Ugh!

Six degrees of Ron Rosenbaum:

Ron = schmuck.

Hey, did it in one!

Good Gawd, when will the stupidity stop?

It’s like we are trying to win a race to see who goes over the cliff first.

Go Team!

So let me get this straight.
barbara is religiously unaffiliated.
barbara was a peacemaking activist in the day.
barbara finds war appalling.
barbara finds the slaughter of innocents more appalling still.
barbara was appalled when the U.S. slaughtered innocents in Iraq.
barbara is an opponent of unilateral and/or bilateral genocide.
ergo, barbara is a Hitler-loving Nazi.
How’m I doing so far?

Bingo!

Some — not all — neocons are bloodthirsty warmongering assholes.

Hey Pups start off the New Year by making sure you Digg this Post and every Post to show just how much you love the Lake!! So DIGG IT!

I think the shrillness of these pro-Israel defenders is a good indication that they and Israel are feeling the heat. I missed the part though how keeping Palestinians imprisoned in Gaza and completely dependent on Israel are made to feel freer and safer by Israel’s killing more than 500 of them.

Or you could have taken the Doughy Pantload short-cut like this
dakin01 = self-professed liberal
Liberal = fascist
therefore dakineo1 = Hitler loving Nazi

(and I now need some serious drugs to clean up after writing that nonsense)

Wow, this is so much lke how we supported our current wars its not even funny.

Clap harder, commie.

None of the media jagoffs have pointed out that the same coalition of the shilling that cheerleaded the Iraqi debacle are the same clowns that are whole hog for this latest clusterfuck.

The media as Charlie Brown.

-G

I also find it despicable that the more brutal the Israeli actions the more it is couched in concern for the Palestinians supposed well being.

And yes, I reject beheading and crucifxion.

And yes, I reject beheading and crucifxion.

Liar!

When Israeli fascists go off the deep end, they really, really, really go off the deep end.

I love it when protest against killing civilians is equated with “support of hamas” and therefore Hitler. /s It’s quite a change from being called “self-hating Jew”.

one more level of shrill to go – when instead of being calling pro-terrorist, they cut to the chase and say that supporting the human rights of palestinians makes us terrorists.

maybe there are exceptions, but right now it looks to me like every country has it’s fascists and ever religion it’s fundamentalists.

Some one needs to tell the the “librul jew” that when poor old Israel laid siege to Gaza punishing all therein they became war criminals. While I don’t like the firing of rockets at population centers in Israel WTF is Hamas’s alternatives. Brittain spoiled the US during the Revolutionary war by dressing its troops in bright red and having them march abreast of each other towards their objective. Now it appears we and our controllers in Israel think that is how war should be waged.
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completely OT – House Financial Services hearing at 2pm: Assessing the Madoff Ponzi and the Need for Regulatory Reform. details and links at oxdown.

Which is why I detest nationalism and religion. ;)

BTW drom TPMMuckraker, Obama’s other picks for the DOJ were announced today:

David Ogden for Deputy Attorney General;
Elena Kagan, Solicitor General;
Tom Perrelli, Associate Attorney General;
Dawn Johnsen, Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel.

Glenn Greenwald has a positive post up about Johnsen.

Ogden worked in Clinton’s DOJ. His wiki says he worked after that at “Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr, co-running the firm’s Government and Regulatory Litigation Practice Group.” Just what we needed another guy who was into ways for corporations to avoid regulation. Yep, real good sign there.

Elena Kagan has far as I know has not done any real litigation. The Solicitor General is the one who is supposed to argue the government’s side of cases before SCOTUS. A Seth Waxman or someone like him who has argued before the court would have been much better.

Tom Perrelli I don’t know anything really about except what is at TPM

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi…..s.php#more

All 4 were part of the Clinton Administration.

this is an important distinction. can’t say that i am pro hamas bc of the extremes. but, do i support a fair shake for those in gaza who are not hamas? well, that is the point. try trapping a docile creature in a corner and starving it while kicking. what do you suppose ya get?

