Chuck Todd on Leon Panetta (per Digby):
Obama finds himself caught in this first intra-party vise between his instinct to pick competence over ideology. His first rumored choices for CIA were competent picks — but both would have been eviscerated by the intellectual left because of their anger at Bush over interrogation practices. He’s allowing ideology to trump competence for the first time in one of his major appointments.
It appears that left/right politics may not be the best way to view the Panetta choice. Either that or the "intellectual left" has swelled with some surprising new members.
I always liked Panetta. He served in the Army and is openly proud of it. He seems to be a good lawyer (oxymoronic though it may seem). He’s a good manager. And he’s going to watch Obama’s back at a place that’s full of stilettos and a track record for attempted presidential assassination second to none. But Italians know all about political assassination; you may remember Julius Caesar. Or Aldo Moro. The self-proclaimed cognoscenti will deride his lack of "spycraft," and he’s never worked in the intel bureaucracy or, for that matter, in foreign policy or national security. But he’s been chief of staff, which involved all that stuff. I think it’s a smart move.
"Ishmael Jones" (via K. J. Lopez):
A “safe” choice, viewed as inoffensive by the CIA’s top bureaucrats, would have been dangerous. Directors Tenet and Hayden were placid Washington civil servants of neutral loyalties, quickly coopted by the CIA’s bureaucracy. A military officer might have had good leadership experience but would have lacked sound partisan political connections. The choice is a brave one because it can open Mr. Obama to charges of appointing a loyalist to a crucial post. But that is exactly what is needed at this time.
And then there are those crazy lefties Doug Feith and Richard Perle. Pinkos all.
I think Andrew Sullivan has a much more insightful evaluation of the situation:
Feinstein and Rockefeller sense a real individual with real clout at the agency, whom they cannot control. There may have been a lack of foresight here in not phoning Feinstein ahead of time. But it is also indisputable that many leading intelligence Democrats were deeply complicit in the Bush torture program and his illegal wire-tapping. It was just as important for the president-elect to pick someone not beholden to them either.
Again, I don’t have any opinion as to whether Panetta will be good, bad or otherwise. But just because the Intel whiners and their bruised egos are shrieking about Panetta’s lack of "competence" and complaining that Obama has been hijacked by the "intellectual left" doesn’t make it so. Scratch a little deeper, as Sullivan says, and you’ll find a bunch of people frightened at the prospect that their own complicity in brazenly illegal acts will be exposed by someone who doesn’t have skin in the game.



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Zed planned it all…
Sneaky, kind like a spook.
DiFi and Jello don’t want their complicity in illegal wire-taps and torture exposed. Water is wet. Who knew?
Where is Al anyways?
The MSM are frantically searching for the narrative. The ‘kids in the kitchen’ meme they pulled out to welcome Clinton isn’t going down, because Obama has recruited pros. They have been working the ‘left-wing’ conspiracy angle as hard as they can, but so far it isn’t sticking, because PEBO is so damned reasonable, and refuses to do a ‘Sistah Soulja’ dance for them.
The real problem for the bozos who populate our media (including NPR) is that they think discussing actual policy is, you know, ‘partisan’. Only gossip politics matters. I don’t know when this happened, exactly. I noticed the change on PBS during the second Clinton administration, but it probably started earlier. There are simply no substantive discussions of the problems — economic, political, foreign political — facing this country on the broadcast media. None. At best you get a few human interest stories that are hardly better than propganda, fair and balanced.
The Panetta stuff is more of the same. These guys are really pathetic!
What I think I see here is absolutely brilliant situation management by Team Obama. Apologize to the target before you open fire.
I R part of the “Vast Left Wing Conspiracy,” huh?
Well, I think I already knew that but I just thought it was to try to restore Truth and Justice to the American Way.
Whoda thunk it? and Sanje Gupta for Surgeon General holy cow!
331 hrs & 18 min
Thanks for the Iraq War, torture and illegal spying DiFi. Will you be testifying at the trials???
Beautifully summarized and stated.
