Tonight, from the Independent:
The Israeli embassy in central London turned into a battleground yesterday evening as police and demonstrators clashed following a pro-Palestinian rally…. In London, 13 people were taken to hospital following increasingly violent scuffles between police and protesters, and scores more were treated at the scene. The trouble began when protesters hurled shoes at the US embassy, in the spirit of Iraqi journalist Muntadar al-Zaidi, who threw his shoes at George Bush in protest at his "war crimes".
"The spirit" of Muntadar al-Zaidi — quite a phrase. Most of us don’t get a "spirit" named for ourselves. But then, his was quite a remarkable act of protest — probably the single most memorable act of individual symbolic protest against the American presence in Iraq. And one with a life of its own, with consequences and resonances far outstripping whatever was in al-Zaidi’s mind the moment he threw the shoes: it’s bound up with everything from violence in London to stupid Internet games to tongue-in-cheek protests in America to asinine wingnut faux-outrage at the impolite horror of it all.
But then, as I noted at the time, there is more to the shoe-throwing than just the act itself. I think that the way the shoe-thrower, al-Zaidi, has been treated, and the way Americans have responded to his treatment, reveals more than the act itself.
Because we seem to have forgotten him, whether we liked what he did (that would be most of us) or we did not. Because while what he did surely had its comical side, to him, it was not at all a joke. And even if it were then, it is now, because he has been in jail ever since, without being charged for anything, has probably been beaten or tortured, and seems to be facing some perfectly ridiculous charge of "insulting a foreign leader," which carries a two-year sentence. And while his fate still seems to be a matter of concern in Iraq, in the US, and elsewhere? Not much.
But it always seemed to me that it was wrong to see the shoe-throwing as a joke, or an outrage. What it was, was a test. A test of American values. I mean, for me, my most cherished freedom is the right to get right to get up right in one of my leader’s faces and tell that sonfabitch exactly what I think of him, or her. If we are not a nation of shoe-throwers, what the hell good are we? What the hell is the point of America otherwise? But the corollary of freedom is that it is defended. And that those who exercise it ought to be protected. And al-Zaidi was, whatever else you may say of him, a free human being when he threw those shoes, even if he’s not now, and we as a nation don’t seem to respect that.
Last month I argued that Geroge W. Bush should publicly forgive Muntadar al-Zaidi. He hasn’t, living down to all my expectations of him. But we already knew that fucker is a lousy American. But that does not mean that al-Zaidi should be so easily forgotten. We don’t need to like his shoe throwing, but haven’t some of us died to give him that right, according, at least, to the Official Story? What do those deaths mean, anyhow, if he’s in jail for the freedoms we supposedly sent our men and women to die to give him?
Or is that a question too tasteless to ask?




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What is the sentence for an American leader insulting the world?
standing on chair clapping
exactly, thers.
Thers, thank you.
If a journalist hurled a couple shoes at Bush during a press conference here in the U.S., there’s a good chance he/she would get roughed up while being arrested. They probably wouldn’t be tortured but I wouldn’t be surprised if they received a prison sentence completely out of proportion to the crime. Squeaky Fromme has served 33 years (so far) for pointing a gun at Gerald Ford and never fired a shot. Throwing a shoe would probably be good for at least ten years in the pen.
dugg
Evening all.
Hey Suz, Siun. It’s bugged me we (not so much FDL but the West) have forgotten this guy, apparently…
I think we have seen what the sentence is…nothing.
((Barbara))
I was just going to ask about this. I don’t watch TV, so I don’t know the answer to this, but has any media darling or political pundit of note stood up for this man? Suzanne is right, Thers. You nailed this one.
Y’all better?
No, he’s gone into the memory hole. I mean it was a whole MONTH ago!
(Bitter sarcasm)
Bravo, sir, bravo!
Hey Thers.
I’m torn.
My heart tells me to throw either clown shoes or my old sweaty Dr. Scholls inserts.
But mt wallet tells me to go down to (Dawg help me) WalMart and get 3 for $5 flop-flops to chuck.
This form of protest is indeed what we’re meant to exhibit – ridicule, scorn, and the ballot box that follows.
I’m sure our Congress, always interested in the good fight, will take up Mr. al-Zaidi’s case and press for maximum Freedom™ and Liberty™.
A month is actually a very long time for the attention span of our esteemed MSM and, unfortunately, many of our fellow citizens.
Y’know, we Americans don’t much like to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations…
I’m thinking that if we throw slippers, Pajamas Media might cover it.
The only way he could have held the attention of our MSM would be to hire Lindsey Lohan as his attorney.
{{{snort!}}}
I think Ratfood may be right…hurling insults during a press confrence would have been more appropriate. He did throw hard and twice to hurt Bush. What is right about that? No we did not fight for the right to throw things at people we don’t like.
The alleged war crimes that Bush did should be tried by an International court not by throwing shoes at a press conference.
I don’t think you want to try that line on the Panamanians, Haitians, Venezuelans, or Palestinians, just to name a few recent examples.
I see your point. But al-Zaidi does not deserve to be tortured for what he did. Hidden away, lost from view, and tortured.