Ron Suskind, presumably speaking of Karl Rove on the topic of DISCERNIBLE REALITY:

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn’t like about Bush’s former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House’s displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn’t fully comprehend — but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were ”in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

Google: Hasbara” and there you will come to know an arm of Mossad, whose entire goal is to foster the type of triple-speak BS of Mr. Rosenbaum – laying the groundwork to ensure that ALL critics of Israel are labeled as Nazis and anti-Semites – while using the likes of Myrav Wurmser to invent false narratives through MEMRI to ensure that you have absolutely no means by which to discern reality where the Middle East is concerned.

Articles such as this are no less a part of IDF war strategy than its use of US made weapons.

Markopolos apparently called in sick.

I was a HUGE supporter of Israel until I went to a benefit in Seattle in 1983. The benefit featured drawings and paintings by Palestinian orphans who had lived in the Shatila and Sabra refugee camps. Their parents had been killed by Lebanese Phalangist militiamen in September, 1982, as the Israeli occupiers watched, and even trucked the Phalange guerillas in, sometimes arming them.

I was skeptical when I went into the exhibit/benefit. But meeting the kids and their sponsors, and – especially – looking at the drawings, shook me to the core. I made some Palestinian friends, some with whom I still stay in touch.

Between the 1982 Lebanon invasion and now, each IDF campaign has been different from the rest.

Four things I’ve noticed that are different about this present war crime:

1) The images of kids being maimed and killed are far more prominent in the media than I’ve seen before.

2) The huge disparity between the IDF and the people of Gaza cannot be hidden by all the layers of pro-Israel bias in the coverage. The IDF’s and the Israeli government’s own propaganda that they distribute – the war porn of rows of Merkava tanks and of “precision” munitions shattering city blocks juxtaposed against semi-starving families hiding from this power, works against the invaders.

3) American Jews are less prone to accepting bullying by militant Zionists in their midst. The work of people like Mike Lerner and Phil Weiss in this area cannot be under estimated.

4) Americans and Europeans increasingly see the linkage between failed US and failed Israeli policies.

damn. that’s too bad. thanks for the heads up.

In order to discern reality, you really have to watch this to see how the propaganda game is played by Israel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..r_embedded

Another false choice: “If you are not for us you are against us”

I’m getting kind of sick of the dilution of the term “fascist” or “fascism.”

It gets used to demonize everything, and in the process its actual meaning is gone.

When Zippy Livini said “there is no humanitarian crisis” I thought that was as telling as Bush’s “heckuva job Brownie” and McCain’s “fundamentals of the economy are strong”.

Just so brazenly dishonest. As is the talk of concern for the Palestinian people on one hand while claiming that the point of the invasion is to ‘teach a lesson’ with overwhelming force.

-G

It was learning about Sabra-Shatilla that caused me to reconfigure my unalloyed support for the actions of Israel too.

Collective punishment is a war crime.

Protests in CA re Gaza and local media coverage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvsZtIB4-IM

The interview below with Alan Stein is from the Connecticut Jewish Ledger. Stein leads a group called PRIMER-CT

http://www.primerct.org

which boasts of generating letters pressuring media. They engage in attempts to silence free speech not only in the media but also at universities and colleges in CT as evident from their 2004 report posted on their website (e.g. their letters to CCSU, they recently removed from their site some “analysis” action calls which now they send to selected and verified “subscribers”). There are dozens (perhaps more) of such groups like MEMRI, CAMERA, HONESTREPORTING, and PRIMER which have the money and staff to spread what they call Hasbara (Hebrew for PR) to distort reality and intimidate and pressure people. The Palestine Right to Return Coalition (Al-Awda.org) which Stein attacks has a very different mission and goals.

Congressman Paul Findley’s book “They Dare to Speak Out” explains many of these tactics of those who tried to suppress anyone who starts to tell the truth about US disastrous foreign policy in support of Israeli aparthied, occupation, and ethnic cleansing. He also argues that the huge resources they put in this are needed because they are trying to suppress the truth; suppressing the truth needs far more resources and money.

