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	<title>Comments on: Seventy-Eight Percent of Public Support Employee Free Choice Act</title>
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		<title>By: Smgumby</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/78-percent-of-public-support-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1786456</link>
		<dc:creator>Smgumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:xUYptbNvX_QJ:edworkforce.house.gov/testimony/020807NancySchiffertestimony.pdf+what+constitutes+illegal+intimidation+of+workers+who+are+trying+to+form+a+union&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TESTIMONY OF NANCY SCHIFFER ASSOCIATE GENERAL COUNSEL, AFL-CIO BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH, EMPLOYMENT, LABOR AND PENSIONS&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Before the NLRB agent ever arrives at the workplace with the voting booth and cardboard ballot box, workers have been harassed, intimidated, spied on, threatened and fired. How can a secret ballot election cure this? It can’t and it doesn’t. What is free about your choice when your employer has threatened to relocate your work if the union wins? What is free about your choice when your employer points to a nearby sister location that voted for a union with an almost 100 vote margin and, four years later, no bargaining has taken place [but fails to mention that it’s because the employer is gaming the system]? What is free about your choice when you can plainly see that union support means being followed and harassed and videotaped? This kind of fear does not disappear when the worker is handed a ballot. It’s their job and their families’ livelihood. That’s too much to risk. It’s too much to have to risk.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The anti-union rhetoric is everywhere.  Hopefully the new admin will be able to actually push through the EFCA…  …until Harry Reid tells us they will never get the 95% majority needed, so why bother voting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:xUYptbNvX_QJ:edworkforce.house.gov/testimony/020807NancySchiffertestimony.pdf+what+constitutes+illegal+intimidation+of+workers+who+are+trying+to+form+a+union&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow">TESTIMONY OF NANCY SCHIFFER ASSOCIATE GENERAL COUNSEL, AFL-CIO BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH, EMPLOYMENT, LABOR AND PENSIONS</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Before the NLRB agent ever arrives at the workplace with the voting booth and cardboard ballot box, workers have been harassed, intimidated, spied on, threatened and fired. How can a secret ballot election cure this? It can’t and it doesn’t. What is free about your choice when your employer has threatened to relocate your work if the union wins? What is free about your choice when your employer points to a nearby sister location that voted for a union with an almost 100 vote margin and, four years later, no bargaining has taken place [but fails to mention that it’s because the employer is gaming the system]? What is free about your choice when you can plainly see that union support means being followed and harassed and videotaped? This kind of fear does not disappear when the worker is handed a ballot. It’s their job and their families’ livelihood. That’s too much to risk. It’s too much to have to risk.</p>
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<p>The anti-union rhetoric is everywhere.  Hopefully the new admin will be able to actually push through the EFCA…  …until Harry Reid tells us they will never get the 95% majority needed, so why bother voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is good news for Republicans. (handwave to Atrios)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good news for Republicans. (handwave to Atrios)</p>
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		<title>By: oldtree</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We did see some strange ads in Oregon.  Smith attacked the choice of furniture at the state capital, the free choice act, and other very middle of the road views that the citizens of Oregon have.  He did manage to scare the crap out of the conservatives in our state.  They could stand that his frozen vegetable business used illegal alien labor, and used sewage tainted water for the vegetables.&lt;br /&gt;
    the conservative’s embrace some odd glories.  Aliens ( if they don’t get caught working them and make money) and eColi. (the perfect party guest)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did see some strange ads in Oregon.  Smith attacked the choice of furniture at the state capital, the free choice act, and other very middle of the road views that the citizens of Oregon have.  He did manage to scare the crap out of the conservatives in our state.  They could stand that his frozen vegetable business used illegal alien labor, and used sewage tainted water for the vegetables.<br />
    the conservative’s embrace some odd glories.  Aliens ( if they don’t get caught working them and make money) and eColi. (the perfect party guest)</p>
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		<title>By: paz3</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The day after Oregon Sen.-elect Jeff Merkley won his primary, ads started airing to attack his support for the bill, and anti-worker forces spent almost $1 million to defeat him. As the ads continued, Merkley rose steadily in the polls.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The anti-EFCA (secretly funded?) anti- Jeff Merkley ads ran endlessly during the Fall campaign and it sure didn’t work. When Gordon Smith made his concession statement, which I watched live, the air seemed leaden in the room and his wife was palpably upset. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They times that are a-changin, at least right now…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dems pushing the EFCA will allow the Repubs another chance to further marginalize themselves in a set up for more losses in 2010. Hope the Dems see that clearly, and allow a two or three day filibuster, although I worry that Harry “Capitulation” Reid will get nervous about the potential for more Repub dissent.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The day after Oregon Sen.-elect Jeff Merkley won his primary, ads started airing to attack his support for the bill, and anti-worker forces spent almost $1 million to defeat him. As the ads continued, Merkley rose steadily in the polls.</p>
