Comments on: Violence is the Tool of the Incompetent http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:54:48 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: george27042006 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1782081 george27042006 Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:17:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1782081 <p>A valid point was made. When you are a jew (as I am) and have lived in Israel (as I have) Then you have a real right to make certain statements. But a great many people have died in this world to give all of us a right to express their opinion. I would wish however that the opinions were at least based on fact and not on someone’s utopial thoughts. For anybody who is really interested there are alot of facts to find at : <a href="http://richard.richardkulies.com/Presentations_2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://richard.richardkulies.c.....ions_2.htm</a> Everybody feel free to visit and learn.</p> A valid point was made. When you are a jew (as I am) and have lived in Israel (as I have) Then you have a real right to make certain statements. But a great many people have died in this world to give all of us a right to express their opinion. I would wish however that the opinions were at least based on fact and not on someone’s utopial thoughts. For anybody who is really interested there are alot of facts to find at : http://richard.richardkulies.c…..ions_2.htm Everybody feel free to visit and learn.

]]> By: george27042006 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1782044 george27042006 Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:53:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1782044 <p>Well put!!</p> Well put!!

]]> By: TICLDNTCLD http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781881 TICLDNTCLD Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:25:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781881 <p>”Violence is the Tool of the Incompetent”</p> <p>I am not competent to speak to the Israeli-Palestinian problem. The U.N. created it years ago.</p> <p>I would like to speak to that statement, ”Violence is the Tool of the Incompetent.”</p> <p>That statement is true, up to a point. It can hardly be labeled true if and when violence is the only remaining option for protecting yourself, your family or other loved ones from those who wish to visit violence upon them.</p> <p>It might be more realistic to state, ”Violence is a tool of last resort.”</p> <p>This is the most basic teaching of martial art. We learn to fight so that we may avoid it.</p> ”Violence is the Tool of the Incompetent”

I am not competent to speak to the Israeli-Palestinian problem. The U.N. created it years ago.

I would like to speak to that statement, ”Violence is the Tool of the Incompetent.”

That statement is true, up to a point. It can hardly be labeled true if and when violence is the only remaining option for protecting yourself, your family or other loved ones from those who wish to visit violence upon them.

It might be more realistic to state, ”Violence is a tool of last resort.”

This is the most basic teaching of martial art. We learn to fight so that we may avoid it.

]]> By: Adie http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781698 Adie Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:15:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781698 <p>Dear Jane. I admire you for… oh well… you know. I wish I had better skills in certain areas, so I could help. I hope not to have caused further discord….</p> Dear Jane. I admire you for… oh well… you know. I wish I had better skills in certain areas, so I could help. I hope not to have caused further discord….

]]> By: Adie http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781696 Adie Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:13:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781696 <p>Of course I sound stupid. Would it matter to you what I said, irregardless of detail?</p> <p>Mutual respect is good. It’s a start.</p> Of course I sound stupid. Would it matter to you what I said, irregardless of detail?

Mutual respect is good. It’s a start.

]]> By: Adie http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781693 Adie Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:11:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781693 <p>Did you eat meat, wear leather, step on an ant, swat a fly today. For shame. You have offended my values.</p> Did you eat meat, wear leather, step on an ant, swat a fly today. For shame. You have offended my values.

]]> By: AmericanBorn57 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781624 AmericanBorn57 Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:59:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781624 <p>Violence is what fools use for tools, well planned, well executed use of tools is what great armies use against fools. </p> <p>The Gazans could have chosen a destiny of living peacibly next to the Israelis and life could have been quite simple. They could have chosen to put down the muslim terror plans and rule like modern people, instead of acting and ruling like the rest of unsettled Africa or the backward muslim extremist world.</p> <p>The putzes that have posted otherwise on this blog offer such little support to the “cause” of the Gazanians. The choice was theirs, and they chose the wrong way. Darfur, Somalia, etc, etc, etc. all still stone age support groups with little interest in moving into 2009. Even the new President Elect of the US, Mr. B. Hussein Obama, having brothers and sisters living in squalor on less than $20 a year while he pulls in over $4 million himself last year, doesn’t offer his kinfolk a fin for an increased standard or living.</p> <p>Look, one point a lot of you bloggers seem to be missing is that to be Jewish is first a racial thing, not just because they decided to go to a synagogue, as in a religious thing! This may go to some of the lame discussions on cleansing v. genocide. The history lessons were nice - but if you’ll pardon the pun, no one “nose” Jews like other Jews!</p> <p>So here’s the deal, if you are eating pretty well, finding nice clothes and shelter, consider if it is because of some sand jockey or because of those low-life Americans that have shed blood for good since the inception of the country - ultimately even including those drunken, non-working, red brothers of mine. </p> <p>The folks that we really want to win are the ones that suck oil out of the ground in the Middle East, right? They are everyone’s friend, right? Look at all the good things Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen - Oh man, can you list all those things we have in our houses and because of their intelligence? </p> <p>Any you, the winged one, Peace IS possible, once you run out of idealogs that refuse to accept anyone that differs on an opinion.</p> Violence is what fools use for tools, well planned, well executed use of tools is what great armies use against fools.