For detailed studies of the fabrications of groups like CAMERA and MEMRI, visit:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/else…..58,00.html This is must reading about MEMRI and its “credibility”
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1869.shtml
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article445.shtml
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article7.shtml
http://www.abunimah.org/features/020815memri.html
http://electronicintifada.net/…..amera.html
http://www.abunimah.org/features/000403camera.html
http://santacruz.indymedia.org…../index.php

So, to review, not clapping loudly enough for Israeli’s offensive in Gaza makes you objectively pro-Hamas, and by historical extension, a Nazi.

ITYM hysterical extension.

if that were true the shrub would be in jail right now. got ta catch them with blood drops like oj.

Fire meet Assoline.

Hamas is horrible, and the beheading of women and the stoning of gays, among many other well-documented issues, is real. And watching Western liberals support Hamas is, to partially steal a quote from P.J. O’Rourke, like watching a Spotted Owl shoot sponsored by PETA.

I again remind you that more than a year ago one of the people in charge of the rockets that have been fired against Israel admitted that the goal of the rocket fire was to provoke an Israeli attack. The rocket fire was not in response to Israel closing off the Gaza strip (as reported in the New York Times and other reliable sources, the strip was only closed – as claimed by the Israelis – in response to rocket fire), it was meant solely to cause an Israeli attack.

What a demented bunch – and they have wide support among the people of Gaza. And reading many of you who support them – yes, just like watching a PETA Spotted Owl shoot. And no more bizarre or unbelievable than if you had supported Hitler.

Juan Cole makes that point today as well.

http://www.juancole.com/

Hey Israel, you’re slipping in your own hubris!

Who a) disputes Hamas is horrible and b) supports them?

Wow… thank you for that share. “Reality has become irrelevant” I heard someone say on AA the other day. And Colbert’s “truthiness” coinage.

I heard Helen Thomas today really giving it to Dana about the carnage in Gaza. And Dana blinked daintily and did her spin. The reporters were agitated which was good to see and hitting that wall of denial. No surprise.

What shocks me is that Obama acknowledged the tragedy in Mumbai but is walking the tightrope of all or nothing Israeli cronyism.

I am hoping the “100 monkeys” theory of activism reach the critical mass so that the whole monkey nation’s conscience gets a serious pricking. I am talking about the US.

I have left messages with Congress and the House in protest of the Gaza massacre. It is sad that when you are calling from another state, you are made to feel irrelevant, too, to a degree. 71% of this country according to Glenn G. want even-handed dealings in the Mideast. 100% of our political ruling class is dysfunctional codependent with Israel.

Patriarchal power and competitive world needs a paradigm shift to a feminist, humanist sensibility. Killing is wrong. Citizens of countries are not video game collateral damage. Gamesmanship that costs human lives and suffering when it is about power and control is evil. Spinning justifications without seriously negotiating for the common good is evil, whether by reps in Israel or here.

Israel and the US have made serious mistakes. Are we going to ever get cluster and gas bombed as innocents for their willful perpetration of this massacre at some point, with the whole world shrugging it off as war is sometimes necessary, especially with a culture that they have decided can only respond to “power”. How’s that for projection? There are terrorists as individuals and groups. And then there are terrorist states. Are we? Is Israel? Israel was abused and suffers discrimination. Does not give it a blank check to do its own preemptive self defense. Degree IS important. Look at Russia and Georgia. Shock and awe is SOP now.

The Hassbara/Megaphone disinformation is here in spades.

one of the people

So the answer is to simply slaughter everyone? How Biblical.

hey there. got a suggestion to stop the current action?

OT Leon Panetta to head CIA
357 hrs & 28 min

Some more on Thomas Perelli~ Former counsel to Attorney General Janet Reno, rising to Deputy Asst. AG, supervising the Federal Programs Branch of the Civil Division. He thus represented federal agencies in civil litigation primarily defending the constitutionality of federal statutes, agency regulations, Title VII, personnel/social security litigation. In that role Perrelli led the DOJ’s Tobacco Litigation Team against cigarette manufacturers. He also played a role in compelling implementation of medical records privacy and defending the use of adjusted figures in the census. He defended regulations of Indian gaming and legal ethics.

