Comments on: War widens in the Levant: Missiles from Lebanon strike Israel http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:19:43 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: mui1 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1786115 mui1 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:31:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1786115 <blockquote><p>Mumbai terrorist 2: We have three foreigners, including women. From Singapore and China.</p> <p>Pakistan caller 1: Kill them.</p></blockquote> <p>Hideous. I don’t get it. Kill them for what?</p>

Mumbai terrorist 2: We have three foreigners, including women. From Singapore and China.

Pakistan caller 1: Kill them.

Hideous. I don’t get it. Kill them for what?

]]> By: acquarius74 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1786050 acquarius74 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:36:36 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1786050 <p>You asked, “Are we being set up?” - - I’ve had that creepy feeling since I read about our soldiers being stationed in Israel for the first time ever. That happened on 09/21/2008. The article is in defensenews.com Link:</p> <p><a href="http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3744319" rel="nofollow">http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3744319</a></p> <p>title: U.S. Deploys Radar, Troops to Israel</p> You asked, “Are we being set up?” – - I’ve had that creepy feeling since I read about our soldiers being stationed in Israel for the first time ever. That happened on 09/21/2008. The article is in defensenews.com Link:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3744319

title: U.S. Deploys Radar, Troops to Israel

]]> By: Kassandra http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785774 Kassandra Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:24:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785774 <blockquote><p>Then the next one Obama gets stuck with new Bush war/mistake.<br /> Or martial law has been declared Bush is President for life.<br /> WW3 is on Hurrah the Rapture is On!</p></blockquote> <p> You said it. I hope this is not true and the rockets really ARE from Gaza. But if not, I haven’t had enough coffee yet to even begin to wrap my mind around this one.</p>

Then the next one Obama gets stuck with new Bush war/mistake.
Or martial law has been declared Bush is President for life.
WW3 is on Hurrah the Rapture is On!

You said it. I hope this is not true and the rockets really ARE from Gaza. But if not, I haven’t had enough coffee yet to even begin to wrap my mind around this one.

]]> By: Stormcrow http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785756 Stormcrow Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:06:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785756 <p>Not hate, Mr. Newberry.</p> <p>Calculation.</p> <p>Hassan Nasrallah is crazy like a fox. Remember, his are the people who handed the IDF an very unexpected and embarrassing bloody nose two and a half years ago.</p> <p>He understands perfectly well that Israel has bitten off more than it can easily chew.</p> <p>Its problems in Gaza are <i>not</i> operational. That war is being carried out, for all intents and purposes, in a phone booth. Hamas has NO geographic depth. And Hamas is almost certainly neither trained nor fortified as well as Hizbullah was three years ago.</p> <p>The problems for Israel in Gaza are all on the strategic level, and they’re long-term. They were made infinitely worse by last week’s invasion. As I’ve written elsewhere, there really isn’t a long-term endgame for Israel that’s winnable. Now. Not even if they reduce everybody in Hamas senior to a waterboy to bloodstains on the pavement. And I’m far from alone in that opinion.</p> <p>Long story short, Israel’s government has blundered. And the leadership of Hisbullah wants it to compound that blunder by getting itself involved in a two-front aggressive war. It will find the South Lebanon defenses much tougher meat than anything the poor Palestinians of Gaza can assemble.</p> <p>Meanwhile, the endgame in Gaza is stark. Either Israel accepts failure to suppress the nuisance attacks, which means political defeat. Or it resolves to depopulate the Gaza Strip. There is really no third option available anymore.</p> <p>And depopulation of Gaza may just be enough to lose it the support of the United States. Finally.</p> <p>If that happens, Israel’s prospects are not promising.</p> <p>Sheikh Nasrallah would have to be crazy not to want a piece of that. Since, IMHO, he’s running himself for as close as he can get to ruler of Lebanon.</p> Not hate, Mr. Newberry.

Calculation.

Hassan Nasrallah is crazy like a fox. Remember, his are the people who handed the IDF an very unexpected and embarrassing bloody nose two and a half years ago.

He understands perfectly well that Israel has bitten off more than it can easily chew.

Its problems in Gaza are not operational. That war is being carried out, for all intents and purposes, in a phone booth. Hamas has NO geographic depth. And Hamas is almost certainly neither trained nor fortified as well as Hizbullah was three years ago.

