It appears the IDF considers anything and anybody inside Gaza fair game.

So it seems ratfood, so it seems. Especially if they have the capacity to show us what is happening to people inside.

I suppose it was only a matter of time

Offhand, I can’t recall a previous incursion in which the targeting of humanitarian relief workers, journalists, etc. seemed quite so deliberate.

Journalists enjoy protections under international law in military campaigns

Like the IDF gives a shit.

Ah, you forget the bombing of Al Jazeera’s office in Baghdad killing one of their correspondents – and the various attacks on Red Crescent workers across Iraq.

Sadly, this is seen as an effective tactic – and its hard to sort out who first chose it. Similar actions were seen during Israel’s attack on Lebanon as well.

For a quite personal account of the experiences of Gazan reporters, AP correspondent for Gaza, Ibrahim Barzak’s essay is heartbreaking and deserves to be widely read.

yep.

On Tuesday, the only shop I found open was the Shifa pharmacy run by my friend Eyad Sayegh. He’s an Orthodox Christian, and I stopped to wish him a Merry Christmas — Eastern churches celebrate Christmas on Wednesday.

Eyad told me he forgot it was Christmas.

How on earth will we shake our Congress into action?

If American reporters get targeted then they are doing their jobs.

One of the things they learned from the US military in Irak. They seem to adopt bad habits quite readily.

Israel sure loves war crimes. Thanks for your relentless focus on this, Siun.

Sadly, this is seen as an effective tactic – and its hard to sort out who first chose it. Similar actions were seen during Israel’s attack on Lebanon as well.

Sounds like covering up warcrimes will now be called an accident.
Time to play hardball how do we get the Hague interested and investigating?

I was limiting my frame of reference to Israel’s ventures into Palestinian territory.

In regard to the U.S., I tend to assume actions are deliberate but incompetence always remains a possibility. Still not certain which description applies to the attack on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

I wonder if Joe the plumber will go a Palestinian hospital to check out the regular people getting hurt?
I think America should see what WP does to people? Maybe Dr Gupta could explain what it does to flesh.
Then they can explain cluster bombs.

What I heard was that he’ll be reporting online from Israel. PyjamasMedia indeed.

Fool goes into Gaza he’ll get his fool head shot off.

Good point China is getting targeted they won’t buy the accident theory maybe we could line up some UN support? We need to either override America’s veto or get Obama not to veto any UN investigation.

Because when Israel or Karl writes your material you can report in bed with your pajamas?

Who finances Pajamas Media and the rest of the rightwing blogosphere? I doubt they are supported by their viewers.

Our Israeli cousins have learned their neocon war lessons well.

He won’t venture anywhere near Gaza. It’s clear he has no interest in objective reporting.

Or vice versa, since they were pretty good at it before. Two sides of the same coin.

There’s something about having Susan Rice at the UN that bothers me.

Secretary of State Madeline Albright is a longtime mentor and family friend to Rice, who urged Clinton to appoint Rice as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs in 1997

From wiki My bold

Its a Win – Win for the RNC, whether Joe The Plumber survives or not. If he survives – he gets air time. If he gets offed, he gets air time.

Israeli stock exchange from 1,100 to below 700 this year no 5 or 10 year charts. Dang I was wondering how the Bush economy was treating them long term still this is bad.
I wonder if the Israeli Neoclowns are saying Nobody coud have forseen the Stock market dropping so much if we invaded.

http://www.tase.co.il/TASEEng/Homepage.htm

McClatchy’s Dion Nissenbaum blogged today about the press’s ongoing battle to get into Gaza. I haven’t time to listen to Roy Gutman on NPR, to whom he links. (Gutman is the Foreign Editor for McC–overseeing many dif. bureaus–and a very fine human being. Anything he has to say is worth listening to, imo).

I can’t help thinking that the way the US lied, cheated and got away with murder in Iraq has been well studied by others….Another reason for war crimes investigation.

Thanks for all you do Siun.

They are indeed a macabre bunch.

The GOP needs Joe as their symbol of the Common Man…in their own image.
Still as a media creation he is replaceable.

Digg it.