One major (to me) negative~in his private capacity at Jenner and Block since 2001, Perrelli represented the RIAA in using intellectual property, anti-piracy technology, and litigation.
One positive in his private career~Perrelli represented Democratic voters and politicians in redistricting (gerrymandering and using flawed-unweighted-counts) litigation arising from 2000 Census.

Reducio ad absurdem. I never said anything of the sort. And Israel isn’t doing anything of the sort. But it is war and, as you well know, civilian deaths are inevitable in war. Especially when Hamas and Islamic Jihad planned to fight among a large civilian population.

I hope you mean over estimated.

But it is war and, as you well know, civilian deaths are inevitable in war.

Goebbels couldn’t have said it better!

So Bush sells Saudi Arabia the country that gave us Ossama Nuclear Reactor technology and the Neocons and MSM remain quiet.
But we are traitors because we want Israel to make a fair peace rather than to keep on committing war crimes.
Sure Hamas was shooting at them but if everyone in the world does the eye for an eye bit of justice the world will go blind.
I’m guessing Bush has only read the old testament.

I know, like I said the last time we spoke I hate having to support Hamas. And I hate the way Isreal has driven the people of Gaza into their arms.

Putz.

Do I have a suggestion how to stop the current action? Yes. Stop supporting Hamas. Post messages everywhere and hold demonstrations in which you express your outrage that they deliberately goaded an Israeli attack in an urban area. And demand that U.S. politicians continue to support Israel.

In that way, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Iran, and the people in Gaza who support them, will realize that their ploy, which was to use civilian deaths to foment anti-Israeli sentiment, has failed. They will be forced to negotiate in good faith.

The alternative is that you continue doing what you are doing. Israel will cave in to outside pressure. And Hamas and Islamic Jihad will continue with preparations for the next phase, which will without doubt involve as many or more civilian casualties, all in the name of a belief system that ought to make Western liberals cringe.

Bush and Sharon made a secret pact – a deal done between two co-conspirators.

Do you know the deal was? Isn’t it obvious by now?

http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com

Why are Christian Fundies and Zionists in alignment with their plan to control all of the Middle East? Why do the Armageddonists rule the asylum?

Netanyahu is up next – do you know what’s in store?

Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html

He meant it.

So you deny that war inevitably kills civilians? Was victory over Germany and Japan unjust because civilians were killed?

Bush Nukes and the Saudis

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1302

what do you think the acceptable % collateral damage might be for a moral nation? it’s 20-25% now. too low?

Intentionally targeting civilians yes Germany during the air battle for Britain could have attacked military targets with their airforce instead they chose London.

I have been judiciously studying the reality of the Neo-Conservative Empire. And I found another “Oh Dana” Story.

PERINO: We understand the need to try to create a more stable and secure area for themselves and also for the Palestinian people, who have been held hostage by Hamas in Gaza since the summer of 2007. And we urge them to be very cautious when it comes to civilian casualties. We want to keep them to an absolute minimum.

Vanity Fair has reported that the Bushies successfully created a civil war between Hamas and Fatah. Heck of a job Oh Dana.

Vanity Fair had obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war. The plan was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America’s behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government from power. (The State Department declined to comment.)

But the secret plan backfired, resulting in a further setback for American foreign policy under Bush. Instead of driving its enemies out of power, the U.S.-backed Fatah fighters inadvertently provoked Hamas to seize total control of Gaza.

Jews support the maintenance of the Nazi-like theological fascists of Hamas, who support the beheading of women and the stoning of gays, in power, rather than use force to oust them.

So by this logic the Neocons should not support the GOP because they would like to stone Gays? Where’s Teddy?

thanks. i thought you might have a solution to address the CURRENT problem. i’ll just continue to support the people of palestine.

