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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/gaza-update-us-troops-role-proposed/#comment-1785298</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, if you want I’ll repeat it for you.&lt;br /&gt;
You cite several example of inhumanity and I certainly don’t disagree.&lt;br /&gt;
Respectfully, none of these examples quite approach the slaughter visited upon Jews. Do the math.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Additionally, I’m perplexed as to how it is that you think you know what the remaining Jews think of themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, I find your use of the term holocaust to be a bit loose. Again, if you can do the math, the number of Palestinians living in proximity to the Israelis is increasing. Perhaps the Israelis are too busy “whinning” to holocaust properly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you want I’ll repeat it for you.<br />
You cite several example of inhumanity and I certainly don’t disagree.<br />
Respectfully, none of these examples quite approach the slaughter visited upon Jews. Do the math.</p>
<p>Additionally, I’m perplexed as to how it is that you think you know what the remaining Jews think of themselves.</p>
<p>Finally, I find your use of the term holocaust to be a bit loose. Again, if you can do the math, the number of Palestinians living in proximity to the Israelis is increasing. Perhaps the Israelis are too busy “whinning” to holocaust properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you mean why do they think of themselves as victims like the other 70 million victims killed in WWI and the camps?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or like the Christians persecuted by the Romans?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or like the Armeanians wiped out by the Turks?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or like the 15 million Russians wiped out under Stalin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or like black American slaves who sucked it up, never got a penny or a slavery musuem to their name, marched ahead asking for their human rights without whinning, without holocausting the whites, and who now sit admired in the WH?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or do you mean why do the Jews think of themselves as the the only victims on earth worth mentioning and the only ones who have parlayed it into a second generation trillion dollar fund raising industry and get out of jail free scheme for their own greed and holocaust on Palestine?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What was the question again?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mean why do they think of themselves as victims like the other 70 million victims killed in WWI and the camps?</p>
<p>Or like the Christians persecuted by the Romans?</p>
<p>Or like the Armeanians wiped out by the Turks?</p>
<p>Or like the 15 million Russians wiped out under Stalin.</p>
<p>Or like black American slaves who sucked it up, never got a penny or a slavery musuem to their name, marched ahead asking for their human rights without whinning, without holocausting the whites, and who now sit admired in the WH?</p>
<p>Or do you mean why do the Jews think of themselves as the the only victims on earth worth mentioning and the only ones who have parlayed it into a second generation trillion dollar fund raising industry and get out of jail free scheme for their own greed and holocaust on Palestine?</p>
<p>What was the question again?</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/gaza-update-us-troops-role-proposed/#comment-1785070</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Siun,&lt;br /&gt;
   is the “permanent US military presence in Israel” that you describe the 120 people flown in with the tracking system?&lt;br /&gt;
    I missed where it said that the 120 people are going to stay there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siun,<br />
   is the “permanent US military presence in Israel” that you describe the 120 people flown in with the tracking system?<br />
    I missed where it said that the 120 people are going to stay there.</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/gaza-update-us-troops-role-proposed/#comment-1785063</link>
		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you have some idea as why the Jews of 1948 might think of themselves as victims?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have some idea as why the Jews of 1948 might think of themselves as victims?</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/gaza-update-us-troops-role-proposed/#comment-1785058</link>
		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Carroll.  I’ll have to add Jacqueline Rose’s book to my very long ‘to read’ list.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Going to search now for any late news on the peace possibility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Carroll.  I’ll have to add Jacqueline Rose’s book to my very long ‘to read’ list.</p>
<p>Going to search now for any late news on the peace possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can’t understand it myself either so you probably have more insight than me.&lt;br /&gt;