From Barzak’s otherwise sobering and evocative article, this, to me, struck an odd note:

Of the presidential office overlooking the sea, only a few walls remain. For many Gazans it was a symbol of our statehood, even though President Mahmoud Abbas, who also heads the Fatah movement, hasn’t been there since Hamas seized control of the territory in June 2007.

I suppose they did seize control of the territory, but wasn’t that after being democratically elected? I dunno, it just seems weird to me, that a Palestinian journalist would phrase it this way.

Of course, the mainstream media loves to leave that fact out, since it complicates their whole “Hamas is a terrorist organization” theme. I wonder if Barzak was edited in this instance?

Caribou Barbie would be so heartbroken she’d start scorin’ oxy from Levi’s mom.

Yes, seconded. Seems the PR war is now incorporated in modern warfare.

Gideon Levy of Haaretz writes eloquently and movingly on 1.9.09:

The unbridled aggression and brutality are justified as “exercising caution”: the frightening balance of blood – about 100 Palestinian dead for every Israeli killed, isn’t raising any questions, as if we’ve decided that their blood is worth one hundred times less than ours, in acknowledgement of our inherent racism.

To Shavit, who defended the justness of this war and insisted that it mustn’t be lost, the price is immaterial, as is the fact that there are no victories in such unjust wars. And he dares, in the same breath, to preach “humaneness.”

Does Shavit wish for us to kill and kill, and afterward to set up field hospitals and send medicine to care for the wounded? He knows that a war against a helpless population, perhaps the most helpless one in the world, that has nowhere to escape to, can only be cruel and despicable. But these people always want to come out of it looking good. We’ll drop bombs on residential buildings, and then we’ll treat the wounded at Ichilov; we’ll shell meager places of refuge in United Nations schools, and then we’ll rehabilitate the disabled at Beit Lewinstein. We’ll shoot and then we’ll cry, we’ll kill and then we’ll lament, we’ll cut down women and children like automatic killing machines, and we’ll also preserve our dignity.

Link to full article: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054158.html

Arguably, the RNC would benefit more if Joe TP were killed in Gaza. If that happens, they can roll out the entire pseudo-patriotic terra-fightin’ PR machine in his honor – with a Reagan funeral that lasts for days.

Then they can all ponder, tv pundits included, what a fine President he would have made – Joe The President.

He couldn’t get that printed in the US if his life depended on it.

There’s someone in history that is parallel to that scenario. Now it’ll drive me crazy tryin’ to remember who, when and where.

I’m sure Joe the Plumber will make sure everything goes smoothly over there in Gaza and will most likely send out propaganda to convince everyone that everything is fine and Israel is winning.

Caia, I noticed that as well. Of course we don’t know which party Barzak supports.

Thanks Peony – Gideon Levy has been astonishing.

Just catching up with this thread, and trying to figure out how to say what you said so well here. The U.S. no longer occupies high moral ground. The “Do as we say, not as we do” must be grating on global nerves.

There’s some sense in which such attitudes describe the U.S. in regards to Iraq, as well. Except we don’t cry much for the Iraqis.

Of all the rotten luck, all the disasters now occurring in Gaza are manmade – by us. Aid cannot be offered with bloodstained hands. Compassion cannot sprout from brutality.

Yet there are some who still want it both ways. To kill and destroy indiscriminately and also to come out looking good, with a clean conscience.

Sounds like… not the Bush administration… but their apologists.

True. I guess if he’s a hardcore Fatah supporter, this description might make sense. (I’d draw an analogy to the U.S., except Bush wasn’t actually democratically elected, so it falls apart. :p)

after the assassination of reinhardt heydrich, the nazis destroyed lidice. lekazy. left nothing standing. left no one alive.

so, the israeli jews have adopted the nazi point of view. a zero sum game.

bush, obama – both owned by the israeli blackmailing apparat, will be quite comfortable with the extermination of all the palestinians. it is the final solution.

and so many governments will be so happy as to no longer deal with this dilemma.

it is the reality that no one wants to recognize. all of the world’s governments want the palestinians to disappear.

and israel has said, OK…we can make that happen. will make that happen.

and better still for them, they got a “get out of den haag free” card for this mission that they have taken on behalf of the zionist/gangster-controlled governments of the world.

Common man, yes. In their own image, no.

I’d be surprised if Joe follows through with the trip. Unlikely that he owns a passport. If anything, he’ll do his reporting from a U.S. studio standing in front of a projected backdrop, ala The Daily Show but without the humor.

