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		<title>By: nanute</title>
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		<dc:creator>nanute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Loo Hoo:&lt;br /&gt;
In my neighborhood in Queesn, the mothers and fathers, sit outside the bus stop in the SUV’s with the kids, so they don’t have to stand in the weather!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loo Hoo:<br />
In my neighborhood in Queesn, the mothers and fathers, sit outside the bus stop in the SUV’s with the kids, so they don’t have to stand in the weather!</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/a-better-stimulus-bill/#comment-1784245</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.verticalfarm.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vertical Farming&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Advantages of Vertical Farming&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; Year-round crop production; 1 indoor acre is equivalent to 4-6 outdoor acres or more, depending upon the crop (e.g., strawberries: 1 indoor acre = 30 outdoor acres)&lt;br /&gt;
 No weather-related crop failures due to droughts, floods, pests&lt;br /&gt;
 All VF food is grown organically: no herbicides, pesticides, or fertilizers&lt;br /&gt;
 VF virtually eliminates agricultural runoff by recycling black water&lt;br /&gt;
 VF returns farmland to nature, restoring ecosystem functions and services&lt;br /&gt;
 VF greatly reduces the incidence of many infectious diseases that are acquired at the agricultural interface&lt;br /&gt;
 VF converts black and gray water into potable water by collecting the water of&lt;br /&gt;
evapotranspiration&lt;br /&gt;
 VF adds energy back to the grid via methane generation from composting non-edible&lt;br /&gt;
parts of plants and animals&lt;br /&gt;
 VF dramatically reduces fossil fuel use (no tractors, plows, shipping.)&lt;br /&gt;
 VF converts abandoned urban properties into food production centers&lt;br /&gt;
 VF creates sustainable environments for urban centers&lt;br /&gt;
 VF creates new employment opportunities&lt;br /&gt;
 We cannot go to the moon, Mars, or beyond without first learning to farm indoors on&lt;br /&gt;
earth&lt;br /&gt;
 VF may prove to be useful for integrating into refugee camps&lt;br /&gt;
 VF offers the promise of measurable economic improvement for tropical and subtropical&lt;br /&gt;
LDCs. If this should prove to be the case, then VF may be a catalyst in helping to reduce or even reverse the population growth of LDCs as they adopt urban agriculture as a strategy for sustainable food production.&lt;br /&gt;
 VF could reduce the incidence of armed conflict over natural resources, such as water&lt;br /&gt;
and land for agriculture &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Massive investment in &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HVDC&lt;/a&gt; High Voltage Direct Current transmission lines.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.verticalfarm.com/" rel="nofollow">Vertical Farming</a></p>
<p>Advantages of Vertical Farming</p>
<blockquote><p> Year-round crop production; 1 indoor acre is equivalent to 4-6 outdoor acres or more, depending upon the crop (e.g., strawberries: 1 indoor acre = 30 outdoor acres)<br />
 No weather-related crop failures due to droughts, floods, pests<br />
 All VF food is grown organically: no herbicides, pesticides, or fertilizers<br />
 VF virtually eliminates agricultural runoff by recycling black water<br />
 VF returns farmland to nature, restoring ecosystem functions and services<br />
 VF greatly reduces the incidence of many infectious diseases that are acquired at the agricultural interface<br />
 VF converts black and gray water into potable water by collecting the water of<br />
evapotranspiration<br />
 VF adds energy back to the grid via methane generation from composting non-edible<br />
parts of plants and animals<br />
 VF dramatically reduces fossil fuel use (no tractors, plows, shipping.)<br />
 VF converts abandoned urban properties into food production centers<br />
 VF creates sustainable environments for urban centers<br />
 VF creates new employment opportunities<br />
 We cannot go to the moon, Mars, or beyond without first learning to farm indoors on<br />
earth<br />
 VF may prove to be useful for integrating into refugee camps<br />
 VF offers the promise of measurable economic improvement for tropical and subtropical<br />
LDCs. If this should prove to be the case, then VF may be a catalyst in helping to reduce or even reverse the population growth of LDCs as they adopt urban agriculture as a strategy for sustainable food production.<br />
 VF could reduce the incidence of armed conflict over natural resources, such as water<br />
and land for agriculture </p>
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<p>Massive investment in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC" rel="nofollow">HVDC</a> High Voltage Direct Current transmission lines.</p>
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		<title>By: timbo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/a-better-stimulus-bill/#comment-1784215</link>