USing depleted uranium in bombs or artillary shells is also criminal
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/…..a-victims/
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Hamas has done the things in the name of “protecting” their society from evil. Meanwhile the Israelis do something similar to protect their society from “evil”.
The Israeli mass-rocketing into Gaza has decapitated, blinded, deafened, dismembered, resulted in the amputation of limbs, and killed hundreds of civilian men, women and children as well. They have starved and created a massive medical emergency in Gaza with the threat of disease and epidemic.

The Israelis do so to eliminate the evil Hamas…who has perhaps killed 20 Israelis over the past few decade with their missile attacks. This is analogous to using the case of Leopold and Loeb to vilify all homosexuals, or all Jews. It’s “overkill” and justifies the killing of innocents for the crime of being “associated” (i.e. they live in the same community) as the guilty.

Remember the Warsaw Ghetto? It was given autonomous status by the Nazi’s. It was “self-governing”, but essentially sealed off. The Jews created tunnels to bring in food and supplies. Some joined with the Polish resistance and fought the Nazis. That, of course, was used as the excuse by the Nazi’s to “destroy the resistance” by razing the ghetto.

And we urge them to be very cautious when it comes to civilian casualties. We want to keep them to an absolute minimum.

I am surprised she didn’t use some term like “acceptable collateral damage.”

My favorite editor! I always get that one confused when I run it through my mind. Comes from living 11 miles from Sarah Palin….

Listen, [Mod Note: No personal insults please], war is wrong. One avoids it. Humans negotiate. They talk. Oh, and they also don’t steal another’s land either, then box those people in an open-air prison, then murder their sick and starving descendents. Is that clear enough?

I have never heard anyone here say that they supported Hamas. If my tax dollars are paying for weapons to kill children and people who have no place to run, I get to criticize – a lot.

Jews support the maintenance of the Nazi-like theological fascists of Hamas, who support the beheading of women and the stoning of gays, in power, rather than use force to oust them.

When democracy fails people can get insular and hating of all things different force will be met by force if nothing else works and you are still able to respond.
The UN has failed to bring peace, we have failed we represent Democracy. In WW2 Germany’s government failed and they got Hitler. We lucked out and got FDR.
In Iran Democracy won but we supported a English coup against a Democratic government and now look what we got!

I don’t see how that can be done when all congresscritters seem to be running over each other to speak the same cant on hamas rockets being the justification.

Hugh~ Oops! Emptywheel has more on these selections so maybe we should take these OT’s over there.

Hamas should accept slavery? I find it brave that despite the Israeli’s over whelming response everytime over the last few decades that they keep fighting.
Even though they know what will happen.
Israel fought the Romans even though they knew what would happen and Herod built them that Temple they are so proud of Now.
Rome had a slave problem Spartacus even though Rome had laws were if one slave killed a master the whole household was killed.
Rome, Israel etc the human spirit will fight to be free even if it means death.

we have a long uphill fight given that this is such a christian nation. i swear, this religion thing gives 60-70% of the public a blind spot.

What is a slave someone who works for you yes but also someone not in control of their lives, someone without the basic rights in the consitution

So I went to GIYUS.org to see what kind of a group it is. Their homepage is as you might expect.
http://giyus.org/

GIYUS it turns out is an acronym for Give Israel Your United Support. And here is what is displayed on the front page of GIYUS.org.

Today’s conflicts are won by public opinion.
Now is the time to be active and voice Israel’s side to the world.

Join the effort in 3 easy steps:

1. Download and install Megaphone desktop tool
2. Receive desktop alerts on key articles and surveys
3. Click alerts to easily voice your opinion

Help us by reporting relevant articles and surveys.

Together we can make a difference!

In case you don’t now about Megaphone, it is described in Wikipedia as “the pro-Israel lobbying software tool”. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on Megaphone.

The Megaphone desktop tool is a Microsoft Windows application distributed by the World Union of Jewish Students and other pro-Israel organizations, through the Giyus.org website. Released on July 19, 2006, it delivers real-time alerts about key articles, videos, blogs, and surveys to subscribers so that they can voice their opinions and work together to support Israel on the public opinion front.

