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	<title>Comments on: Gaza Update: Cluster Bombs</title>
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		<title>By: Toronto2009</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781992</link>
		<dc:creator>Toronto2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Further on Hardstop - the “penetrators” are small explosive devices with programmable fuses and a couple of different failsafes designed to make it “unlikely” to leave dud charges behind that civilians can accidently explode later. Whether these or the conventional clusterbomb are actually in use by Israel right not - who knows.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further on Hardstop &#8211; the “penetrators” are small explosive devices with programmable fuses and a couple of different failsafes designed to make it “unlikely” to leave dud charges behind that civilians can accidently explode later. Whether these or the conventional clusterbomb are actually in use by Israel right not &#8211; who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: SidNuker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781985</link>
		<dc:creator>SidNuker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love how you people had to fit Bush into the problems in Gaza. I am sure Bush ordered the Hamas to fire rockets and motar rounds into Israel. Israel doesn’t need the US to defend its boarders, or it people. Bush had nothing to do with this, if he had the 52’s would in the in the air and the strip would have been stripped. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seems to me Israel has had enough and is dealing with the Hama’s in the only way they will understand. These people have been at war since the conception on war. No one that includes you whiney milk fed internet tree huggers! will change that. No president or ruler will ever change that, they will have to stop it themselves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how you people had to fit Bush into the problems in Gaza. I am sure Bush ordered the Hamas to fire rockets and motar rounds into Israel. Israel doesn’t need the US to defend its boarders, or it people. Bush had nothing to do with this, if he had the 52’s would in the in the air and the strip would have been stripped. </p>
<p>Seems to me Israel has had enough and is dealing with the Hama’s in the only way they will understand. These people have been at war since the conception on war. No one that includes you whiney milk fed internet tree huggers! will change that. No president or ruler will ever change that, they will have to stop it themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: laury001</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781947</link>
		<dc:creator>laury001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For 8 years, Hamas has been shelling and rocketing southern Israel.  Enough is enough.  Hamas is a disaster for the Palestinians, and a thorn in the side of Egypt.&lt;br /&gt;
Cluster bombs are designed to prevent Hamas terrorists from firing those rockets.  Any other country faced with such agression for 8 years would probably carpet bomb the whole Gaza strip.  Instead, Israel risks it’s soldiers lives to stop the rocket fire while minimizing as best it can the civilian casualties.  However, Hamas bares full responsibility for the tragedy that now befalls Gaza.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If any of you who attack Israel are really interested in being open minded and seeing the other side for once, check out:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/flash/video/2673/2673.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/flas...../2673.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 8 years, Hamas has been shelling and rocketing southern Israel.  Enough is enough.  Hamas is a disaster for the Palestinians, and a thorn in the side of Egypt.<br />
Cluster bombs are designed to prevent Hamas terrorists from firing those rockets.  Any other country faced with such agression for 8 years would probably carpet bomb the whole Gaza strip.  Instead, Israel risks it’s soldiers lives to stop the rocket fire while minimizing as best it can the civilian casualties.  However, Hamas bares full responsibility for the tragedy that now befalls Gaza.</p>
<p>If any of you who attack Israel are really interested in being open minded and seeing the other side for once, check out:<br /><a href="http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/flash/video/2673/2673.html" rel="nofollow">http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/flas&#8230;../2673.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: cocoajohn1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781935</link>
		<dc:creator>cocoajohn1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It amazes me that there are thousands protesting Israel’s self-defense, but nobody protested Hamas’ rocketing of Israel. What a joke the UN is as well. Israel has every right to counter what has already been an act of war by Hamas, and if those “Palestinians” had an ounce of courage they would stop hiding behind their civilians…then the civilians would not be getting killed. So, they only have themselves to blame. By the by…there is no such thing as a palestinian….these people are merely displaced Jordanians from the early Arab-Israeli wars….even their own countries do not want them back….why should Israel be forced to make room for them?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me that there are thousands protesting Israel’s self-defense, but nobody protested Hamas’ rocketing of Israel. What a joke the UN is as well. Israel has every right to counter what has already been an act of war by Hamas, and if those “Palestinians” had an ounce of courage they would stop hiding behind their civilians…then the civilians would not be getting killed. So, they only have themselves to blame. By the by…there is no such thing as a palestinian….these people are merely displaced Jordanians from the early Arab-Israeli wars….even their own countries do not want them back….why should Israel be forced to make room for them?</p>
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		<title>By: michaelmel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781570</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry “pfrmgfo”, too many brainwashed people out there. They are blaming the Jew’s and some of these @#%*’s are pointing fingers at the US.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This sums it up:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“If the Arabs put down their weapons today,&lt;br /&gt;
there would be no more violence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry “pfrmgfo”, too many brainwashed people out there. They are blaming the Jew’s and some of these @#%*’s are pointing fingers at the US.</p>
<p>This sums it up:</p>
<p>“If the Arabs put down their weapons today,<br />
there would be no more violence.</p>
<p>If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: ofrmgfo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781565</link>
