Because up is down, black is white…and Dick Cheney is a true believer in his self-manufactured crusade to remake the government in his own twisted, sneering image.
Cheney’s Face the Nation interview sums up his disrespect for the rule of law while purporting to champion defense of the constitution better than I ever could.
That Cheney misunderstands the meaning of "constitution" in the oath of office is obvious: you swear to uphold and protect the rule of law and the ideals upon which this nation was founded, not the physical nation itself. Not that national security and defense aren’t important, but the highest duty is living up to the promise of "a more perfect union."
That means upholding the rule of law, respecting separation of powers and the intent of the framers of the constitution. Especially when that is most difficult during a time of emergency or war.
The Founders forsaw this danger, as James Madison laid out clearly in Federalist 47:
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.
Epic fail, Dick.
Want to know what the president can do and how you know it’s legal? Cheney mentions Lincoln’s suspense of habeas and that his action:
"…well, it certainly was [legal] in the sense that he wasn’t impeached…um…and it was a wartime measure that he took that I think today history says that, yeah, that was probably a good thing to do."
So unless someone puts a stop to the President’s actions, whatever extreme, illegal action he takes is a-okay in Dick-land. Regarding internment camps for the Japanese during WWII?
"Most people now look back on that and say that was wrong." (emphasis mine)
No hint on whether Dick is part of "most people." And no follow-up to ask. No mention of Korematsu or the Youngstown case either, natch. But the most galling attempt as ass-covery through obfuscation?
CHENEY: …What we did, for example, was modest by those comparisons. I would also emphasize that what we did, we did with the support and involvement, for example, of the Justice department. Every single time the president reauthorized the terrorist surveillance program, which he did every 30 or 45 days, it was only after the…
SHEIFFER: But is it not true that the courts and some others have said that some of those orders that the Justice Department was putting out proved to be…
CHENEY: That was…that was…those were…
SHEIFFER: …not correct.
CHENEY: …the rules we had to operate by, and the Attorney General of the United States signed off on every single one of those exceptions. The president would not extend the program without the Attorney General’s…uh…authorization and approval on there. In terms of all of our actions, we worked to stay close to the Office of Legal Counsel. We followed the guidance we got, which is what you are supposed to do and where you are supposed to do it. There have subsequently been some controversies, that the Supreme Court’s made some decisions that didn’t agree with what we did at the time. But what we did was authorized by the legal authorities that were to be the source of that kind of advice.
Never mind that those legal cover orders were issued at Cheney’s request and under the supervision — and sometimes drafted by — his chief legal minion, David Addington. Or that these folks at the OLC and elsewhere chiefly responsible for writing this supporting legal documentation were hand-picked for those positions by Cheney precisely because their views mirrored his on the unilateral executive.
As Jane Mayer laid out back in 2006:
By emphasizing interrogation over due process, the government intended to preëmpt future attacks before they materialized. In November, 2001, Cheney said of the military commissions, “We think it guarantees that we’ll have the kind of treatment of these individuals that we believe they deserve.”…Many constitutional experts, however, question [Addington's] interpretation of the [constitution], especially his views on Presidential power. Scott Horton…said that Addington and a small group of Administration lawyers who share his views had attempted to “overturn two centuries of jurisprudence defining the limits of the executive branch. They’ve made war a matter of dictatorial power.” The historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., [said regarding] the Administration’s legal defense of torture, which Addington played a central role in formulating…“No position taken has done more damage to the American reputation in the world—ever.”
It’s as though Cheney is attempting a clumsy combination of a Mahktar stealth haze (YouTube) and a fumbling Jedi mind trick (YouTube) — trying to mask his role in all of this. When in reality, he’s been like those Escher drawing hands, bringing themselves into being exactly as they wanted in every detail.
The one piece of good news in the entire interview? Cheney petulantly gripes that Obama hasn’t asked his counsel on keeping Gitmo open indefinitely. Well, that’s a relief…
PS: Dawn Johnson at OLC? Oh frabtacular day. Excellent.
Related posts:
- Laura Ingraham on “This Week”: Dick Cheney “Cuts Through” on Afghanistan Because “His Numbers Are Going Up”
- Why is Obama Debating Cheney About the Rule of Law?