So now you can see the relationship:
IsraeliGirl->founder of GIYUS.org->distributor of Megaphone->pro-Israel lobbying software->work together to support Israel

Now that reminds me of something in the Digg TOS that was supposedly the reason for banning me from Digg. What could it be? Oh right! I remember.

or participating in any other organized effort that in any way artificially alters the results of Digg’s services

Is it just a coincidence that the day before I was banned I sent out a shout asking my friends to bury a particular article submitted by IsraeliGirl, and also suggested that they bury any other articles posted by IsraeliGirl? Why am I the one that got banned, when clearly IsraeliGirl and the Megaphonies are the ones gaming the system on Digg?

Is Digg another “Israeli-Occupied Territory” on the internet? Why does Digg allow someone who blatantly advertises their connection to a coordinated effort to manipulate internet public opinion to continue to be a member? IsraeliGirl is clearly in gross violation of the Digg Terms of Service, yet she has been allowed to become one of the most powerful Digg members recently. And this is at a time when Israel is engaging in the massacre of innocent Palestinians.

If Digg didn’t claim to be a democratic and politically neutral site, then this would be no problem. But if Digg is pursuing a pro-Zionist agenda while pretending to be neutral, then Digg is a fraud and needs to be exposed.

http://futurenewstoday.blogspo…..g-tos.html

Reducio ad absurdem. I never said anything of the sort. And Israel isn’t doing anything of the sort. But it is war and, as you well know, civilian deaths are inevitable in war. Especially when Hamas and Islamic Jihad planned to fight among a large civilian population.

Again so the 500+ people Israel has killed in Gaza? Not its fault. If 500+ Israelis had been killed in the last few days would you be singing the same sick tune? Hey, remember it’s just war, sad and inevitable, and all that.

interesting take on digg.

OT Leon Panetta to head CIA

Is this snark or bitter irony?

Gregg Levine upstairs “Leon Panetta to Head CIA”

This was announced on MSNBC and discussed at length
356 hrs & 57 min

Links
http://townhall.com/news/us/20…..o_head_cia
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/…..n-panetta/
356 hrs & 54 min

Why does Digg allow someone who blatantly advertises their connection to a coordinated effort to manipulate internet public opinion to continue to be a member?

think you answered your question yourself. the other poster doesn’t affect digg itself.

After I have dutifully read Open Left for the last week, Ron Rosenbaum is making the point that the Hamas regime is evil and dangerous. Then he misses the point that no one in the Israeli government has claimed that their goal is to overthrow Hamas. This is sensible because if the rockets stop, Hamas can be contained, and there is no one more acceptable to take over.

The post upstairs is on it. I’m just really underwhelmed by it.

A war for regime change purposes damages the skeleton of a peace process. A negotiating partner in such skeleton must be someone the Palestinians have themselves chosen, even if Hamas will never do it.

Yes I couldn’t agree more.

Crap. 82 was in response to 69. I hate it when I hit the wrong buttons.

Oh, no one around here ever says anything like that do they?

I’ve torned up the page in my dictionary with the definition of liberal. You’ll never see it again.

…a Basil Fawlty reference.

I have never used it, but of course it is much used here. Many have commented on Digg not working, needing more than one attempt etc. Combined with what we all know as to hasbara now, it appeared to be a good article to mention. If there is indeed censorship happening, those of you who use Digg will notice if your comments disappear, etc. Internet censorship is one of the biggest threats we face, I think.

Dual loyalty can no longer be dismissed as an anti-Semitic canard.

Yeah Raven, folks here often sit on Hamas anti-aircraft guns and wave the Hamas flag.

-G

Of course not, silly.

Also, no one here ever makes outrageous comparisons to the Nazis, either. Nuh-uh.

plunger, thanks for the link. Recommended.