		<dc:creator>ofrmgfo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its always nice when someone who either knows next to nothing about munitions, or just chooses to lie manages to get published and so distort the views of the easily amused.&lt;br /&gt;
What about what the *&amp;^% Islamists have been doing to Israel since it’s inception.  Personally, I don’t know if the Israelis are are shooting cluster shells or dropping cluster bombs, and frankly I don’t care. Think of all the rockets fired into Israel with no particular target, just people.&lt;br /&gt;
Think of the supporters of Hamas and Hezbollah and those organization publicly announcing time and again that they will not rest until Israel and the Jews are wiped from the face of the earth.&lt;br /&gt;
You can only get slapped so many times before you have to slap back or die. Lets show a little compassion to the real victims in Israel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its always nice when someone who either knows next to nothing about munitions, or just chooses to lie manages to get published and so distort the views of the easily amused.<br />
What about what the *&amp;^% Islamists have been doing to Israel since it’s inception.  Personally, I don’t know if the Israelis are are shooting cluster shells or dropping cluster bombs, and frankly I don’t care. Think of all the rockets fired into Israel with no particular target, just people.<br />
Think of the supporters of Hamas and Hezbollah and those organization publicly announcing time and again that they will not rest until Israel and the Jews are wiped from the face of the earth.<br />
You can only get slapped so many times before you have to slap back or die. Lets show a little compassion to the real victims in Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781552</link>
		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The tragic pictures I found at your links are documentation for war crimes.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With Bush paralyzing the UN with his dictatorial veto, what can we do?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The UN charter needs to be amended so a 3/4 vote by the entire assembly can over-ride any veto.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The sane people of the world must regain the upper hand in world justice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tragic pictures I found at your links are documentation for war crimes.  </p>
<p>With Bush paralyzing the UN with his dictatorial veto, what can we do?</p>
<p>The UN charter needs to be amended so a 3/4 vote by the entire assembly can over-ride any veto.</p>
<p>The sane people of the world must regain the upper hand in world justice.</p>
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		<title>By: MMRmass</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781483</link>
		<dc:creator>MMRmass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://palestinian.ning.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://palestinian.ning.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://palestinian.ning.com/fo.....-the-story&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Contemporary coverage.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://palestinian.ning.com/" rel="nofollow">http://palestinian.ning.com/</a><br /><a href="http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story" rel="nofollow">http://palestinian.ning.com/fo&#8230;..-the-story</a></p>
<p>Contemporary coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: lokywoky</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781368</link>
		<dc:creator>lokywoky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I agree with you on the issue of the video and credibility for those posting it, the issue of who is bombing whom is not at issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hamas has shot rockets at Israel, killing a few (less than 10) people and doing some minor damage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At this point the death toll in Gaza is reaching 470 or more and wounded over 2000.  This stuff is being reported with a great deal of self-satisfaction by the Israeli government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And to lay this all at the feet of Hamas is disingenuous at best.  Israel has a long history of provacative attacks and incursions into the Palestinian territories, and then when Hamas (or Fatah or the PLO for that matter) retaliate, the cry goes up “we have a right to defend ourselves”.  And the response is always disproportionate - as it is this time.  A few to a dozen Israelis, mostly soldiers die and are wounded.  Hundreds of Palestinians die and thousands are wounded - and a very high percentage of them are children.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with you on the issue of the video and credibility for those posting it, the issue of who is bombing whom is not at issue.</p>
<p>Hamas has shot rockets at Israel, killing a few (less than 10) people and doing some minor damage.</p>
<p>At this point the death toll in Gaza is reaching 470 or more and wounded over 2000.  This stuff is being reported with a great deal of self-satisfaction by the Israeli government.</p>
<p>And to lay this all at the feet of Hamas is disingenuous at best.  Israel has a long history of provacative attacks and incursions into the Palestinian territories, and then when Hamas (or Fatah or the PLO for that matter) retaliate, the cry goes up “we have a right to defend ourselves”.  And the response is always disproportionate &#8211; as it is this time.  A few to a dozen Israelis, mostly soldiers die and are wounded.  Hundreds of Palestinians die and thousands are wounded &#8211; and a very high percentage of them are children.</p>
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		<title>By: Skilly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/04/gaza-update-cluster-bombs/#comment-1781354</link>
		<dc:creator>Skilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What does that do to credibility of persons “reporting” these videos? We have seen numerous times when Video and Still photos are edited by some to make a case for israeli atrocities and they continue to be shown to be untrue or at least not what they are represented to be. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess, my series of posts is trying to say. Let’s not jump to hasty conclusions, about who is bombing whom. I do agree to that a cease fire is in order.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does that do to credibility of persons “reporting” these videos? We have seen numerous times when Video and Still photos are edited by some to make a case for israeli atrocities and they continue to be shown to be untrue or at least not what they are represented to be. </p>
<p>I guess, my series of posts is trying to say. Let’s not jump to hasty conclusions, about who is bombing whom. I do agree to that a cease fire is in order.</p>
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