- Early Morning Swim: Dick Cheney’s Mouth was Moving on Fox
- On the Rule of Law and Crimes of Torture
- Dick Cheney: I’m Proud I Tortured to Protect Our Country But Not Our Allies





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I should have also put a warning on the Youtube that it is hazardous to your blood pressure. Just FYI…if you missed this interview, it is a bit on the grating side for rule of law types.
Christy, thanks so much.
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. . . and it all became legal because Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table. Good work, Nancy!
I know that comity is nice in the Senate, particularly on the opening day of a new Congress; but, I will tell you that it sickened me to watch Cheney do the swearing in of the newly elected Senators yesterday.
That asshole has soiled everything he has touched. Now he is on his farewell tour of trying to put CYA interviews in place to justify his actions. What a gutless wonder.
The reputation rehab CYA tour has been nauseating, I must say. Especially where there is little to no follow-up on outright falsehoods and obfuscations.
Or, in this case, where he blames questionable actions on the very underling he specifically put in place to pull this shit out of their hats. Cheney’s both the chicken and the rotten egg from whence all this sprang.
cheney bush,rumsfeld,milosovich.taylor they are all the same.and should be roomates at the hague.
Christy!
If Cheney gets away without being held accountable for all of his Above-the-Law-ness, then We can be certain that the threat of Overthrow-from-Within by the Evil Empire will live to visit US again another day.
OT – Joe the Plumber is off to Israel as a war correspondent for Pajamas Media TV.
Deconstructing Dick
John Searle and Jacques Derrida had a famous dispute about this, iirc.
;)
Oh, now there’s a Pulitzer just waiting to be bestowed, no doubt.
I wonder if Yoo is having any second thoughts? Maybe so, now that he and Bolten think that the Senate really should
If you ask me, somebody’s been snorting too much plumber’s crack.
(hit the wrong button again!!)
ratify our treaties.
I wonder if Yoo has realized that he was set up as the convenient scapegoat? It’s his own fault for being Cheney’s patsy, but still…wonder how it feels to be the person on whom blame gets lavished, along with the rest of DOJ, now that they are of no real use?
Congress willingly surrendered its oversight and checks and balances authority to Vice President Cheney. The only solid guy I can think of right now is Dennis Kucinich. Though, even he caved on his questioning regarding the star football player/soldier who had two obvious close-range bulletholes in his forehead.
Yeah, that tidbit of news can be found in the “ROTFLYAO” section of today’s paper. *g*
So, what’s up with everyone this evening? We’re supposed to get a snow storm here this evening along with a lovely layer of ice. Peachy.
Reading in the first chapter of Angler about how
Cheney collected confidential and highly personal information about Republican politicians,
under the guise of considering them as possible VPs for Bush,
and then selectively leaked the information so as to shape the cabinet,
makes one realize that there were two coups d’etat in 2000.
Oops, my bad…..actually it came from the “You. can. not. make. this. shit. up” section.
That was one of those “holy shit” moments when I read that and then “oh, of course he did.” And how sad is it that it’s not just plausible but expected once you stop to think about who is doing it and their level of scruples (or lack thereof)?
Thanks, Christy!
What do you think of EW’s analysis of the Al Haramain case, and Judge Vaughn Walker’s order, eg. The al-Haramain Dates, which is just one of a series of her posts? I’d like to hear your take on all that.
Thanks, and Happy New Year!
Bob in HI
Honestly, I haven’t had a chance to look yet. It’s been a bit of a crazy week at our house and I’m behind on my reading. Will take a peek, though, and let you know what I think when I get a chance.
In a quick skim on the Walker news earlier today, though, it struck me as interesting how pointed he was. They really pissed him off.
Low of 40 tonight. The next ten days highs are supposed to be in high 60’s/low 70’s. Sunny and no rain!!
Sorry about that, we Arizonans have to have some advantages since we have Kyl and Mac representing us in the Senate.
11th day of sub-zero F temperatures. This morning – 17 below F and blowing 45 to 55 knots.
Off to play “taps” soon at a memorial service at the Eagle River VFW.
Brrrrrr…your weather makes mine sound positively balmy!
We got the snow already. I didn’t know about the ice…maybe we’ll luck out.
While I agree the Dick Cheney is a loathsome piece of human excrement, I do not understand your consternation with Bob “Softball” Scheiffer’s failure to ask any follow up questions, or any tough questions at all. Sheiffer is a kindly old gentleman, but hardly a cutting-edge, aggressive, investigative journalist with any desire or inclination to rock the Mainstream Media boat. You want hard-hitting questions, get Greg Palast on CBS.