It seems to me that it is all in the individual…some abused people go on to become abusers themselves…other abused people become champions for the abused and work to prevent it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have to two aquaintences who both grew up poor and disavantaged and became wealthy. One of them is the kind that says he isn’t ‘going to do nothing for anyone cause no one ever did anything for him’…the other one is very generous and has given much money to organizations to help the less fortunate and helped individuals on a personal basis in the community. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know how to account for the differences..maybe the difference in their parents attitudes and influence or maybe some people are just missing the ‘empathy gene.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Concerning the Israeli behavior, the  best thing I have read to explain Israel and the Zionist  is Jacqueline Roses’..The Question of Zion”. As a  zionist and a psychologist herself she describes a large part of the zionist movement as a sort of collective psychosis that attracts other jews much like any cult does. The hallmarks of a cult being the idea of themselves as victims and enlightened ones prescuted for their beliefs and the certainty that they are right and the world is wrong. It appeals to people already disposed mentally or by exposure to certain propaganda becuase it  gives them a “specialness’ or some kind of identity  to channel their natural dispositions or religiouness through…like some of the more way out there doomsdays evangelicals.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t understand it myself either so you probably have more insight than me.<br />
It seems to me that it is all in the individual…some abused people go on to become abusers themselves…other abused people become champions for the abused and work to prevent it.</p>
<p>I have to two aquaintences who both grew up poor and disavantaged and became wealthy. One of them is the kind that says he isn’t ‘going to do nothing for anyone cause no one ever did anything for him’…the other one is very generous and has given much money to organizations to help the less fortunate and helped individuals on a personal basis in the community. </p>
<p>I don’t know how to account for the differences..maybe the difference in their parents attitudes and influence or maybe some people are just missing the ‘empathy gene.</p>
<p>Concerning the Israeli behavior, the  best thing I have read to explain Israel and the Zionist  is Jacqueline Roses’..The Question of Zion”. As a  zionist and a psychologist herself she describes a large part of the zionist movement as a sort of collective psychosis that attracts other jews much like any cult does. The hallmarks of a cult being the idea of themselves as victims and enlightened ones prescuted for their beliefs and the certainty that they are right and the world is wrong. It appeals to people already disposed mentally or by exposure to certain propaganda becuase it  gives them a “specialness’ or some kind of identity  to channel their natural dispositions or religiouness through…like some of the more way out there doomsdays evangelicals.</p>
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		<title>By: T-Bear</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/gaza-update-us-troops-role-proposed/#comment-1784908</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Guardian had this report which was commented here (FDL) this morning. A long and necessary read, not all support the current Israeli war crimes. Great care must be taken to protect such critics of Israeli terrorists from being tarred with those responsible. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;H&lt;strong&gt;ow Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim served in the Israeli army and has never questioned the state’s legitimacy. But its merciless assault on Gaza has led him to devastating conclusions&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Avi Shlaim&lt;br /&gt;
The Guardian, Wednesday 7 January 2009&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....-palestine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Guardian had this report which was commented here (FDL) this morning. A long and necessary read, not all support the current Israeli war crimes. Great care must be taken to protect such critics of Israeli terrorists from being tarred with those responsible. </p>
<blockquote><p>H<strong>ow Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe</strong><br />
Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim served in the Israeli army and has never questioned the state’s legitimacy. But its merciless assault on Gaza has led him to devastating conclusions</p>
<p>Avi Shlaim<br />
The Guardian, Wednesday 7 January 2009</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl&#8230;..-palestine</a></p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