The MSM doesn’t want to put out a “narrative arc” of “Obama wants competent people who despise torture and have no stake in covering up Bush’s evil”–But if you look at the legal appointments and Panetta, that would be a unifying theme.
I agree. This post is a nice pairing with that immediately previous. Where has Feinstein’s diligent and careful respect for insiders and professionals during the debate over Iraq? (for example, Blix, in addition to Ritter, I think) She needs to come up with better explanations.
OT, but Krugman has some disappointing stimulus arithmetic re Obama’s plans in his NY Times blog today.
Obama is not, never has been, nor I believe ever claimed to be a progressive by the standards of the so-called ‘intellectual left’. He is an innovative centrist who is showing interesting and maybe very good thinking regarding some things (for example, Panetta nomination), and fairly bad and timid, and perhaps not very sound, thinking in other areas (economic stimulus).
I think it is very good to focus on the substantive issues on a case by case basis in a businesslike fashion, as this sequence of posts does. Thanks.
let the chip fall where they may.
Depends on when you want to date it. Some go to the time in the (I believe) first Clinton campaign when he was asked “Boxers or brief?”
Others date it to ‘88 when Bernard Shaw asked Dukakis if he would change his mind about being against the death penalty if his wife were raped.
Or it could have been when GAry Hart said “I didn’t do it and you can’t catch me.”
Or even earlier back in the ’70s with Carter and Ford.
Scratch a little deeper, as Sullivan says, and you’ll find a bunch of people frightened at the prospect that their own complicity in brazenly illegal acts will be exposed by someone who doesn’t have skin in the game.
Jane nails it.
they retroactively legalized the president’s lawbreaking because ,a href=”http://brendancalling.com/2008/06/19/vichy-democrats-complicit/”>they knew about and approved the spying and they were enthusiatic supporters of torture,/a>, including that grandmotherly Mrs. Pelosi and everyone’s favorite bubbe, Jane harman:
Damn right they’re afraid of someone they can’t control and who has no skin in the game
Thanks Jane.
Thanks to IrishJim for opening the digg
I agree. I think corporate media still stinks, and the quality of their work is very poor. They were forced to behave slightly better than average after the GOP went off the deep end during the camapaign. Doing otherwise would have made them a laughting stock with over half the country. They were forced to do it.
I don’t think we need no stinking ‘media narratives’ and certainly not any these people will come up with. So hope ‘media narratives’ are given very critical scrutiny and pushback.
damn cheap keyboard at work won’t do tags properly. I have to slam on the fucking keys.
i only trust leon to a point. let’s say a person had access to the evidence to implicate sitting senators and an entire previous admin. more practical would be to get a really big rug to sweap it under as a former thread poster has suggested. He could do it but he has access to some really nasty stuff. could bring down the bama admin.
I believe the word you’re searching for is “infotainment.”
I also believe “gossip politics” probably began on September 1, 1928.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television
So, it was Panetta’s lack of competence that got him a seat on the 10 person Iraq Study Group? Nope. I think Diane and Jay have a great deal to be nervous about.
you are describing best case for trust. i’m not so sure we can get that given the way dc works. i like some current legal challenges the best.
Slightly OT tomorrow is to be a
hystericalhistorical day as Obama goes to the White house to meet with and have lunch with Carter, Bush 1, Clinton and GWB.330 hrs & 59 min
From what I have seen when I am forced to watch that stuff, I think infotanment has turned into infantotainement.
Infotainment it is–we are seeing journalism reduced to the status of pro wrestling.
Rather than centrist or left wing or whatever on some phony continuum with a false framework mostly promulated by the righties and then eagerly lapped up by the “media” so that they don’t have to do their own critical thinking or due diligence, I’d call the incoming Obama administration pragmatists.
We’re not going to like some of the decisions they make, but for the long road and all that needs restoring, I see a leadership team that will be acting to make us a better America.
And I can live with that.
Meanwhile, Mr. Obstruct and Delay Coleman with the Phony-Rovey Politics and Same Bad Actors of 2000, I wish him the fate of Senator Stephens…or the guy on the ski lift in Vail.