Good Luck
The football player was Pat Tillman
He’s also been long-time pals with Cheney. So I wasn’t exactly expecting a hard, fast one across the plate at 95 mph. But a “Wait a minute, Mr. Vice President, wasn’t your personal legal counsel over-seeing the drafting of all these memoranda in minute detail at your behest? weren’t they drafting the orders you asked them to draft?”
I guess after flunking out of Yale and finally getting a BA and MA in Poli sci Cheney has become a constitutional scholar. Oh well he did get his deferments so he
could collect a couple of DUIswork on a degree.302 hrs & 23 min
That degree was a lot of work.
Epic fail is right. Will he pay?
FHM, we’re getting into the 200s!!!
Sneer & Loathing — so true
You Betcha
302 hrs & 18 min
I am going to take exception;
Cheney knows his definition is wrong, he also knows he still has the bully pulpit when on an interview, he says what he wants people to believe and he believes if he says it, it becomes so
Cheney is a sociopath, make no mistake about this,he is not “misunderstanding” he is “redefining
I wonder where Cheney will hide his bunker next?
If I were queen for a day, he’d be scrubbing out latrines on every military base in the country with his own toothbrush. For starters.
He owes those folks a huge debt for what they and their families have gone through at his urging. He can start there.
Rule of Law, Constitution, and Oath to the Constitution, and Office of Legal Council, are all so funny to neo-conservatives. Oh the Irony Meter is off the scale.
As Darth, and Sara Taylor told us, their Oath was to serve the Yoonitary President Guy. If the King commits crimes, it is legal.
But it is even funnier, John Yoonitary and John Bolton have now changed their minds. They do support the law and separation of powers, amazingly in that librul NY Times. These former defenders of torture against children and absolute Zecutive power now want the Senate to start acting as a genuine branch of guvermint. Really!!! They say they do so it must be true!!!
The neo-conservative have always embraced international treaties. Or should I say they embraced them around the throat.
Neo-cons never wanted global governance because they wanted global dictatorship-by neo-cons.
These agreements would include SOFA with Irak. Also, another profitable agreement is the one where Hank Paulson gives taxpayer money to foreign banks. Then there are all those annoying international agreements prohibiting torture. But I wonder if Yoonitary and Bolton are really serious. Maybe they just want the Senate Neo-cons to stop everything Obama does. I think so.
I had put this on earlier today…but there was such a good special on PBS last night about the torture conversation, authorization, etc. Aaron Brown was the host and started with a film (scary, repulsive, informative), then 3 commentators (2 lawyers, one journalist). There was so much detail and evidence that we have been torturing and the trail of legal opinions and things covered up; it was riveting to watch. Included the lawyer Mora, several former detainees with some of their lawyers. The demand for accountability could not be ignored; the conclusion how much we have harmed ourselves in the world, including the kind of pay back that our troops will get whenever they are POWs elsewhere. With this much investigation done, think what else may be out there and what a great lauching point. Some of the most sickening, reviling footage was the contemporaneous views of W lying: we do not torture, we’ll get to the bottom of this, lies about the war, going in. Anyone who does not accept what we have been through, yes, the dark side, doesn’t want to know. It is all harrowing. Im sure it will be re-run & on the websit.
So were all the other actions he had to take for his five deferments.
Oh, and Rummy can join him.
Just as they redefined torture..to mean nothing
Ooooh — missed that — will have to look for it.
It would be a good thread; so much information..it just came on, and I had heard no lead up publicity.
epic fail is not even close to how miserably cheney performs where ever he goes
he was forced out of yale and everything he touches or represents winds up wrong;
notice my bold;
cheney understands the methods of authoritative speech, he knows how to make it sound as if HE is the authority and HE knows, he does this especially when he is clearly NOT the authority on the subject nor does he know
when he wants to convince you of something oposite the truth he can really turn it on too
What was the name of it?
Normally I get some PR from PBS when they have some legal something-or-other coming on, but didn’t get anything on that one. Will definitely look for it — thanks, Bev!
Shooter had better think twice about going overseas anytime soon. Terry Gross interview of Philippe Sands this morning on Fresh Air
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..d=99061358
oh, do tell, do you have a snippet for eveyone to peruse?