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		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the link to Rep Kucinich’s site.  I’ll go back and sign on and do more study.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to Rep Kucinich’s site.  I’ll go back and sign on and do more study.</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/gaza-update-us-troops-role-proposed/#comment-1784839</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Any American troop or “advisor” presence in,around or with IDF/IAF forces surely diminishes any remaining “third and neutral” party status WashingtonDC may still wish to play kabuki theatre around as “peacemaker and agent of reconciliation” in any coming near or afar Israeli/Palestinian meetings.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Curious about this three hour “humanitarian aid window” being less than adequate time span to get trucks into Gaza,unload,dispense and then get trucks back out. Seems very small “window” for all that to happen when communications in Gaza must be quite broken up and sporadic. By the time many Gazans learn or know about aid trucks coming in how much real time is there for them to respond without risking post three hour IDF/IAF attacks?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is pretty cynical for Israelis to be trumpeting this as a show of how merciful they are propaganda when the truths and facts of these past days of Israeli conduct in Gaza point very much in other directions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Keeping independent press agencies and agents out a dead giveaway that Israel is doing things it wants to keep world from seeing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WashingtonDC playing into Israels hand over Israeli press entry denials and playing spoiler for Israel at United Nations will discredit Americans if and when Israeli war crimes come into view post Israeli attack on Gaza only more fully and completely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Do Americans have any idea how reckless American unconditional support and political backing of Israel may prove to be? Any idea at all?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WashingtonDC is surely playing with fire regarding any American involvement in or with Israeli still unknown war crimes conduct in Gaza. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This American stupidity and craven political ignorance fully worthy of contempt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any American troop or “advisor” presence in,around or with IDF/IAF forces surely diminishes any remaining “third and neutral” party status WashingtonDC may still wish to play kabuki theatre around as “peacemaker and agent of reconciliation” in any coming near or afar Israeli/Palestinian meetings.</p>
<p>Curious about this three hour “humanitarian aid window” being less than adequate time span to get trucks into Gaza,unload,dispense and then get trucks back out. Seems very small “window” for all that to happen when communications in Gaza must be quite broken up and sporadic. By the time many Gazans learn or know about aid trucks coming in how much real time is there for them to respond without risking post three hour IDF/IAF attacks?</p>
<p>It is pretty cynical for Israelis to be trumpeting this as a show of how merciful they are propaganda when the truths and facts of these past days of Israeli conduct in Gaza point very much in other directions.</p>
<p>Keeping independent press agencies and agents out a dead giveaway that Israel is doing things it wants to keep world from seeing. </p>
<p>WashingtonDC playing into Israels hand over Israeli press entry denials and playing spoiler for Israel at United Nations will discredit Americans if and when Israeli war crimes come into view post Israeli attack on Gaza only more fully and completely.</p>
<p> Do Americans have any idea how reckless American unconditional support and political backing of Israel may prove to be? Any idea at all?</p>
<p>WashingtonDC is surely playing with fire regarding any American involvement in or with Israeli still unknown war crimes conduct in Gaza. </p>
<p>This American stupidity and craven political ignorance fully worthy of contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/gaza-update-us-troops-role-proposed/#comment-1784838</link>
		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good illustration, Carroll.  Isn’t this (and Israel) according to the theory that too often the abused child grows up to become an abuser?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not a psychologist but have read and studied a lot on the subject.  I was also the youngest of 5 children of a tyrannical, abusive father and deceased mother.  My 3 oldest sisters became overly submissive and my only brother became a carbon copy of my father.  As children my brother and I used to discuss my Dad’s conduct and hated it, yet Brother became him.  I could never understand that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the same respect, I cannot understand Israel’s shutting the Palestinians into the Gaza Ghetto under the same inhumane conditions as the Jews were walled into the Warsaw Ghetto by Hitler’s Nazis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This puzzle continues to disturb me.  I would welcome enlightenment on this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good illustration, Carroll.  Isn’t this (and Israel) according to the theory that too often the abused child grows up to become an abuser?</p>
<p>I’m not a psychologist but have read and studied a lot on the subject.  I was also the youngest of 5 children of a tyrannical, abusive father and deceased mother.  My 3 oldest sisters became overly submissive and my only brother became a carbon copy of my father.  As children my brother and I used to discuss my Dad’s conduct and hated it, yet Brother became him.  I could never understand that.</p>
<p>In the same respect, I cannot understand Israel’s shutting the Palestinians into the Gaza Ghetto under the same inhumane conditions as the Jews were walled into the Warsaw Ghetto by Hitler’s Nazis.</p>
<p>This puzzle continues to disturb me.  I would welcome enlightenment on this.</p>
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