The Gazans could have chosen a destiny of living peacibly next to the Israelis and life could have been quite simple. They could have chosen to put down the muslim terror plans and rule like modern people, instead of acting and ruling like the rest of unsettled Africa or the backward muslim extremist world.

The putzes that have posted otherwise on this blog offer such little support to the “cause” of the Gazanians. The choice was theirs, and they chose the wrong way. Darfur, Somalia, etc, etc, etc. all still stone age support groups with little interest in moving into 2009. Even the new President Elect of the US, Mr. B. Hussein Obama, having brothers and sisters living in squalor on less than $20 a year while he pulls in over $4 million himself last year, doesn’t offer his kinfolk a fin for an increased standard or living.

Look, one point a lot of you bloggers seem to be missing is that to be Jewish is first a racial thing, not just because they decided to go to a synagogue, as in a religious thing! This may go to some of the lame discussions on cleansing v. genocide. The history lessons were nice – but if you’ll pardon the pun, no one “nose” Jews like other Jews!

So here’s the deal, if you are eating pretty well, finding nice clothes and shelter, consider if it is because of some sand jockey or because of those low-life Americans that have shed blood for good since the inception of the country – ultimately even including those drunken, non-working, red brothers of mine.

The folks that we really want to win are the ones that suck oil out of the ground in the Middle East, right? They are everyone’s friend, right? Look at all the good things Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen – Oh man, can you list all those things we have in our houses and because of their intelligence?

Any you, the winged one, Peace IS possible, once you run out of idealogs that refuse to accept anyone that differs on an opinion.

]]> By: Ekkman http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781622 Ekkman Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:55:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781622 <p>“Violence is the Tool of the Incompetent”</p> <p>I wanted to comment on the title of this blog. If that statement is true then many governments of the world including ours are the most incompetent by killing more innocent babies in the wombs of their mothers than all the wars put together. Violence will have sometimes to protect the innocent within that country, state, place or whatever. It will happen and must to protect innocent life. Many governments of the world are killing our future, the most innocent, babies in the womb. That is the height of crazy killing. When that life is not safe then how can we honestly believe that any life is really safe?</p> “Violence is the Tool of the Incompetent”

I wanted to comment on the title of this blog. If that statement is true then many governments of the world including ours are the most incompetent by killing more innocent babies in the wombs of their mothers than all the wars put together. Violence will have sometimes to protect the innocent within that country, state, place or whatever. It will happen and must to protect innocent life. Many governments of the world are killing our future, the most innocent, babies in the womb. That is the height of crazy killing. When that life is not safe then how can we honestly believe that any life is really safe?

]]> By: crbeal http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781606 crbeal Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:44:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781606 <p>I just read this post I am replying to, and it is one of the stupidest ignorant things ever said. What happened to the U.S. on 9-11 is so much more worse than what has happened to Israel in the past week that there aren’t words to describe how I feel right now. In Israel 4 people died. 4 FUCKING PEOPLE. Are you that much of a complete asshole to even think about saying that? Obviously you are because you did say it. Over 6,000 people died in 9-11, compared to the 4 in Israel. I can’t even comprehend how incredibly stupid that comment is. It baffles the mind. AND AT THE TIME OF 9-11, THE U.S. HADN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG. So please, take your bullshit somewhere else.<br /><em><br /> [Mod Note: FWIW, we don’t insult other commenters in FDL threads and, since you seem to be new to FDL, perhaps it’s best to let the mods determine what comments should and shouldn’t stay in the thread. Thanks.]</em></p> I just read this post I am replying to, and it is one of the stupidest ignorant things ever said. What happened to the U.S. on 9-11 is so much more worse than what has happened to Israel in the past week that there aren’t words to describe how I feel right now. In Israel 4 people died. 4 FUCKING PEOPLE. Are you that much of a complete asshole to even think about saying that? Obviously you are because you did say it. Over 6,000 people died in 9-11, compared to the 4 in Israel. I can’t even comprehend how incredibly stupid that comment is. It baffles the mind. AND AT THE TIME OF 9-11, THE U.S. HADN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG. So please, take your bullshit somewhere else.