Torturing Democracy…The lawyers were the one above, Sands and Derchowitz (still can’t spell that)
That’s why the Cheney’s and the Rumsfelds bought those lovely adjacent properties in the Maryland resort town for retirement. Nothing like side-by-side chummy heavily-fortified and walled-off compounds for your retirement, I hear…
ooops — ignore the errant apostrophe in the above please.
I wonder if Bob Schieffer and the Mrs. will be stopping by for lemonade any time soon?
Self made man is his illusion break him show him as dependent upon the rich a toad to power.
God my Mom trained me well Furies can find weakness. Men hide that archtype from women and dismiss it Athena did not conquer the Furies when she founded Athens she merged and controlled it,
How else did she defeat Mars at Troy that pale copy, for Furies are needed in the world.
The last Queen of the Toltecs led her Amazons against the Aztecs But as the West showed the age of the Man gods was ascendent.
The last female led culture as far as I know died that day.
What caused the shift from Female to Man Gods, Astare was the Goddess you Western folk know Baal had no name but the Lord or Husband of Astare.
Hebrews are so unoriginal but world wide there was a change from female to male rule why?
those who don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat the future…at least till the lesson is leaned.
Equality perhaps?
You are welcome…I look forward to anything you have to say. What preceded it on PBS was a piece on New Orleans, Katrina, and mostly the 9th Ward. I had a total overload of tragedy and Ws failures and cruelty.
Citizen Hardin Smith:
Here in the heartland of America and anus of progress near the banks of the beutiful St. Croix River, we are enjoyin’ the lull between storms and “Alberta Clippers” and are watchin’ Norm Coleman do his poorman’s immitation of Blagojevich on the long sufferin’ population of the state of Minnesota.
Cripes
Poor Normie. Allow me to pull out my tiniest hankie to shed an itty bitty tear for his bruised ego. How will he ever coax someone into buying him free designer suits now?
Questions comments insults I’m on facebook gota go
Looks like PBS left it up to individual stations whether or not to air it due to its controversial content. It doesn’t appear on the PBS website, only references to it and comments to the PBS ombudsman about why it isn’t on.
Maybe he will only need orange…I think his troubles are not over.
Especially since they have tunnels to the CIA headquarters. Wouldn’t it be funny to see them pop in and have Leon Panetta standing there. HeHe
302 hrs & 4 min
Norske your input would be good the Vainar? (hope I spell it right)
bye for real
Schieffer is a neo-con.The Bushies are also using former Austrailia PM Howard’s visit, to close off Blair House to the Obamas’.
That is so interesting….I actually wondered if the degree of the horror and controversy in the material may have been why it was not promoted. It came on pretty late….seems like they knew what they were doing. It was amazingly straight forward, scary, and incriminating. Thanks for clarify. I was thinking I would make another contribution.
Citizen ThingsComeUndone:
??
It looks like my PBS station hasn’t aired it yet. I know the News Director at WMNF very well and he also has a show on the local PBS station and has a lot of influence there. Gonna send him an email this evening.
this link is gonna come in handy when the wingnuts start spewing their propaganda about the new deal;
it seems he was ambushed on fox with some false data, all democrats will be by the way so be armed
Great…let us know. Tell him it is a voice for truth and freedom and very, very good.
Apologies if I’m repeating anyone else, but here is the C-SPAN videolink to Feingold’s hearing on Secret Law (at which Dawn Johnsen was a witness), 30 April 2008.
Oh, I imagine he knows about it. And seein’ as how I’m one of his favourite radical DFHs… Rob says the president of WEDU is quite liberal and I hope Rob can persuade him. Rob is also mentioned toward the end of one of Palast’s books. I had him autograph the page. *g*
That documentary on Torture was ready well before the election. What I heard was that it was delayed for broadcast until the new year and left as optional for individual stations rather than network pickup. Quite the way to bury it, no? Sounds really good: I hope I get a chance to see it.
Someone uploaded it to google video
http://video.google.com/videop…..4493921053
And The National Security Archive has it broken up into three different parts
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/t…..y/program/
Who had the influence to hold it…funny it could only be shut down for a few months. It also one of those things that you can buy for view.
Thank you. I’ll still ping Rob to have it shown locally.
The PBS board is easily frightened by Beltway pols and their minions.
Sorry to go OT, but wanted to give a shoutout to katymine.I caught up with your earlier condition report and wanted to send healing thoughts your way.