The reichwingnuts at PJTV will ensure he has all he needs. The RNC needs all the help they can get. bwahahahahahahahahaha

What about the press in the EU? Yet, the world tolerates this situation in Gaza. Bob Simon, in his recent interview with Charlie Rose, talked about living in Tel Aviv. No one talks about Gaza there.

On a personal level, I find Gaza very confronting of my own intolerance and condescension reading the views of people who justify the war and accept it because innocent people always die in war. How does one feel the rage and pain, not denying it’s there, but without lashing out at people? I suppose it requires being self aware and being very present in the moment.

Be fun if they got his backdrops mixed up. There’s Joe standing in front of Apollo astronauts hopping around on the moon.

I had that “Capricorn One” feeling, too.

You’re dating yourself with that reference. Saw it in the theater myself. Surprised OJ didn’t win an Oscar…

Yes, the “winning hearts and minds” while committing acts of spectacular violence and terror all the while. The two situations are exactly parallel.

Kind of a broad indictment, considering that one would have to be both a fortune teller and a vicious bigot to reckon it.

Terrorist recruiting is enjoying a “surge” as the batteries that are shelling a Palestinian ghetto, the air bombing raids and the naval bombardment are shown to Muslim radicals throughout the world.
Isreal has deliberately antagonized the global terror community.
I remember when Arafat’s headquarters was destroyed.
Like race baiting against people of color…Isreal is ready to destroy any muslim population. Pounding Isreali border towns is also contemptable.
Two wrongs don’t make it right. Theblame game will only exacerbate the fire like pouring gasoline to put out a fire. All of these actions are violent. For the sake of their omn people Hamas needs to stop the rocket fire into Isreal then Isreal will have to stop this genocide.
The USA is very stupid to be complicit in this atrocity. As Barbara said we have lost the moral high ground…an important diplomatic tool and a great PR tool.

*sigh* I still hold onto hope that cooler more rational heads will prevail.

thers upstairs

(((wobblybits))) Hi!

((Barbara)) just in case your still down here

Israel is practising the big lie with a vengeance. They had to invade. They were terribly threatened. Hamas wished to destroy them. They are being very careful. They are avoiding civilians casualties. Hamas are terrorists and don’t respect human life. Israeli bombs are accurate. A UN school was being used by Hamas. They’ll investigate the killing of those 30 civilians. They will let reporters into Gaza to report. They don’t know how those UN drivers got shot. They are giving 3 hour pauses for humanitarian reasons. etc., etc., etc.

The truth is this is a vicious, murderous shoot’em up staged as a campaing stunt on an essentially defenseless civilian population whose threat to Israel is not from inaccurate and largely ineffective missiles but from its population growth rate.

There is no strategic plan here. If there were there would not be all these different phases. The Israelis bomb. Kadima’s poll numbers go up. But both Hamas and rockets are still there. So they talk it over and go in on the ground. Hamas and rockets are still there. So they talk it over so more and announce even a bigger onslaught into civilian areas. Now this is all portrayed in the media as part of the Israeli plan but I’m sorry but this is like no strategic plan I ever heard of. What for example are the goals of these different phases? Why are there talks after each one, to discuss Kadima’s poll numbers? In phase one, we shoot ‘em up. In phase two, we shoot ‘em some more. This is followed by phase three where we shoot ‘em even more. What this tells me is that other than shooting up a civilian population the Israelis have no strategy, or at least no military one. A strategy is supposed to get you something or somewhere but this gets the Israelis nothing except in so far as it improves Kadima’s poll numbers.

The U.S. no longer occupies high moral ground.

Understatement.

The truth is this is a vicious, murderous shoot’em up staged as a campaing stunt on an essentially defenseless civilian population whose threat to Israel is not from inaccurate and largely ineffective missiles but from its population growth rate.

Yes, the birth rate among Palestinians is a problem for the Israelis. What may be another lie is the smuggling of weapons through the tunnels. I heard an interview recently – can’t remember the name – where the person interviewed had been in the region years ago. He qualified his response by saying he hadn’t been there recently but was skeptical that weapons were still being smuggled.

You may be right. If you are, I don’t know what’s worse, what Israel is doing or the whole world watching and failing to stop it.