The problems for Israel in Gaza are all on the strategic level, and they’re long-term. They were made infinitely worse by last week’s invasion. As I’ve written elsewhere, there really isn’t a long-term endgame for Israel that’s winnable. Now. Not even if they reduce everybody in Hamas senior to a waterboy to bloodstains on the pavement. And I’m far from alone in that opinion.

Long story short, Israel’s government has blundered. And the leadership of Hisbullah wants it to compound that blunder by getting itself involved in a two-front aggressive war. It will find the South Lebanon defenses much tougher meat than anything the poor Palestinians of Gaza can assemble.

Meanwhile, the endgame in Gaza is stark. Either Israel accepts failure to suppress the nuisance attacks, which means political defeat. Or it resolves to depopulate the Gaza Strip. There is really no third option available anymore.

And depopulation of Gaza may just be enough to lose it the support of the United States. Finally.

If that happens, Israel’s prospects are not promising.

Sheikh Nasrallah would have to be crazy not to want a piece of that. Since, IMHO, he’s running himself for as close as he can get to ruler of Lebanon.

]]> By: TheLurkingMod http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785754 TheLurkingMod Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:31:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785754 <p>Attaturk is upstairs!<br /><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/going-through-the-motions/" rel="nofollow">Going through the motions</a></p> Attaturk is upstairs!
Going through the motions

]]> By: prostratedragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785752 prostratedragon Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:19:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785752 <p>In a week that saw the Senate seatin’ follies, this one still has a chance at dumbest story, or maybe I mean lamest:</p> <p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/ap_on_re_us/nyc_nuptials;_ylt=AmyNNtJ4VlvSYTqHPdP3BCxvzwcF" rel="nofollow">“We want to be the wedding destination of the world,” said Deputy Mayor [of NYC] Patti Harris.</a></p> <p>Y’all need to get yourselves a real mayor, quick, before he turns the place irrevocably into Newyorkburg.</p> In a week that saw the Senate seatin’ follies, this one still has a chance at dumbest story, or maybe I mean lamest:

“We want to be the wedding destination of the world,” said Deputy Mayor [of NYC] Patti Harris.

Y’all need to get yourselves a real mayor, quick, before he turns the place irrevocably into Newyorkburg.

]]> By: Stirling Newberry http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785751 Stirling Newberry Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:02:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785751 <p>We wrote about that here at FDL.</p> We wrote about that here at FDL.

]]> By: Stirling Newberry http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785750 Stirling Newberry Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:01:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785750 <p>Let us hope this pulls people back from the brink.</p> Let us hope this pulls people back from the brink.

]]> By: Styve http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785749 Styve Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:29:14 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785749 <p>Bush and Cheney would be rounded up should they try Martial Law, regardless of the scenario.</p> Bush and Cheney would be rounded up should they try Martial Law, regardless of the scenario.

]]> By: freepatriot http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785748 freepatriot Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:27:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/mumbai-attackers-received-direct-orders-to-kill-hostages-by-phone/#comment-1785748 <p>hey, bill kristof got <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/opinion/08kristof.html?ref=opinion" rel="nofollow">*half a clue</a></p> <blockquote><p><strong>it’s worth remembering that Israel itself helped nurture Hamas.</strong></p></blockquote> <p>it’s also worth remembering that ronnie raygun and george herbert walker bush coddled Saddam Hussein</p> <p>then you would have the other half of the frickin clue, and you might begin to see a pattern</p> <p>and if you added the memory about Osama Bin Laden’s close relationship with prominent repuglitards, including the aforementioned ronnie raygun, g h w bush, donald dumsfeld, et al, you’d have EVIDENCE of a pattern</p> <p>but then kristof would only have a THIRD of a clue</p> <p>still, a third of a clue would be pretty good for most NY Times editorial columnists</p> hey, bill kristof got *half a clue

it’s worth remembering that Israel itself helped nurture Hamas.

it’s also worth remembering that ronnie raygun and george herbert walker bush coddled Saddam Hussein

then you would have the other half of the frickin clue, and you might begin to see a pattern

and if you added the memory about Osama Bin Laden’s close relationship with prominent repuglitards, including the aforementioned ronnie raygun, g h w bush, donald dumsfeld, et al, you’d have EVIDENCE of a pattern

but then kristof would only have a THIRD of a clue

still, a third of a clue would be pretty good for most NY Times editorial columnists

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