(((katymine)))
RevBev: I don’t remember … not sure I ever even heard that. Sounded like a network decision that it was just too hot for election days, you know, the truth might have a bias for Obama or some such thing. But I just remembered the delay because it sounded like an important show.
Damn, and it was even produced by PBS. Somebody got to somebody.
Oh, and what SD said too …!
Loosehead up
At least I know where an hour and a half of my time is going tonight.
It’s beyond important…you will not really believe this is our country…being compared to the Gulag. There were some very outrage people like Wilkerson from Powell’s office, Armitage. You look at W and the dangers of the world and instruments of destruction, see what an idiot he is that we put in that powerful position. His smirky look, as he speaks like a 3rd grader, reminds me of his cruel pleasure in the executions he championed here in TX. He is EVIL as in Scott Peck’s book, People of the Lie. I hope it gets alot of attention. It could really open the floods on war crimes…the language is very clear; open pointing to Addington and Yoo and others.
Pay good attention. It was completely unexpected to me, ran longer, etc. so I missed some important things, Im sure.
He pretty much just reaffirmed what we all know – that the policy seems to have came from the top and that according to the torture convention, governments throughout the world not only have an obligation, but a duty, to investigate and prosecute the torture allegations
Here’s the panel discussion
http://www.thirteen.org/newsan…..-democracy
Payin’ attention is one of my really bad habits.
I’m with you all the way RevBev. It’s depraved and disgusting. And as others have said here, I think, ”icky” so the media doesn’t want to cover it. Maher Arar lives in my neigborhood and I followed his case from the very beginning when he disappeared. It’s only the smallest piece, but it’s why I am just sick when I think this will all be bygones. It cannot be, no matter who is culpable. The US has executed others for less. It’s not America if we let this stand.
I just caught a bit of some quotes they are highlighting on CNN from Cheney’s interview with Sheiffer. It’s like he’s saying, if you don’t do exactly what we did to keep the country safe, and check with us for all the details, you will be a failure, Mr. Obama. Spit.
Good for you….alot of it may be familiar, but I think I went into shock, at the brutality/physical cruelty and total corruption for a start, along with final seeing such a candid exposure. Armitage, talking about waterboarding, said it had left him feeling very helpless and added not a feeling he is used to. He seemed very interesting to me.
Even Hitchins has a SERE guy give him a simulated waterboarding in a bit of bravado that only he would pursue. He was shocked by the experience and wrote in intimate detail about it. He said no one who has a clue can say it’s not torture.
I have been so sickened by people who say it’s nothing, that it’s all safe. I don’t think that’s possible. And I am convinced it’s a slippery slope. Psychological abuse leaves no marks but can destroy people.
This is not a new fight. Human Rights advocates have been fighting torture for decades.
Christy! Thank you for your insight and your righteous ire.
Cheney is just helping to set up the Obama/Cass Sunstein rationale that all the Bush-Cheney rampant illegality is just about policy differences so no need to prosecute or “criminalize” them.
People can also have heart attacks from fear so the waterboarding along is not the only bad thing.
That should be “alone”. preview !
Cass Sunstein OBVIOUSLY does not understand the meaning of ’policy’ or ’crime.’
And on torture: there are a number of ’programs’ at GitMo that amount to coordinated psychological murder. And they don’t lay a finger on the detainees. It’s sick. Trauma breaks down the whole body and being in ways that are not fully recognized by modern medicine.
Only traitors torture.
And it was a triple tap to Tillman’s forehead.(Three holes in a two inch circle)
One can only conclude that Cheney must believe that many Nazis were improperly prosecuted following WWII. At least Cheney needn’t flee to South America, as it is U.S. policy (indeed it is law) to harbor American war criminals from international justice, as it was Pelosi’s to shield the President from American justice.
And, what happened to that investigation?
Yes, I could stand watching it for all of 20 seconds.
Thank you, Christy
Great interview.
Thanks for the link.
If I were Bush (don’t get the wrong idea – I never will be that guy) I would resign late next week for my legacy, so I wouldn’t be the worst POTUS ever.
Don’t think it would help….he’s it.
Christy and Marcy and bmaz and lhp must be doing their happy dance with the imminent appointment of Dawn Johnsen to head OLC.
Thanks for the link– I’m downloading it for a keeper.
Bob in HI