[Mod Note: FWIW, we don’t insult other commenters in FDL threads and, since you seem to be new to FDL, perhaps it’s best to let the mods determine what comments should and shouldn’t stay in the thread. Thanks.]

]]> By: crbeal http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781592 crbeal Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:37:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/violence-is-the-tool-of-the-incompetent/#comment-1781592 <p>I really am sick of this “How long will you take people killing your family before you retaliate” BULLSHIT. I doubt any of the people that say this know any real statistics. One, in the eight days prior to the invasion of Gaza, with all this talk about constant bombings into Israel, four people died. Now, I’m not saying that these four people don’t matter, nor am I saying that I don’t wish that they hadn’t been killed, but wake the fuck up, please. Israel, once again in the eight days prior to the invasion, killed 485 Palestinians. The majority of which were civilians. So please don’t say shit about how the Palestinians are the most guilty ones here. Both sides kept firing after the ceasefire, and depending on the source, you will get different answers as to who fired first. Moving on, Israel’s right to exist is a moot point. They exist. It is foolish for either side to deny the existence of the other. That goes for Israel too. If your going to bomb someone, admit they are there and declare war (personally I don’t give a flying fuck what God promised to the Jews, the Palestinians were there first, as in, when Israel was created). And to anyone that refers to the Muslim race as “evil” is a dumb piece of shit. Thats along the same lines of Confederate thinking about blacks. It is just as bad. Now that I’ve bashed Israel long enough, the Palestinians are bastards too. You don’t set up your headquarters in civilian areas so you can bitch when civilians get killed. While I have the greatest sympathy for the dead, Hammas is in my opinion one of the most evil organizations to exist, but there message is valid. I completely condemn 99% of their actions, but their message is OK, the Jews shouldn’t have gotten that land. Thats the same as giving America back to the Indians 1000 years from now. Bull, I know, but they say they have a religious right to it. But enough, I embarrass myself by rambling.</p> I really am sick of this “How long will you take people killing your family before you retaliate” BULLSHIT. I doubt any of the people that say this know any real statistics. One, in the eight days prior to the invasion of Gaza, with all this talk about constant bombings into Israel, four people died. Now, I’m not saying that these four people don’t matter, nor am I saying that I don’t wish that they hadn’t been killed, but wake the fuck up, please. Israel, once again in the eight days prior to the invasion, killed 485 Palestinians. The majority of which were civilians. So please don’t say shit about how the Palestinians are the most guilty ones here. Both sides kept firing after the ceasefire, and depending on the source, you will get different answers as to who fired first. Moving on, Israel’s right to exist is a moot point. They exist. It is foolish for either side to deny the existence of the other. That goes for Israel too. If your going to bomb someone, admit they are there and declare war (personally I don’t give a flying fuck what God promised to the Jews, the Palestinians were there first, as in, when Israel was created). And to anyone that refers to the Muslim race as “evil” is a dumb piece of shit. Thats along the same lines of Confederate thinking about blacks. It is just as bad. Now that I’ve bashed Israel long enough, the Palestinians are bastards too. You don’t set up your headquarters in civilian areas so you can bitch when civilians get killed. While I have the greatest sympathy for the dead, Hammas is in my opinion one of the most evil organizations to exist, but there message is valid. I completely condemn 99% of their actions, but their message is OK, the Jews shouldn’t have gotten that land. Thats the same as giving America back to the Indians 1000 years from now. Bull, I know, but they say they have a religious right to it. But enough, I embarrass myself by rambling.

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