Albright is not alone; she is just one of many US politicians who have killed millions, directly or indirectly, and not lost a moments sleep over it. As more and more documents are released via the internet, it becomes abundantly clear that the US has exported terror, death, and destruction around the world for many many years. Accept that these death dealing war mongers have influence over Obama; listen to what they advise now. More of the same, or change?

Sharing advice for the next President of the United States
Former Secretaries of State consulted the future U.S. President

First the former State Secretaries were asked to figure out a recipe for the future American President to help him restore the U.S. image damaged by the war in Iraq and the scandals over the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prisons. “American Embassies (even in London) look like fortresses. In the countries regarded as our allies – Egypt, India, and Pakistan – only 22% of the population treat the U.S. positively. 70% of Turks consider the U.S. an unfriendly state,” moderator Christiane Amanpour said with indignation. Answering her question about restoring respect for America in the world, Madeleine Albright, James A. Baker III and Warren Christopher replied almost simultaneously, “Close the Guantanamo.”

For his part, Colin Powell opines it’s high time America admitted the obvious: in recent years the East’s economies have bolstered, thus their political impact in the world has boosted. According to Mr Powell, there is nothing to fear, and these countries need to be engaged in addressing such matters as the war in Iraq, the Middle-East conflict settlement, as well as the Iranian and South Korean nuclear programs.
“We should not seek popularity in the world,” Madeleine Albright took over the initiative. “I don’t care whether they love America or not. The key thing is they should respect us and want to work with us.”

Kissinger-Primakov Strategic Vision Group, stressed that the U.S. is interested in cooperation with Russia in the following spheres: the Iranian issue, the situation in Pakistan, nuclear weapons non-proliferation and the energy sector.

“The next President should find opportunities to cooperate with Russia. We should not base on the footage you showed us only. Russia is no democratic state, but it will never be the same again either (as it was in the Soviet times – Kommersant),” Dr Kissinger concluded.

The five former State secretaries acknowledged that it was Georgia that unleashed the recent conflict in the Caucasus, but Russia’s reaction was too harsh.

The Russians acted brutally and foolishly, to my mind. However, Russia’s reaction was quite predictable. And now Russia appears the offender,” Colin Powell said. “Russia may not determine whether Ukraine and Georgia will join NATO or not. But we must anticipate Russia’s reaction. Russia does have its interests, and it thinks we have been interfering in is backyard for a couple of years provided NATO’s expansion and deploying the American AMD system in Poland and the Czech Republic.

According to NATO’s fifth article, if at least one NATO member is attacked, the entire alliance is thought attacked,” Colin Powell replied noting that in this case it is not necessary to send troops – you’d better use economic and political levers. On the whole, in his view, you should take account of the fact that Russia is a country “that lost its pride, then regained it, and the government there is extremely popular with the people”.

The five former Secretaries of State were unanimous over Iran regardless of their party membership.

“What should we fear?” Colin Powell asked. “I had negotiated with them up to 2003, and then everything stopped. We should start talks with Iranians at the low level. And gradually, the level will be increased.”

“I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we – we know we’re dealing with authentic,” Henry Kissinger continued. “We should make sure our counterparts know what results we expect. It’s not about the Iranian nuclear program only. We need to know how much time we have.”

“We should engage in a dialogue with the states we have problems with,” Madeleine Albright summed it up.

http://www.kommersant.com/p102…..the_press/

So?

All in the family? The teenagers in Wasilla said that her son was into Oxycotin, amongst other things. Teens do tend to know what each other is doing, especially in such a small town. Cariboo Barbie likes to kill caribou so much that it is rather strange that she doesn’t care that ANWR drilling will destroy the cariboo calving areas. Add this to the list of reasons that she was selected to run for VP and now for President in 2012. Because it is late, I am going OT here..taking advantage of you mentioning CB.

Beware Pyjamas Media; they were one of the first to start promoting Palin in 2007 and they are still doing it now. Joe is very much connected to the ‘Palin for 2012′ movement that started on Nov. 5/08. All the websites that supported her for VP, simply changed to support her for President. That is why he is being put out front in the MSM; he is part of the effort to keep her in the public eye.