Hee hee.
I still have this ridiculous idea we’ll all remember stuff like what America is supposed to mean, someday…
The point I was trying to make is that the punishment would have been harsher than necessary even if the “crime” had occurred here in the U.S.. The abuse and injury purportedly suffered by Muntadar al-Zaidi is reprehensible and certainly not something that should occur in an allegedly free and democratic society. It certainly appears to contradict our post-WMD rationalization for removing Saddam from power.
No kidding. I have come to feel about my country the way some parent feel about a kid who’s always in trouble. “I love ya, but you sure don’t make it easy!”
If he had just insulted Bush, he would still have been arrested. That’s the charge — “insulting a foreign leader.”
Anyhow as an American I’d prefer to err on the side of freedom. Surely the leader of the free world ought to do so.
Frankly I think he displayed admirable restraint under the circumstances. In his position, I would likely have hurled something far more lethal.
Thers, I don’t know how to deal with your not trying to be funny.
A million years ago in the NBA, a guy named Bill Laimbeer had a rep for dirty play, sometimes resulting in injury to players. One injured by Laimbeer was Robert Parish. Seriously injured. The ref’s missed it.
One night, Laimbeer and Parish were on opposing teams and Laimbeer was doing as he usually did, when Parish, without warning, hauled off and decked him. Knocked him out.
The refs swallowed their whistles, didn’t say a word.
Sometimes impolite is the least we can do.
It has always been that way. U.S. history is checkered at best. My great-grandmother was fond of saying love the sinner, hate the sin. We just have to keep striving to make it better.
Well said Thers!
And just the right touch of profanity, IMHO…
A million years ago? Gad, I’m a lot older than I thought.
I remember Laimbeer, chief hitman for the Detroit Thugs. I think he needed and armed escort to get in and out out of the stadium in Chicago (alive anyway).
Anyone know how to get an address to send shoes to W?
He was a gifted thug. Devastating shooter from outside for a big man. But a thug. And had it coming from years of history.
Iraq is a country shredded, squashed. Shoes – bfd.
I’m sure your remember those classic playoffs series between Detroit and Chicago. I haven’t paid any attention to pro basketball since Jordan left the Bulls. Good times.
World’s biggest cry-baby, too.
Which is part of the point. The man wasn’t planting IEDs. Don’t we NEED to engage in some sort of discourse with the people whose idea of anger ends at shoes?
We have to *talk* to the angry Islamic world, not have our proxies to lock them up. We NEED al-Zaidi.
If Bush were a bigger man, he would have picked up the shoes, walked back to the man, and said, “I wish you had just asked a question.”
But he is a small man. Hence the invasion, I suppose…
To throw or not to throw, that is the question;
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The bombs and rockets of outrageous fortune,
Or to take off shoes against a sea of troubles,
And by throwing, end them.
Absolutely…it not about the rule of law in Iraq it is about showing who’s boss and making the punishment so harsh as to be behavioral like Skinner. Culturally a challenge of authority show that the powers that be are weak.
Right and wrong for other cultures is not apples and oranges. The level of inhumane activity has been raised by Iraq and now Gaza.
All forms of cruelty should not be fed energy. Peace. As a peace officer Suz would not beat a detainee..but arrested citizen in SF was shot dead last week by a BART officer. Prisoners are raped daily in USA prisons. None of which is being stopped here. Non Violent demonstrations and civil disobedience are tools to help change if planned intelligently with some legal and PR strategies to right wrongs. Remembers the Beatles advise “…if you talk about destruction you can count be out.”
Oh yes, I’ve recovered. I’m applying for PhD programs and have been in application hell :) so I can’t hang out here as much.
I do indeed. I was an avid fan living in Chicago and watching every game. Haven’t watched since Jordan retired. *sigh*
Oh, I’m never funny. Often the world is, though. I just live in it and sometimes am lucky enough to get to point out how.
Agreed. Al-Zaidi is a reasonable man driven beyond endurance, but still reasonable. If we do not talk with him and others like him, we will have nothing to confront but fanatics committed to death.
Well, I’m thinking we took a great gallumphing run at it in electing Obama. Have been thumbing through a notebook I had with me at last summer’s Take Back American conference in D.C. Anna Burger (SEIU) noted that “Is this progress?” is more important than “Is this perfect?” Ergo (I guess), re: can our country be repaired? I’m not sure. But the greater question is, can we move in that direction? I think we can. And that’s really saying something from my cynical pit.
I’d put money on the WH having received torture tapes on the QT. Shrub could have been compassionate, but it’s not in his dna.
Hey, Wobbs! Good luck on those applications. We do make y’all jump through a lot of hoops before letting you pursue rendering yourself perpetually unemployable. 8-)
Actually, in the White Album version, John sang “-count me out… in,” as if he hadn’t quite made up his mind.
Non-violent protest is definitely the high-road and requires great courage. Gandi and MLK took that route and were martyred in the process.
‘Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish’d.
Ah, thank you DrDick. The hoop jumping will be over (at least to get into school)this week but then I have a few fellowships to apply for (sigh).
Damn Thers!
Spewing wisdom like there’s no tomorrow! You are on a roll, man.