		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nationalize health care.  Yeah, more nurses…and more nurses converting to MDs too.  Reduces the huge financial burden on the American people.  Money saved can be spent on other things…like making mortgage payments?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More energy efficiency in all federally subsidized buildings and infrastructure projects.  Creates greater demand for energy efficient services and products.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Trade-in rebates on the 10% worst polluting vehicles.  Jump starts auto/vehicle industry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Subsidize trash cleanup projects.  Gets every section of major road and all urban streets cleaned up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Comprehensive federal survey of the nations infrastructure needs.  This would employ a lot of people checking out roads, bridges, nations power-grid, water resources, telecommunications, shipping, etc.  The initial survey information would be data submitted by the state.  Information missing or believed to be outdated or inaccurate would be verified in the field by data gathering teams hired for the survey.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the economy is not recovering, begin implementing projects based on obvious needs as determined by the current survey data.  Pass a bill authorizing at least one major project in every state in the union for infrastructure priorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually fund and clean up more the nation’s contaminated and decrepit structures and sites.  (I’m thinking that Detroit alone might well employee hundreds of thousands of folks for years here…)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nationalize health care.  Yeah, more nurses…and more nurses converting to MDs too.  Reduces the huge financial burden on the American people.  Money saved can be spent on other things…like making mortgage payments?</p>
<p>More energy efficiency in all federally subsidized buildings and infrastructure projects.  Creates greater demand for energy efficient services and products.</p>
<p>Trade-in rebates on the 10% worst polluting vehicles.  Jump starts auto/vehicle industry.</p>
<p>Subsidize trash cleanup projects.  Gets every section of major road and all urban streets cleaned up.</p>
<p>Comprehensive federal survey of the nations infrastructure needs.  This would employ a lot of people checking out roads, bridges, nations power-grid, water resources, telecommunications, shipping, etc.  The initial survey information would be data submitted by the state.  Information missing or believed to be outdated or inaccurate would be verified in the field by data gathering teams hired for the survey.</p>
<p>If the economy is not recovering, begin implementing projects based on obvious needs as determined by the current survey data.  Pass a bill authorizing at least one major project in every state in the union for infrastructure priorities.</p>
<p>Actually fund and clean up more the nation’s contaminated and decrepit structures and sites.  (I’m thinking that Detroit alone might well employee hundreds of thousands of folks for years here…)</p>
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		<title>By: DBfromPNW</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/a-better-stimulus-bill/#comment-1784114</link>
		<dc:creator>DBfromPNW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Great post!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How do you propose a ladder up for people who have minimal life skills - showing up for work on time, completing their assignments on time, etc?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They’ve voted in the past and will vote again.  They voted down Prop 87 in California.  They were told that the ’green’ future was not their future and it would cost them.  They don’t see the programs your presenting as a ladder up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s easy to extend new energy jobs to at-risk youth and low-income minority communities.  It’s much easier not to do so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s the political trap and the political opportunity:  Extend a hand, especially when we all need a hand.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only way we’ll be rescued from this economy is if we rescue everyone.  The wealthy don’t understand, at least most don’t.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian;</p>
<p>Great post!</p>
<p>How do you propose a ladder up for people who have minimal life skills &#8211; showing up for work on time, completing their assignments on time, etc?</p>
<p>They’ve voted in the past and will vote again.  They voted down Prop 87 in California.  They were told that the ’green’ future was not their future and it would cost them.  They don’t see the programs your presenting as a ladder up.</p>
<p>It’s easy to extend new energy jobs to at-risk youth and low-income minority communities.  It’s much easier not to do so.</p>
<p>There’s the political trap and the political opportunity:  Extend a hand, especially when we all need a hand.</p>
<p>The only way we’ll be rescued from this economy is if we rescue everyone.  The wealthy don’t understand, at least most don’t.</p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/a-better-stimulus-bill/#comment-1784050</link>
		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;improve infrastructure - the electric grid, bridges. pay people who know how to teach and help people install gardens.  build homes for the homeless.  fund services for our veterans.  of course, if we came home from iraq and afghanistan, we’d have lots more money to spend.  and even more if we rolled back tax cuts for the wealthy.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;fund environmental organizations so we can eliminate pollution.  fund campaign finance reform.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FUND INDEPENDENT MEDIA.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>improve infrastructure &#8211; the electric grid, bridges. pay people who know how to teach and help people install gardens.  build homes for the homeless.  fund services for our veterans.  of course, if we came home from iraq and afghanistan, we’d have lots more money to spend.  and even more if we rolled back tax cuts for the wealthy.  </p>