Some of the links connected with the articles are no longer working. The map of the area is available when you click on thememoryhole link. When you look at the list of anti environment plans, it is glaringly obvious that these plans were all there before puppet man was elected..make that..selected. Some of the anti environmental laws in this list are now being signed by Bush on his way out the door.

Deleted Government Map of
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

The above map was deleted from a United States Geological Survey Website in March 2001.

From “Federal Worker Is Fired in Wildlife Refuge Map Flap” by Lisa Getter, Los Angeles Times, 15 March 2001:

Last week, Ian Thomas posted a map on a U.S. government Web site of the caribou calving areas in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, an area the Bush administration wants to open up for oil exploration. This week, Thomas is looking for a new job.

“I’m really flabbergasted,” Thomas said Wednesday. “After putting out 20,000 maps with no problem and then putting out one where baby caribou like to hang out, I got fired.” Thomas, a contract employee for the U.S. Geological Survey’s Patuxent Wildlife Research Center in Maryland, says he is a victim of politics. His offense: drawing attention to wildlife that might be affected by drilling.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/anwr-map.htm

March 31, 2001

Missing Maps and Bush’s War on the Environment
by Royce Carlson

Earlier this month Ian Thomas, a map maker for U.S. Geological Survey’s Patuxent Wildlife Research Center, posted a map of the caribou calving areas in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge on the U.S.G.S. web site. As a result he got fired. His offense: drawing attention to wildlife that might be affected by drilling.

The web pages were immediately taken offline but Ian managed to save copies of the maps and now they are posted on a private web site at http://www.maptricks.com along with information about his work and his firing by the U.S. government. He is a minor casualty in the Bush administration’s propaganda campaign for his war on the environment. Already Bush is planning tremendous damage to our air, water and wild lands:

* He has canceled efforts to decrease the amount of arsenic in our drinking water.
* He is repealing laws that protect the environment from pollution by the activities of mining.
* He wants to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge even though there is only a six-month supply of oil that will not affect U.S. oil prices in the least and won’t be able to deliver a drop for 10 years.
* He wants to explore for oil, gas, and coal under other National Monuments in the lower 48 states and is proposing changing the rules for national monuments to allow this.
* He wants to reverse recent laws protecting roadless areas in some of our national forests.
* He is canceling a U.S. commitment to the world community by refusing to cut carbon dioxide emissions by even 5%. Since the U.S. produces 25% of all greenhouse gases it would be an important contribution to the slowing of global warming but the Bush administration won’t do it in spite of mounting pressure from Europe and Japan to honor the commitment.

All this and he has only been in office for two months! This guy must be stopped.

http://www.zenzibar.com/Articles/missingmaps.asp

Yes they do and they are organizing to get it. I hope that links to PJ’s site doesn’t cause the FDL server to go up in flames..’g’. Know thy enemy and what their game plan is.

Rebuilding the GOP — One Internet User at a Time

If the RNC adopts the principles as outlined on RebuildtheParty.com, we can build a more active coalition of right-leaning Americans who want to make a difference. We will have the opportunity to reclaim the “party of ideas” and “party of the people” mantles, and create a culture of competition.

Our work won’t stop with the RNC. The nearly 10,000 people who have joined our efforts have a tougher mission ahead. Based on my conversations with U.S. House and Senate staff, efforts like Rebuild the Party are being noticed, and we should expect more of a say in the policy and strategic direction of our party. If not, we now have a platform to agitate for change.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/r…..-a-time/2/

Yes they do. I hope that linking to PJ’s site does not cause a meltdown of FDL’s server…’g’. Know thy enemy..they are organizing.

Rebuilding the GOP — One Internet User at a Time

How new media can save the Republican Party.

The next RNC chairman will have a considerable amount of power; they make decisions about money: what political programs to sponsor and which elections to effect.

With five out of six candidates for RNC chairman endorsing the plan: Chip Saltsman, Saul Anuzis, Ken Blackwell, Michael Steele, and current RNC chairman Mike Duncan, chances are pretty high that the next RNC chairman will share the ideas and follow the guidelines as outlined on the site. (Only Katon Dawson has not endorsed the plan.)

If the RNC adopts the principles as outlined on RebuildtheParty.com, we can build a more active coalition of right-leaning Americans who want to make a difference. We will have the opportunity to reclaim the “party of ideas” and “party of the people” mantles, and create a culture of competition.

