right then and there.
ymmv. *g*
here is a perfect example, given to you from ko himself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99CPj4dtvmY
Actually, Barbara, you may have helped me. Do you use I/E 2 or 3?
When I/E was hacked it screwed up my internet capabilities, so I dropped back from I/E 3 to 2. Guess I’ll have to try 3 again. Thanks.
Well today Obama called waterboarding torture. He seemed to be suspending judgment on everything else though.
This reminds me of this exchange once again.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..ript1.html
it’s been said obama plays pretty good poker, I am hoping that is the case here
You are right.
He’s gotten away with it, because he puts on the “run silent, run deep” BS…I’m just a patriotic American saving you and your children, and I’ll do anything to save America…anything. Then the public gets confused and begins to believe his crooked smile…oh yeah, and that is while he is forking everyone in the world via Halliburton or KBR or as VP…The man is a Madman! Go back and see who he was as a young man…a rogue…selfish and greedy and without conscience…his directions have bound, tortured, and killed. BTK type. Psychopathic criminal mind.
At some point Obama has to deliver on his promises and I don’t see it happening. I don’t even see a glimmer of it happening.
Can’t say it makes much sense. But it’s like they are choosing to trigger something – like the running of the Statute of Limitations – before the end of their admin.
Perhaps the ever-obliging Mr Addington has developed yet another creative theory.
if i put on my “hope” hat, it’s a little bit of progress. haven’t listened to the interview yet though.
we need another george washington – someone who can be clear on the issue of torture and someone who can willingly give up power.
the next 6 months will be critical.
Does this sicken you? Really and truly and thoroughly? I just want to hurl when I see things like this. What hath the United States of America wrought?
hope everyone knows there’s an invisible snark tag at the end of that comment.
Ah, Friedmania.
and there’s a thread with ko right up top of the lake, go have a look
That is the hope I’m hangin’ onto. I believe he has an extremely clear understanding of the history of the fate of his family’s ancestors…not to mention the first-hand understanding of injustice from his life and from his work in Chicago.
I expect some bluff and poker face from him. To play against the powers that be and have “been”..you better have some cojones…I’m sure he has them and they have migrated to his brain.
If I’m disappointed eventually, so be it, but right now…I think he’s playing it just right. He can change things eventually over time. He just needs to survive and outsmart those that don’t want him to.
DING Ding ding dingd ding
Selise wins tonight’s prize
Is there any distinction between the President’s ability to effectively pardon known crimes v. unknown crimes?
I second.
Thanks for the links, perris. Watched the first, must wait a while before trying the second. This is horrible.
Goes right along with an article I saved about stationing that army unit on American soil for assistance in crowd control. Last paragraph was a statement by Gen’l Tommy Franks that if we were ‘hit’ again it would probably mean we would have to scrap the Constitutional form of government and the country would be governed by the military. I’ll have to find the link. (If anyone wants it)
of course I would like to see that link
EDITED BY MODERATOR
Obama, using the same sort of arcane strategery as, say, a poker player? But he’s STUPID, don’t ya get it? Just look at his acronym — PEBO! It’s ridiculous! Do you really think PEBO could be that smart?
No. The answer must be that, like any real politician, he means exactly what he says! That despite walking the tightrope of a Presidential campaign, he leads with his chin again and again and puts all his cards on the table at all times, especially before he even takes office!! Of course! Not just a sellout, an idiot sellout.
Forget it, LS. give it up now. Democracy is dead, meet the old boss same as the old boss, the sky is falling, and How Dare You Tell Us To STFU You Poopyhead. Progressives have been fucked once more, even more efficiently since it’s before the guy’s even enacted a single policy! Pre-emption, how Bushian! Meet the new — oh, said that already.
For an idiot, he sure is efficient. PEBO PEBO PEBO!
~~~ModNote: Direct your fire at opposition to a policy, and do not direct it at fellow commenters.~~~
Agreed. He gave up power. He also served as President before there were political parties.
That’s why Obama should honor the First President quickly with a simple symbolic gesture:
restore the name of DC’s airport to Washington National Airport.
Republicans can spray paint their leader’s name on something else less important.
Yeah, but they had the advantage of PatFitz lodging a criminal complaint.
Do you suppose the House might act differently if Pelosi was confronted with a Criminal complaint by Fitz against Bush or Cheney?
Thanks, LHP; I’m going to spotlight this and your first installment.
Bob in HI
Or: a criminal complaint against Pelosi?
“No…I’m saying if the President does it…its Not illegal.”
- Richard Fixon
Also note that a major part of the crime was faking the legal justication for it.
I am sure there have been many cases of torture in the past where it was either “we wont get caught” or we have to do it and if we get caught “so be it”.
In this case 5 deferment and drunk grounded fly boy are to afraid so they magic up some legal/constitutional perversion.
“Cheney has gotten away with all kind of stuff for years now…”
Decades.
I am convinced they said: the only limit on the power of the president is self-imposed and we are not going to limit ourselves in ANY way. If they want us they will have to come get us. I am sure they went beyond that in Nixon fashion (various coverups, spying on enemies and allies to make sure they stay in line, I am sure there is some few 100 billion that went astray or was misdirected, etc).