<p>fund environmental organizations so we can eliminate pollution.  fund campaign finance reform.  </p>
<p>FUND INDEPENDENT MEDIA.</p>
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		<title>By: mamazboy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/a-better-stimulus-bill/#comment-1784049</link>
		<dc:creator>mamazboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;These are such smart, sensible ideas. I cannot figure out why the Obama team has suddenly abandoned their brains and not been able to come up with similar (or identical) plans. What is going on?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are such smart, sensible ideas. I cannot figure out why the Obama team has suddenly abandoned their brains and not been able to come up with similar (or identical) plans. What is going on?</p>
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		<title>By: oldgold</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/a-better-stimulus-bill/#comment-1784047</link>
		<dc:creator>oldgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is an AP article published yesterday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;.Even strong salaries aren’t doing the trick. Registered nurses made an average of $62,480 in 2007, ranging from a mean of $78,550 in California to $49,140 in Iowa, according to government statistics. Including overtime, usually abundantly available, the most experienced nurses can earn more than $100,000.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics predicts about 233,000 additional jobs will open for registered nurses each year through 2016, on top of about 2.5 million existing positions. But only about 200,000 candidates passed the Registered Nurse licensing exam last year, and thousands of nurses leave the profession each year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jmYNLpjnQVBvOz3VsomIl0-d31tQD95H6AAO0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.google.com/hostedne.....QD95H6AAO0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an AP article published yesterday.</p>
<blockquote><p>.Even strong salaries aren’t doing the trick. Registered nurses made an average of $62,480 in 2007, ranging from a mean of $78,550 in California to $49,140 in Iowa, according to government statistics. Including overtime, usually abundantly available, the most experienced nurses can earn more than $100,000.</p>
<p>The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics predicts about 233,000 additional jobs will open for registered nurses each year through 2016, on top of about 2.5 million existing positions. But only about 200,000 candidates passed the Registered Nurse licensing exam last year, and thousands of nurses leave the profession each year.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jmYNLpjnQVBvOz3VsomIl0-d31tQD95H6AAO0" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostedne&#8230;..QD95H6AAO0</a></p>
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		<title>By: oldgold</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, I know they don’t. Yet, most of these towns [Podunks], such as the county seat town I live in, have plenty of lawyers, CPAs, engineers and professional educators.&lt;br /&gt;
I think, in part, the scarcity of MDs and nurses in the hinterlands and the tremendous unsustainable increase in  medical costs in this nation is related to the limited number of slots in these  professional schools.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I know they don’t. Yet, most of these towns [Podunks], such as the county seat town I live in, have plenty of lawyers, CPAs, engineers and professional educators.<br />
I think, in part, the scarcity of MDs and nurses in the hinterlands and the tremendous unsustainable increase in  medical costs in this nation is related to the limited number of slots in these  professional schools.</p>
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		<title>By: oldgold</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/a-better-stimulus-bill/#comment-1784044</link>
		<dc:creator>oldgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My sons are my links. One graduated last year and the other is in his second year.&lt;br /&gt;
The debts are no more staggering, actually less so, than teachers or social workers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sons are my links. One graduated last year and the other is in his second year.<br />
The debts are no more staggering, actually less so, than teachers or social workers.</p>
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		<title>By: katymine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/06/a-better-stimulus-bill/#comment-1784043</link>
		<dc:creator>katymine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have lived in many small towns across the country…… Wickenberg AZ, Mt Home ID, Elko NV, even Placerville CA where the citizens has to drive to the nearest large city to obtain care.  In Elko, it was 200 miles in any direction to a large town, Salt Lake, Reno/Tahoe or Boise…… These towns cannot support high income MD’s and many do NOT want to live in podunk USA……&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived in many small towns across the country…… Wickenberg AZ, Mt Home ID, Elko NV, even Placerville CA where the citizens has to drive to the nearest large city to obtain care.  In Elko, it was 200 miles in any direction to a large town, Salt Lake, Reno/Tahoe or Boise…… These towns cannot support high income MD’s and many do NOT want to live in podunk USA……</p>
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