Powering down. Wishing a splendid evening to all.
Miss you very much!
Night, rf. Sleep well.
Mighty glad to, ummm, see you!
Right. I mean, I don’t know this guy from a hole in the ground; maybe he’s a jerk, personally. But so? The USA has lost an entire generation of Muslims in fields like journalism. That’s the point.
I just desperately hope Obama’s election can get some of these people back. Of course, that’s up to the new preznit…
Way past my bedtime. Thanks for letting me hang out with the night crowd! G’nite.
True. Unfortunately, all these sorts of things are settled far above our pay grade. Be nice if they actually consulted us about it once in a while, since they are doing it in our names.
*waving g’nite to the leaving sleepy pups*
Sending people shoes is a lot better than throwing them.
I am going to stress that a verbal insult would have been appropriate. Levels of violence are escalated. Today here a post on the negative effect of “24″ on promoting torture and violent behavior in US troops.
The purpose of the shoe throwing demonstraion was obviously to insite outrage in the viewers. Anyone who has a humanitarian feeling has to already be outraged. We have to stop the violence not feed it. Peace.
And for all the sports violence…the extreme fighters and their audiences think you guys are big pussies. Anger is self indulgence. Solving problems take ratinal levelheaded thinking. I know I am suseptable to anger as a first impunse. That is a poor strategy on my or anyone elses part.
The extremist mind explodes in righeous anger…ie the Fundies, extremists Muslims and neocon Isrealis. Shalom.
A very wise man once said to me, “there are only two things you need to know about grad school. First, how to get into it. Second, how to get out of it.”
To which I’d add, borrow as little as possible. Avoid politics. Work harder than everyone else. Swallow all insults to personal dignity with a smile. Choose all committees on the basis of who will be in your corner, not who has the most star power. Don’t fuck anyone casually who could fuck you over professionally. Remember where you came from and don’t be a dick to anyone who hasn’t read what you have. Always be kind, even to students who don’t deserve it. And, at all times, KEEP YOUR SELF-RESPECT.
My 2 cents.
I fear that, despite my better intentions and instincts, I am not really a completely peaceful person. My inner Okie keeps getting in the way.
Seconded.
Putting ourselves in, pardon this, the shoes of someone in al-Zaidi’s state – what we have done, what he has seen – a fools errand. We will never know how he contained himself as long as he had.
Thank you. I have copied and pasted that into my survival doc.
Time for me to toddle off as well. Good night and good wishes to all.
Actually what you said applies to life outside of school as well. Sage advice.
Evening firepups. Sorry I missed some of those headed for bed.
Boa noite DrDick. Think I will head off and do a little reading.
ola texbetsy
how are you feeling these days?
Hee hee. Be really careful about taking out loans, especially; that whole market might collapse, and then who knows what will happen? I’d also seriously recommend that you figure out what the major journals are in your field and start reading them, if you haven’t yet. Even if you don’t get everything, it will give you a real leg up.
Thers,
Not a question that shouldn’t be asked at all! An excellent question.
Where are the shoes hidden? Let me throw.
Not too bad wobbs. Back in the pool 3x a week. Family life has been insane for the past month though.
How are you?
Great advice. I’m keeping clear of the loans and going the fellowship route (if they will have me). Part of the funding they promise is teaching and research assistantships so I’m keeping clear of the loans. Thanks for the journal suggestions.
Hokay, fading, was at war with toddlers all day & night — we’re all snowed in, gah. Niters.
isn’t it a lot harder to get loans now?
I can’t really complain. I’ll just be glad when the application process is over.
nite thers
g’nite thers
boa noite thers
Sleep well Thers.
Rightio. We all need to send them on the same day.
Wasn’t it in March that the Iraq invasion began? National Shoe Day?
pw upstairs
Thank you for all your work, Thers.
As for me, I haven’t forgotten al-Zaidi. I’m working out legal details of my own situation in the hopes of going public with my story and my campaign against torture, without the comfort of anonymity. I was very much tortured here in the United States, and railroaded on felony charges as a result of my “confession.” I’ve been too frightened to use my own name, but I believe soon my situation will be safe enough to speak out. I can easily say that al-Zaidi’s courage contributed to my drive.
Fuck the people that made all these things happen. Fuck ‘em. I want to see them in jail. I want to see accountability. I want them to face the justice they denied so many innocent people. I pray I will live to see such a thing.
pup34: We should follow the example of the London protesters who threw so many shoes at the American Embassy there. I’d like to see the steps to the U.S. capitol totally covered in shoes in protest of Congress’s overwhelming vote of support for Israel’s assault on Gaza which is inhumane as conducted.
Maybe a better idea would be to show a shoe-throwing logo in our e-mails to congress-critters when protesting proposed or passed legislation, i.e., the recent disgusting vote of support for Israel’s assault on Gaza; bail-outs and terms of same (or lack of); more aid and military arsenals to Israel; stationing of troops on US soil for crowd control; on and on…..
Is a picture in any way a chargeable offense? Gotta watch out for that…
“Oh, I’m never funny. Often the world is, though.”
The world is humorous almost exclusively in a very dark way.