Poor guy on the lift – things must have really gotten cold for him. :)
#3 has hit it. No agreement in place to hide their involvement in those two, and perhaps numerous other crimes they agreed to. Their previous airbag is deflating, the car is about to flip, and they aren’t wearing seat belts.
and how about “Che Pitt” for a new restaurant name? It has the islamofascismosisism chic sort of sound to it.
Excellent comment, thanks.
FWIW, I found some small cause for hope in the fact that DiFi, Jello Jay and the other Vichy Dems couldn’t find anyone to “carry their water.”
I reckon they already promised Jane Harman’s seat to someone and now they have to take it back.
As much as I think this is about torture, I also believe the days of doctored intelligence are about to come to an end. And this is important when you consider the pressure vis a vis Syria and Iran that Obama is going to have to deal with.
I’d say the days of special intelligence shops like Dougie Feith’s OSP are a thing of the past. Some, of course, may be discombobulated.
Lol!
I look for Senators Feinstein, Rockefeller, Roberts and McConnell and Representatives Harmon and Boehner, to retire soon to “spend more time with their families”..
Proud member of the VLWC and ACLU!
They control shit.
jeez. i’m an “intellectual” whoda thunk? thanks, chuck.
DiFi and jello Jay are terrified their complicity will be apparent upon the arrival of a New Boss.
Fascinating that Wyden and Feingold are happily on board with Panetta, and that Wyden was consulted.
Nice to think that I know members of the Intellectual Left. Howdy!
What — no Zombie Reagan?
Sorry I’m arriving late, but –
Here’s when I remember being suddenly aware of political discussions in mass media being totally divorced from policy:
Right after Ronald Reagan first reached the White House.
I can even remember the exact moment, when watching This Week (with David Brinkley at the time, I think) I heard everyone at the “round table” talk about stuff like “perception management” and the clever use of “stage management techniques” and the sudden emergence of the he said/she said (there is no truth to be found, nope!) to the exclusion of any concrete policy analysis.
It was a Sunday morning in spring 1981, and I remember my head snapping ’round to stare in astonishment at the screen with a “WTF?” going through my head.
It particularly hit me hard because, at the same time, I was studying in graduate school the heavy use of satire in German literature during the time of Kaiser Wilhelm & Bismarck, to lay bare, parody, and warn about the blurring of all distinctions between politics and theater for the masses.
That’s when I first started worrying about it, for real. When I was a kid, I remembered hearing, distinctly, somewhat serious debates on the consequences of various policy approaches on programs like Meet the Press and Face the Nation.
More recently, I’ve seen video clips from those “olden days of yore” and they have verified the drastic change — the massive dumbing down which occurred over the past 3 decades.
Unfortunately there are so many top Dems entwined in all the law breaking that Rocky and Feinslime have little to worry about. Team OB has made it very clear that they do not want to enforce any laws against Jr. They can’t and the Repubs know it. Hell, Cheney basically dares them to and laughs, he knows there are way to many Dem co-conspiritors. You have ceased to be “a nation under laws for all” which makes you a democracy in name only. US politics resemble that of a 3rd world(or the mob)country not a western democracy.Corruption rules.
With a little luck SciFi, Harmon, Reid, Pelosi and a few others of that Gang Of Nine will BE the trial, along with BoyKing, Darth, Gonzo, and more!! *G*
Gotta go back to the first FCC de reg of Fairness Doctrine, Equal Time Provision and ownership . . . what, ‘76 I think? EVERY one started cutting back on staff, AND content and subject matter . . . . spiraled down thru the decades with further FCC deregs.
That’s one way to look at it thru the media lens . . .*G*
And let’s not forget that airplanes fall from the sky and Cheney has incredible leverage over anyone who DOES know the skinny. Or wants to OUT the skinny . . .
Panetta is really an unknown quantity at CIA. That’s what’s bothering everyone. My guess is that Panetta has Obama’s confidence. Also, what is bothering folks in DiFi’s camp is that Panetta is an ex-Republican who could challenge her later in California for the governorship…or her own Senate seat? I mean, how long will Panetta be cleaning up the intelligence mess that Busholini has left on the ground?