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<p>The anti-EFCA (secretly funded?) anti- Jeff Merkley ads ran endlessly during the Fall campaign and it sure didn’t work. When Gordon Smith made his concession statement, which I watched live, the air seemed leaden in the room and his wife was palpably upset. </p>
<p>They times that are a-changin, at least right now…</p>
<p>Dems pushing the EFCA will allow the Repubs another chance to further marginalize themselves in a set up for more losses in 2010. Hope the Dems see that clearly, and allow a two or three day filibuster, although I worry that Harry “Capitulation” Reid will get nervous about the potential for more Repub dissent.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/78-percent-of-public-support-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1786127</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/08/israel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Both parties cheerlead still more loudly for Israel’s war&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Resolution in the House and Senate supporting Isreals attack on Gaza. Artillery from land and Naval batteries with air bombardment is destrying infrastructure and killing people. Please call your critters in Washington and voice opposition to genocide or be a party to it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT  <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/08/israel/" rel="nofollow">Both parties cheerlead still more loudly for Israel’s war</a><br />
Resolution in the House and Senate supporting Isreals attack on Gaza. Artillery from land and Naval batteries with air bombardment is destrying infrastructure and killing people. Please call your critters in Washington and voice opposition to genocide or be a party to it.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/78-percent-of-public-support-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1786125</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In other words, every person for themselves and hang the rest of the group?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you get better bargains as an individual or when you get a group rate from someone?  Do you get better healthcare going to the insurance companies by yourself or as part of a group?  Do you get better discounts at stores or other businesses from a group membership or from an individual membership?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d have no problems at all if folks want to not join the union, even if it is available, as long as they also elect to not take advantage of the union negotiated pay and benefits packages.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, every person for themselves and hang the rest of the group?</p>
<p>Do you get better bargains as an individual or when you get a group rate from someone?  Do you get better healthcare going to the insurance companies by yourself or as part of a group?  Do you get better discounts at stores or other businesses from a group membership or from an individual membership?</p>
<p>I’d have no problems at all if folks want to not join the union, even if it is available, as long as they also elect to not take advantage of the union negotiated pay and benefits packages.</p>
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		<title>By: KilgoreTrout</title>
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		<dc:creator>KilgoreTrout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does this include the right of an employee to NOT join a union even at a unionized company if they so choose?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the labor movement is far more powerful when it’s not organized into unions, which have simply become another level of bureaucracy feeding of the efforts of the workers. A real ground level movement is almost impossible to stop, while an organized structure is easily corrupted. Then again I am biased here after some very very bad experiences with unions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this include the right of an employee to NOT join a union even at a unionized company if they so choose?</p>
<p>I think the labor movement is far more powerful when it’s not organized into unions, which have simply become another level of bureaucracy feeding of the efforts of the workers. A real ground level movement is almost impossible to stop, while an organized structure is easily corrupted. Then again I am biased here after some very very bad experiences with unions.</p>
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		<title>By: bluejeansntshirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluejeansntshirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My BIL would spout his boss’ anti union rhetoric.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then his buddy was laid-off one month from pension eligibility.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now BIL thinks he may be next and maybe the boss is wrong.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My BIL would spout his boss’ anti union rhetoric.</p>
<p>Then his buddy was laid-off one month from pension eligibility.</p>
<p>Now BIL thinks he may be next and maybe the boss is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for a good post but after yesterday Udall, Merkley and Shaheen’s title is Senator since they were sworn in yesterday.&lt;br /&gt;
279 hrs &amp; 26 min&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a good post but after yesterday Udall, Merkley and Shaheen’s title is Senator since they were sworn in yesterday.<br />
279 hrs &amp; 26 min</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are the Unions going to stop Obama from cutting medicare, Social Security? I say cut the army budget.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the Unions going to stop Obama from cutting medicare, Social Security? I say cut the army budget.</p>
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