Based on my conversations with U.S. House and Senate staff, efforts like Rebuild the Party are being noticed, and we should expect more of a say in the policy and strategic direction of our party. If not, we now have a platform to agitate for change.

http:http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/r…..-a-time/2/

Darn…mod…can you erase one of these? I forgot to hit refresh..bah..

Thank you, siun. Here is my comment at the DIGG:

pup34: In targeting journalists inside Gaza and refusing to allow any foreign journalists inside Gaza, the rulers of Israel are following the Bush/Cheny policy in Iraq where eleven journalists were killed in 2008 even though overall deaths in Iraq declined. This is Cheney’s rule from ‘the dark side’.

The Israel Defense Forces (in truth the Israel Assault Forces) have ignored their own Supreme Court’s rule to allow journalists into Gaza,. The IDF and U.S. pawns who rule Israel have totally ignored the UN Security Council’s demand for a cease-fire.

IMO, Israel has become a rogue state using the rogue administration in America as its weapon to eliminate the Palestinian people in Gaza and acquire their land and resources.

We in America must demand that our government stop all aid and military arms and equipment to Israel until they agree to a cease-fire and acceptance of the UN’s determinations.
pup34

I knew nothing of Susan Rice before this. If she is M. Allbright #2, then I have no use for her! Allbright said that the harsh sanctions on Iraq during Clinton’s administration were right, and the starvation of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis was ‘worth it’.

All of the less than best appointments by Obama is starting me to wonder: Who is really inside that suit?

To me the question or should I say,what is the answer.Leaflets are being dropped I guess to tell the Palestinian People to get away from a certain area which may be bombed.But where are they supposed to go?

I don’t know..
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Obama stood by his words of July, during a visit to Israel, when he had said: “If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I’m going to do everything in my power to stop that. I would expect Israelis to do the same thing.”

Asked by ABC if he would repeat the remark in Israel now, he said: “I think that’s a basic principle of any country is that they’ve got to protect their citizens.”
***
What is the loophole here? Gaza is not a country so those citizens don’t matter? And, as usual, Israel can have its nukes, but Iran has to stop their legal enrichment program.
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I think that Iran is going to be one of our biggest challenges,” the president-elect said, warning a nuclear-armed Iran “could potentially trigger a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.”

“And we are going to have to take a new approach. And I’ve outlined my belief that engagement is the place to start,” Obama said.

“That the international community is going to be taking cues from us in how we want to approach Iran.”

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/….._0111.html

More from Obama…

Obama: “We’re still evaluating how we’re going to approach the whole issue of interrogations, detentions, and so forth. And obviously we’re going to be looking at past practices and I don’t believe that anybody is above the law. On the other hand I also have a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards. And part of my job is to make sure that for example at the CIA, you’ve got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don’t want them to suddenly feel like they’ve got to spend all their time looking over their shoulders and lawyering.”

Stephanopoulos: “So, let me just press that one more time. You’re not ruling out prosecution, but will you tell your Justice Department to investigate these cases and follow the evidence wherever it leads?”

Obama: “What I — I think my general view when it comes to my attorney general is he is the people’s lawyer. Eric Holder’s been nominated. His job is to uphold the Constitution and look after the interests of the American people, not to be swayed by my day-to-day politics. So, ultimately, he’s going to be making some calls, but my general belief is that when it comes to national security, what we have to focus on is getting things right in the future, as opposed looking at what we got wrong in the past.”

http://content.usatoday.com/co…..61177294/1

Thanks, SD. I watched most of the ABC interview with Obama. Wish I felt better. Seems to me he says, “…but on the other hand…”, and “…look forward as opposed to looking back..” a lot. Sure sounds to me like free pass for BushCo’s crimes.

What I want to see is an Obama that quits shifting, and on something say, “here I stand”. and then act on it. I think we’re all waiting to see who this man really is.

I voted for Obama because (1) Cynthia McKenny cculd not win, and (2) her votes would reduce Obama’s.

Thing about McKenny is you definitely know where she stands and she will take on all comers. (best of all was Rumsfeld!)

Please forgive my calling you SD, bluebutterfly. Not enough sleep last night. Think I’ll go remedy that right now.