I asked a few days ago if you had seen this..here’s my answer.’g’. I think that when megaphones show up here, we should start giving out this link as an educational tool. It could be code for “oh oh here’s another one”.

He meant it, alright..hmm..about those foreign governments involved in 911 that Bob Graham referred to…enough said.

Tell us how you really feel..’G’. A challenge for you; which one is not a bloodthirsty warmongering asshole?

How dare you accuse anyone of supporting hitler. you are so out of control as to appear hysterical. war is wrong. period. and from war peace will never be achieved. the israeli agression is a slaughter, so with your standards, unfortunately it is you sir, who the most like hitler, since you support it. good day.

oops..should have added this..the entire transcript of Bob Graham’s interview on PBS are linked to from this article.

Barack Obama should as part of his state of the union speach say something like this:

“I do not have the wisdom to solve the Arab-Israeli problem with a 100 days program, but I do have an idea for another problem that isn’t talked about, the Palestinian-American Problem.

To those suffering in Gaza and those waiting for a homeland in the West Bank, I will commit our diplomatic, financial and moral resources to crafting a Louisiana-Purchase type Land Deal. This will augment whatever Final boarders they work out with Israel and is not in lieu of mutually agreed upon borders between Israel and Palestine. But just as Thomas Jefferson vision bequethed to us thru acquisition instead of war a huge swath of land that enriched the 13 Colonies beyond measure, so we will do with Egypt for you in the Sinia. This land will become your Oasis and you will be known as they who Made a Garden of Eden out of the Sand of the Desert.

To support this Dream, the land will be accompanied with a great water desalination project, powered by Solar Energy which the World Bank will fund with Generous Support from all who want to see Peace and Prosperity for their brethren in Palestine. Palestinians will be the major employees of the construction jobs necessary for this project. These are jobs that can wean Militias of Men from their weapons. Thru the sweat of their brow they toiled in Israel’s construction industry. Now they will do it for themselves and profit from it. Now you will be given the opportunity to turn Desert into Paradise.

Later, as the project Matures, Palestine will export water to the Region, reducing the threat of a future war over water rights and giving the Palestinian people a replenishable source for economic stability. So while other regional economies based upon oil exhaust their resource, Palestine will be given a replenishable one.

Those that are willing to come meet us in the desert so that we can build this Dream of a Palestinian Oasis will be granted a generous swath of land to own with guaranteed irrigation and electricity thru the desalination project and the Solar Panel Industry. All they have to commit to, is to forgo their arms and try a truly nonviolent path to Peace.”

For our part, we have faith that if most of you meet us in the desert, you will make a statement much stronger than all your rockets could ever do. Peace will then come without Bloodshed as Gandi would have had it”

The idea can be expanded upon in many directions including theological.

For if the Americans offered this and the palestinians accepted, then in a matter of a few years we could all be living in the time when ‘they turned their swords to plowshares and man knew of war no More’.

Now isn’t that a better place to be going to than where we are currently headed.

For those of you who like this and pass it on,
Thanks,

EdinPoe

Gretemike said ‘Israel will cave in to outside pressure.’ Gretemike, this time it will NOT happen. Actually, what Hamas is doing, may tremendously help Israel. Think about elections in Israel less than 5 weeks from now (on February,10). The results of the elections will definitely be affected by the ongoing military campaign. What Israel needs is a new generations of leaders – REAL LEADERS who will end the criminal policy of appeasment of Arabs.

I find it interesting that most of the current Israeli leadership were all members of Lehi, Irgun and Mossad (time line names for the same organisation). This organisation negotiated a allied partnership with the Nazi party in 1941, to jointly attack the British and the Lehi/Irgun in part payment for Hitlers help to expel the British from the Mandate assisted in the ‘removal’ of jews in Europe. In other words, rather than people who support Palestinians in the conentration camp Gaza, being Nazi sympathisers, the current Israeli leadership was directly complicit in the Holocaust. They are following their mentors Ghetto genocidal policies to achieve their Jewsish ‘Lebensraum’.

Pardon the interruption, but you need to come with links, and you need to do it soon.